How Stephen's delaying tactic CeeDee contract cost Cowboys

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As @JBS mentioned (and you liked) the decision's not made in isolation. CeeDee as with ALL top players/agents could predict the raise in CAP and would wait. The other factor is that we do restructure the CAP, but we're ALWAYS overpaying for last year(s) overpayment.

For CeeDee in particular, he and agent saw how dysfunctional our Offense was without elite WR's......it's not hard to hold on, KNOWING YOU'RE NEEDED.....he wasnt taking a cheap early deal, especially when players know JERRY LIKES (AND PAYS) HIS OWN.

(CAP's for effect).
So you think he and his agent would have turned down an offer last season that would have made him the highest-paid WR $31M. If that is true, it is like saying THEY KNEW the market would bump the positional value by $4M and I'm not sure about that because I don't think anyone saw Jefferson getting $35M........$31M, $32M yes but not $35M.
 

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As stated earlier, I'm certainly no expert but it appears Stephen overplayed his hand on this one.
You're not taking into account:
a) That the Jones' ripped up Dak's contract (which i'm convinced they were ready to give this year).
b) The unexpected CAP increase for this season.
c) Jefferson. A fabulous scenario for both Receivers, two elite receivers from the same draft able to delay/manipulate the market. If there was no Jefferson, CeeDee would of accepted 'next-man-up' money.

This isnt excusing the Jones, but again it's not just them.......if anything it's Jerry's approach that the top players KNOW he's going to pay as he 'likes his own', if there's a chance of being traded, there maybe more incentive for the player to sign earlier.
 

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I agree with this......you are right, it is not always their fault but they have a long history/pattern of doing business a certain way.
Agree.....its the WAY we do business ( 'liking our own', 'leaving to last minute', not trading ANY elite players). Players feel a security and can 'play' the Jones.

So you think he and his agent would have turned down an offer last season that would have made him the highest-paid WR $31M. If that is true, it is like saying THEY KNEW the market would bump the positional value by $4M and I'm not sure about that because I don't think anyone saw Jefferson getting $35M........$31M, $32M yes but not $35M.
Yes, I believe he would of turned it down, based on ^^^^^^. His agent could see the Jefferson comparison escalating the top end WR market/Jones MO/Dak's need and Cowboys lack of a viable no.2 WR. There's not much risk that we wont pay.....even with Dak, he only played 5 games the season before we gave in to his contract demands.

Players/Agents just have the Jones' number......it's tantamount to them playing poker when they can see Jerry/Stephen's hand.
 

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As @JBS mentioned (and you liked) the decision's not made in isolation. CeeDee as with ALL top players/agents could predict the raise in CAP and would wait. The other factor is that we do restructure the CAP, but we're ALWAYS overpaying for last year(s) overpayment.

For CeeDee in particular, he and agent saw how dysfunctional our Offense was without elite WR's......it's not hard to hold on, KNOWING YOU'RE NEEDED.....he wasnt taking a cheap early deal, especially when players know JERRY LIKES (AND PAYS) HIS OWN.

(CAP's for effect).
Is it an extension or a completely new contract? If it's an extension, it doesn't take effect until the original contract is fulfilled (after the fifth-year option). If it's a completely new contract, the original contract is terminated and his new salary starts this coming season. Void the fifth-year option money. So it's calculated differently. I'm just asking which is it?
 

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Is it an extension or a completely new contract? If it's an extension, it doesn't take effect until the original contract is fulfilled (after the fifth-year option). If it's a completely new contract, the original contract is terminated and his new salary starts this coming season. Void the fifth-year option money. So it's calculated differently. I'm just asking which is it?
The issue's that both parties could of negotiated ,either, extension or additional years last year.
 

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So Dak/France would of signed early, especially after a mediocre 2019......not happening.....especially as France was moving away from CAA and possibly had a personal incentive to get the signing done when he was at Athlete's First.

Again i'm not supporting the Jones', but in these cases it's not all on them.
at the time they were negotiating. and there was a a 2-3M/ year difference in the ask vs. give. and Stephen played hardball. great for him. then he franchised him and paid all of it back in one season due to franchise tag. then cornered himself and gave in to Dak because they had no alternative in place. and ended up at 40M.

Stephen has sucked at this. he could have redone CD's contract last year. didn't. waited until this year. and not even early on with signing, so now the price is around 35M/year.... instead of being 28M last year or 32M earlier in the year. if CD has a great year, price may go up to 37M. stephen is an idiot.
 

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This is ridiculous. Dak turned down 35/5.
no its not. initial contract negotiations the year before was for 4, 5 years and Dak was asking for 28, stephen wanted to pay around 25-26....and he didn't sign him. then franchised him and paid it all back and then he cornered himself with not having an option and where the team was to sign him to a 4 year contract. Dak could have just decided not to resign at all. its the market. and that year, right before Dak, Watson signed for 40M. your opinion of what he is worth is totally irrelevant to QB market and contract values.
 

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IMO the time for deals to occur/heat up will be soon right as training camp rolls around.
Diggs got extended on July 25. Steele was extended on Sept. 3rd.
Front office knew Martin wanted an extension prior to mini camp but didn't cave till mid TC

I think owners/GMs talk to one another. Don't think the Jones duo was surprised by Jeffersons deal. Nor do I think CDL/his agent weren't expecting it as I'm sure agents talk too among one another depending on who they work for.

Unless there is someone blinking first, like SJ making that call to Demarcus Lawrence, it seems the front office just waits till when "football is back" when making deals.
 

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This is a legit question actually........but Stephen has clearly said the Cowboys are not market setters. An offer making Cee Dee the highest paid at $31M last season would have been just that. Hell, even Jerry recently said something about waiting for more leaves to fall. Well........they fell and guess what (LOL).
 

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The problem with waiting for all the leaves to fall is that they tend to hide all the dog poo on the yard… Jerry and Jr now keep stepping on every single one of them.
 

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Give me a break. A ton of players get contracts every year. They've already admitted to not negotiating with Dak. We've already watched them completely foul it up with 2 years of tags only to sign him to top end money on a shorter deal anyway.

I don't believe for a second they made a legitimate offer to CD. We'd hear numbers if that happen. Do you actually believe their PR machine wouldn't be working overtime to demonstrate how gracious they have been?

Are we not watching the same FO operate year end and year out?
You really have no clue what I said lolol
 

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None of us would....but some of of us think we could, because it's so easy.
Wasnt the argument at all. We dont pretend we could do the job. He does.

With your experience I bet money you could do a better job than some of the coaches they have had over the years lol
 

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Wasnt the argument at all. We dont pretend we could do the job. He does.

With your experience I bet money you could do a better job than some of the coaches they have had over the years lol
Lol...I've met many of those coaches over the years. Even the ones we think our bad, are very knowledgeable....it takes players to make a coach. I do admit, that some coaches get cocky and don't want to change....those are the ones that need to set out to pasture.
 

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The jonses have demonstrated they don't care to save a few million. They seem to only care about signing a guy early if they think they are getting a really good deal, otherwise they have been waiting for the last second only to dish out a max contract.
 

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He has an engineering degree.

He wouldnt have a job in any other FO in football.
Chemical engineering degree. It would not be surprising if Stephen Jones had difficulty creating something from an erector set. An educational summary of the National Football League's Dallas Cowboys front office top executives from Day 1:
  • Bachelor of Science in Business Administration/Masters in Fine Arts - Jerry Jones (University of Arkansas)
  • Bachelor of Science in Chemical Engineering - Stephen Jones (University of Arkansas)
  • Bachelor of Science in Human Biology - Charlotte Jones Anderson (Stanford University)
  • Bachelor of Arts in Political Science/Law Degree - Jerry Jones Jr.* (Georgetown University & Southern Methodist University)
* Was not gifted an NFL executive position until 1996

Above is a sum total of zero work or educational experience in sports management at both the professional or collegiate level on day one. Every bit of knowledge and experience has been accumulated through trial-and-error. Early, less-than-a-decade NFL success is directly attributable to the... assistance... of Jimmy Johnson. Nearly three decades of overseeing the construction of coaches and rosters, incapable of advancing beyond the divisional playoff round, is understandable.

Saying 500 coaches could win with the team *he* helped assemble was once-in-a-lifetime bravado. Jones and his DNA Kids should be grateful they achieved so much, so early on the NFL field, while having no applicable personal individual resource to based it upon.

I take that back. The Mad Genius and DNA Kid #1 did play college football. That should count.

/early morning sarcastic rant
 
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This time last year, Tyree Hill was the highest-paid WR at $30M in August 2023. Around the same time, Stephen Jones could have made CeeDee the highest at $31M and saved $4-5M from what he is now asking ($35M ). This is a classic example of how Stephen's delaying tactic cost the Cowboys more money.











There are pros and cons to everything, the cowboys like waiting until time is an issue and it forces each side to act. If the money difference was a big issue they wouldn't do it this way.
 

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You really have no clue what I said lolol
I made an example with Dak and prior negotiations because it's simply how they handle things. You want to give this FO an out and they don't deserve it. Past that, articulate yourself better and comprehension will follow.
 

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I made an example with Dak and prior negotiations because it's simply how they handle things. You want to give this FO an out and they don't deserve it. Past that, articulate yourself better and comprehension will follow.
Nobody's giving the FO an 'Out', just explaining that the contractual issues aren't as binary as ALL being Jones' fault.....though there is a serious case to make that players/agents (especially the elite) can manipulate the situation,knowing that we have Jerry (who'll pay his own) and Stephen (who'll baulk at the figure).
The situation's exacerbated as we never trade and follow the same ole format.
 

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i am not really sure if the jones intend to sign cd lamb or dak either one looks like they let both of them walk
 
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