How Stephen's delaying tactic CeeDee contract cost Cowboys

[CWR]

Nobody's giving the FO an 'Out', just explaining that the contractual issues aren't as binary as ALL being Jones' fault.....though there is a serious case to make that players/agents (especially the elite) can manipulate the situation,knowing that we have Jerry (who'll pay his own) and Stephen (who'll baulk at the figure).
The situation's exacerbated as we never trade and follow the same ole format.

I'm aware it takes both parties to bargain in good faith. I also think he makes a good point about top end wrs and contracts.

Where we differ is I don't believe we've made an earnest effort in moving this along. It's always been in their playbook to use the Cowboys pr machine to sway public opinion and put pressure on players/agents. We've seen NONE of that to this point.

 

[jterrell]

This holds true for every top end contract.
Salary cup goes one direction 99% of the time.
In that world the best time to buy is always 1 day ago and then after that, now.
Tomorrow is always the worst-case scenario.

The only way tomorrow is better is if the player's value drops. Which is rather lose-lose at best.

It feels very much like Stephen has decided they are at an inflection point. Burn it all down and go cheap and young or win it all with whats already in place.
And perhaps even both.
If they do win it all everyone's price goes up.
I could legitimately see them win it all but STILL burn it down.

 

[Vtwin]

no its not. initial contract negotiations the year before was for 4, 5 years and Dak was asking for 28, stephen wanted to pay around 25-26....and he didn't sign him. then franchised him and paid it all back and then he cornered himself with not having an option and where the team was to sign him to a 4 year contract. Dak could have just decided not to resign at all. its the market. and that year, right before Dak, Watson signed for 40M. your opinion of what he is worth is totally irrelevant to QB market and contract values.

This is ridiculous. Dak turned down 32/5 before he turned down the 35/5 I mentioned above. Dak had a handshake agreement in place and changed his mind.

Dak, knowing the market would only go higher, chose to play on the tag and then played hardball for a shorter deal rather than the standard 5 year deal.

Your revision of the factual history is by the the strangest I've seen yet.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is ridiculous. Dak turned down 32/5 before he turned down the 35/5 I mentioned above. Dak had a handshake agreement in place and changed his mind.

Dak, knowing the market would only go higher, chose to play on the tag and then played hardball for a shorter deal rather than the standard 5 year deal.

Your revision of the factual history is by the the strangest I've seen yet.

What hand shake agreement? Jerry had made handshake agreements before and backed out and spun.

Now you are fabricating stories.

 

[Vtwin]

What hand shake agreement? Jerry had made handshake agreements before and backed out and spun.

Now you are fabricating stories.

Nope. Reported and discussed many many times.

Interesting how you only focus on the least important detail of my response and ignore the meat and potatoes which refute your revised account of history.

 

[Momanpr100]

It's not a tactic.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Nope. Reported and discussed many many times.

Interesting how you only focus on the least important detail of my response and ignore the meat and potatoes which refute your revised account of history.

Where was this handshake reported?

Then Dak had agreed and wanted a deal for 26M a year. Stephen wouldn't go past his 24M deal. And he didn't give a contract. It was reported and discussed many many times. Stephen screwed up

BTW, Dak didn't choose to play on the tag. When Stephen wouldn't budge. And he left himself no other option, they tagged him. Dak didn't rag himself. Based on the NFL CBA he had no choice but to play under the tag.

And you complain about Dak playing hardball...and never mention Stephen playing hardball.

It's called negotiations. There are no obligations unless it's signed.

 

[Bagman]

While CeeDee goes over the middle Jerry sips Johnnie Walker Blue. CeeDee is a top NFL receiver. His bad fortune is to play for the Dallas Cowboys whose senile owner doesn’t want to pay him like one. Yes, it’s much easier to bash the inebriated guy who doesn’t do anything for the team’s ultimate success.

Your reply still doesn't help the argument. Both sides have to agree. Maybe the FO wanted to wait, maybe Lamb's agent wanted to wait.

 

[Vtwin]

Where was this handshake reported?

Then Dak had agreed and wanted a deal for 26M a year. Stephen wouldn't go past his 24M deal. And he didn't give a contract. It was reported and discussed many many times. Stephen screwed up

BTW, Dak didn't choose to play on the tag. When Stephen wouldn't budge. And he left himself no other option, they tagged him. Dak didn't rag himself. Based on the NFL CBA he had no choice but to play under the tag.

And you complain about Dak playing hardball...and never mention Stephen playing hardball.

It's called negotiations. There are no obligations unless it's signed.

Here.

Absolutely ridiculous. Dak turned down 32. He never "agreed" to 26. That's just crazy.

The rest of your response is just arguing semantics. Dak did choose to play on the tag rather than accept the offer that was made. The Cowboys chose to tag him rather than meet his demands. I didn't "complain" about anything. I simply straightened you out on the facts.

Clearly you are upset so I'll back away slowly. Calm down friend. There's no reason to get so emotional. It's going to be ok.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Here.

Absolutely ridiculous. Dak turned down 32. He never "agreed" to 26. That's just crazy.

The rest of your response is just arguing semantics. Dak did choose to play on the tag rather than accept the offer that was made. The Cowboys chose to tag him rather than meet his demands. I didn't "complain" about anything. I simply straightened you out on the facts.

Clearly you are upset so I'll back away slowly. Calm down friend. There's no reason to get so emotional. It's going to be ok.

initial discussions in 2019 was not at those numbers. tagged in 20 and it was 31 M. Dak was asking for 26, or 28 in 2019 based on reports. and he and Stephen were off by about 2M and stephen wouldn't budge.
then in 2021, price went through the roof for all QBs. Watson got 40M and then Dak.

and upset about what? do I give a craap about bunch of millionaire's fighting over money!!! no skin off my back, seems you care more about it that I do...btw, what's emotional about anything we said? you are trying way too hard my friend. just way too hard.
seemingly your Dak emotions tend to take over and you tend to get consumed in non sense that's irrelevant.

 

[Vtwin]

initial discussions in 2019 was not at those numbers. tagged in 20 and it was 31 M. Dak was asking for 26, or 28 in 2019 based on reports. and he and Stephen were off by about 2M and stephen wouldn't budge.
then in 2021, price went through the roof for all QBs. Watson got 40M and then Dak.

and upset about what? do I give a craap about bunch of millionaire's fighting over money!!! no skin off my back, seems you care more about it that I do...btw, what's emotional about anything we said? you are trying way too hard my friend. just way too hard.
seemingly your Dak emotions tend to take over and you tend to get consumed in non sense that's irrelevant.

None of that is true regarding Dak's ask. None of it.

You brought up the topic in this thread and you regularly harp on this topic in other threads. Clearly you "give a crap" and get emotional over it.

I just entered to correct your factual errors. Didn't mean to cause you to have a hissy fit. I should have known better. You always have been easily triggered and I should have realized that and just left those errors go. Some don't do well with the uncomfortable truths. They prefer the bubble of comfortable delusion. Calm down and carry on. It's going to be ok.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No ....... I understand who makes the final decision on draft day ...... and that is Jerry.

And their is no accountability with Jerry.

All owners have final say. Welcome to western capitalism.

 

[zrinkill]

All owners have final say. Welcome to western capitalism.

Come on Fuzzy ........ we both know that all other owners let the GM have final say and if he does a poor job they fire him and get someone else.

That does not happen in Dallas because they are the same person ...... and neither knows how to do their job where it involves football.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Come on Fuzzy ........ we both know that all other owners let the GM have final say and if he does a poor job they fire him and get someone else.

That does not happen in Dallas because they are the same person ...... and neither knows how to do their job where it involves football.

Still fixating on job titles. If Jerry would change his title to CEO like a lot of owners and gave McClay the GM title they would run like the Giants, Rams, Eagles, and many other NFL clubs.

Every club has an owner with 'final say.' None of them can be fired. There can be a time period where they cede or share power but I do not think you understand how that works.

The way executive power works in the NFL is by having your name on a signature card turned into the league office each year allowing you to submit paperwork to the league. The owner fills out the card and is on by default. Just because an owner allows the GM to have their name on said card does not mean the owner takes their name off and cuts themselves off.

Jerry had his name on the card when Jimmy was here too.

 

[Dools29]

We are so handicapped by Stephen I don’t think it matters much.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

None of that is true regarding Dak's ask. None of it.

You brought up the topic in this thread and you regularly harp on this topic in other threads. Clearly you "give a crap" and get emotional over it.

I just entered to correct your factual errors. Didn't mean to cause you to have a hissy fit. I should have known better. You always have been easily triggered and I should have realized that and just left those errors go. Some don't do well with the uncomfortable truths. They prefer the bubble of comfortable delusion. Calm down and carry on. It's going to be ok.

relax.... R E L A X.... stop screaming. you are going to give yourself a heart attack. not good for your health

I responded to a comment. then I responded to responses to my comment. now its something I regularly harp on. wow. talk about reaching and stretching. you desparetley trying for something and its not looking good.

seemingly you give more crap about it given you continue to engage in the conversation.

all of what I said is true. you want to spin it to be Dak's fault because you are clearly obsessed about Dak. then that's your choice. why try to disguise it. just come out with it.

now, go sit down. stop jumping up and down. stop stumping. get a beer. take a sip. two deep breaths....now think calm waters. cool waters. no need to stress yourself. its not worth it. its just entertainment. giving yourself a heart attack over something totally irrelevant. its not worth it.

 

[Hennessy_King]

No I don’t think he would have taken it. It doesn’t make sense to take it. Same reason basically other elite player signs early

So why do so many other elite players take deals early then? Only our players are "smart" enough to wait? lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

@Vtwin you just tagged me in a thread and just letting you know I’m banned from that thread and that message you quoted did not say what you accused me of saying.

 

[Vtwin]

@Vtwin you just tagged me in a thread and just letting you know I’m banned from that thread and that message you quoted did not say what you accused me of saying.

Fair enough. We'll just let it go and not cross threads. If you want to refresh your memory you can use those little arrows to backtrack through the exchange to see the contradiction I pointed out.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Fair enough. We'll just let it go and not cross threads. If you want to refresh your memory you can use those little arrows to backtrack through the exchange to see the contradiction I pointed out.

You accused me or saying it was an entirely an individual stat and I never said that. I said passing yards is a quarterback stat. Quarterbacks are gauged on how many passing yards and touchdowns they throw.