How the players will look at Dak next year, knowing he will choke

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How did the defense choke?
Dak threw a pick six, threw another interception at his own twelve giving the Packers an easy score, and missed a touchdown pass to Tolbert.
The Cowboys were down by 27 points in the second quarter- 14 of which Dak gave to the Packers and he provided NONE for the Cowboys. And he threw two more passes that should have been interceptions but were dropped.
These are facts.
I understand the strain that puts on the defense, but the Packers already scored 2 tds even before that, get a stop, force a field goal anything. It then became a 17 point game and the Cowboys defense couldn't get a stop, there were blown coverages all over the 2nd half. The defense was pitiful, Dak was pitiful it was all around a disaster. Its puzzling how even the most casual fan can't grasp that. I would suggest you go rewatch the game and pay attention to the defense.
 

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I understand the strain that puts on the defense, but the Packers already scored 2 tds even before that, get a stop, force a field goal anything. It then became a 17 point game and the Cowboys defense couldn't get a stop, there were blown coverages all over the 2nd half. The defense was pitiful, Dak was pitiful it was all around a disaster. Its puzzling how even the most casual fan can't grasp that. I would suggest you go rewatch the game and pay attention to the defense.
They could have scored 70 points on that defense if they wanted to.
 

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IDK if you noticed but the whole team other than like Ferg and a few other players choked vs the Packers. Nobody was good. From CeeDee drops to Micah going MIA. Matter of fact the whole defense went MIA. But yes just blame Dak? And yes Dak was bad but it wasn't just him.
Totally, its so odd how some can't see the whole team failed. Unless I missed Dak playing as a DB, LB, and on the dline? Haha
 

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They could have scored 70 points on that defense if they wanted to.
How some just assume that the defense would have been the 85 Bears for the rest of the game had Dak not turned the ball over. When even against the Seahawks they were allowing Seattle to drive the ball up and down the field on them and scored on just about every drive. Yet some try to still this notion of the defense only struggling when our offense goes 3 and out constantly or when Dak turns the ball over.

Dak played a horrible game and didn't deliver like he was suppose to But that doesn't mean the defense has the right to fault Dak for their own poor play in this loss. Or try to make it seem like they are absolved from giving up 41 points just because Dak had a bad game. In fact the Cowboys defense has had just as many no shows or bad games in the playoffs as Dak has had Packers 2016, Rams by allowing them to get over 200 rushing yards, And the most recent game against the Packers. So should this they'll look at themselves knowing they will either allow themselves to get ran all over and will give up a ton of points when playoff time comes around?
 

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I understand the strain that puts on the defense, but the Packers already scored 2 tds even before that, get a stop, force a field goal anything. It then became a 17 point game and the Cowboys defense couldn't get a stop, there were blown coverages all over the 2nd half. The defense was pitiful, Dak was pitiful it was all around a disaster. Its puzzling how even the most casual fan can't grasp that. I would suggest you go rewatch the game and pay attention to the defense.
It was 7-0 when Dak threw his first int at the 12 yd line, giving the Packers an easy score to make it 14-0. The defense wasn't getting any help from the offense.
Then after Love threw another td pass to make it 20-0, Dak throws his pick six.
It's 27-0 and the defense is on the field constantly and Dak spotted the Packers 14 of those points.
While getting no points from the supposed top offense in the NFL.
 

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Such a well thought out well written and grammatically written post. Feel like I’m in elementary. Lol

Do these people not realize we see right thru their agendas here. So sad!!

The Avatar says it all:)
You're the ONE with the Agenda and it's not about wanting the Best for the Star.
Drop your so-called neutrality and let your Dak-loving shine man!!!
It's a free country no one is going to bite you, man!
 

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I imagine a lot of side-eye at Dak, a lot of s******ing behind his back, that he can't win the big game. Dak has lost the locker room...
 

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they noticed how he choked out in the first part of the game. The players knew it was over.
Where was our STUD QB?
Why didn't 7-0 become 7-7?
Why didn't 21-0 become 21-14?
Yep after the pick 6, the defense just gave up as they have seen and remembered the Niner playoff losses!
 

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Actually Diggs said the opposite
Diggs showed mucho respect for # 4 in training camp......... :muttley:
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And the wimp didn't say a word.................not a single word!
 

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The joke is over, and the truth has come to light.
The Cowboys players will know from day one of training camp that Dak will choke every time they play a team that won't lay down for them. They will know that their playoff hopes will end when they face any team that punches back.
Which might be what they want.
The players these days make so much money that the post season is just an intrusion on their offseason plans, and doesn't pay as much as the regular season games. Only those who can capitalize in the endorsement deals and commercials actually benefit from the post season.
No matter what they say, Dak is not a leader, except at the bank.
And that will lead to uninspired play, and eventually the wheels not only come off, but will be shattered beyond repair.
Most players dont really care that much these days, its all about "getting that bag".

CD Lamb wants to be the highest paid WR in the league, winning playoff games takes a back seat to that. I mean, cool if it happens, but its not the goal.
 

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Absolutely not. Every player must strive to be better.
However, one player was the catalyst that helped the Packers the most, and that is obvious.
As a person, Dak seems like a great guy, but that doesn't excuse his failures that repeatedly have ended the Cowboys seasons.
The Cowboys KNOW they would be a better team without Dak, and now that is indisputable.
It will haunt them going forward, knowing how the season will end.
How do you pretend to KNOW what the Cowboys are thinking? Who’d you talk to?
 

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I think it was Dez that discussed a training camp in Daks second season.. when the CBs were told to stop intercepting Dak as it wasn't giving him confidence. If a CB intercepted then he would be dragged. At the time, go routes weren't practised either as Dak wasn't able to hit them.. so they only practised out routes, crossing and drag routes. This was sold to the media/fans as making the play book "more Dak friendly" There was also the story from Cooper who was discussing a goal line training drill... simple fade to the corner. Dak was asked to hit the spot and work on timing with receivers.. apparently it was suggested that Dak had to 'hit' five with each receiver before they could pack up/go inside.. Cooper was the first receiver up.. apparently took over 15 attempts and the coaches abandoned the drill.

Both Dez and Cooper didn't survive the seasons that these training incidents supposedly occurred.
 

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I think the defensive players do take accountability.. but they are an undersized unit. They are literally BUILT to compliment our offence. They are designed as pass defence.. to rush the QB and create turnovers. They are designed to be a bend and not break. As a % of our salary cap.. they make less than league average. We do not spend on Defence in either the cap or draft.

SO no the defence should not get a free pass.. they didn't get the job done. BUT there are legitimate arguments you can make for plays, moments and situations. No point hating on Bell because he can't stop a powering RB going up the guts on the goal line. Bell didn't 'spud' it up.. he just isn't big enough or good enough to play that role or position.

However you look at the offence and what offences in general need:
- Healthy starters - check. We had no one of significance missing
- Good Oline - Check. They create a few little run plays earlier, kept the pocket mostly clean and only gave up one sack 'on them' - despite us running 60+ passing plays.
- Good Run game - Check. The run game actually started ok, we have solid players.. but we had to go away from it after Daks collapse.
- Strong TEs/check downs - Check. Ferg came to play.
- Solid scheme - Check. Might be old school but MM is running a SB level scheme. We had hi/lo concepts, PA. Probably lacking presnap motion and disguise.
- Solid WR1 - Check. CeeDee potentially top 3 WR in the whole league
- Solid WR2/3 - Check. Cook, Gallup, Tolbert all shown they can catch, deep balls, solid route runners.
- Solid QB - Check (??). We have a a top 5 paid QB who believes he is elite.

So the offence unit has EVERYTHING it needs to be dominant. There are no gaps. None. It should not matter what the defence does.. this offence is designed to score and score big. They were also going up against a weak GB secondary.. this is a defence that has conceded plenty of points to just about everybody.

I am sick of explaining how football works to some.. but this is how our team is set up. It is set up to be dominant on the offence, tidy on special teams and then leverage that to 'cover' our lack of run defence, safeties, linebackers and a heap more.

I would also argue that if you look at the offensive performance against Green Bay.. not every aspect failed. MM can get some of the blame, his play calling and route tree are limited. You can't blame the Oline.. they actually rated as 'elite'. The run game never even got a chance. The tape shows the WRs had opportunities, were running their routes well.

The bit that failed was Dak. Whether you like it or not, the QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Dak is 80% responsible for the loss. If Dak plays better, then we win that game easily without changing anything else. Dak hits his throws in that first series, levels up the game.. doesn't give away the first INT.. then we go ahead.. doesn't give up the pick 6 then we are 2 scores in front and the pass rush goes to work against a young and panicking QB and suddenly the game looks very very different. They get a sack or two, maybe an INT.. the crowd gets into it. Very different game.

Dak blew it. I don't know how this is not more obvious to some. He literally singlehandedly cost us the game. He was historically bad. The worst quarter of QB play in a playoff in 40+ years. The highest paid guy, the most important position in sports and he not just didn't excel but but actively hurt our team.. he gave up 14 points.. in one half. I really just can not believe there are some still defending this guy.

If Cousins or Mayfield or Goff et al put in a performance like this.. there wouldn't be a single defender out there. Dak has this cult like following that I just don't understand. He has done nothing to deserve it. Absolutely nothing. At All. Ever.
This is laughable….you say if Dak plays better then we win that game easily. You have no way of knowing that; especially since the defense let GB’s offense run up and down the field and score at will.
 

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Yet Goff had already been to a Super Bowl.
Doesn't say much for the football knowledge of those who trashed him in favor of Dak.

Goff has been to a Superbowl, absolutely true. Why didn't he win it?

With that said, Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles have won one Superbowl apiece. Aaron Rodgers has won a Superbowl. According to your logic, Dilpher and Foles are on the same level as Rodgers, correct?

Kaepernick has led his team to a Superbowl. Dan Marino has led his team to a Superbowl. According to your logic, it's safe to say that Kaepernick was on the same level as Marino?

Kaepernick also led his team to a Superbowl, while other special quarterbacks like Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Dan Fouts, etc haven't led their team to a Superbowl. Surely according to your logic, Kaepernick was much better than those quarterbacks.....

One last one for you.... Jimmy Garoppolo is 4-0 vs Aaron Rodgers. So according to your logic, surely Garoppolo is a much better quarterback than Rodgers, correct?
 
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It was 7-0 when Dak threw his first int at the 12 yd line, giving the Packers an easy score to make it 14-0. The defense wasn't getting any help from the offense.
Then after Love threw another td pass to make it 20-0, Dak throws his pick six.
It's 27-0 and the defense is on the field constantly and Dak spotted the Packers 14 of those points.
While getting no points from the supposed top offense in the NFL.
27-0, and you absolve the defense of any responsibility. You constantly talk about the “supposed top offense.” Well, what about one of the supposed top defenses? What about the defense that’s supposed to be #1 in turnovers? Where was THAT defense?
 

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Imagine you're the defense and you just held the Niners to 19 and 23 points and no ring for you!
You look at # 4 after the game in the locker room and think..............man the guy making the most $ in here and his mediocre performance lost us both of those games.
Now move forward to the GB game and Dak just threw his 2nd Pick (pick 6 no less) do you want to continue to give 100% out on the field?
Nah, don't think so..............Game is over!
 

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You're the ONE with the Agenda and it's not about wanting the Best for the Star.
Drop your so-called neutrality and let your Dak-loving shine man!!!
It's a free country no one is going to bite you, man!
What’s best for the Star isn’t a possibility. Jethro isn’t leaving. For some reason they won’t attack or troll him.

Most Cowboy fans are more in the middle on Prescott. Trolling Cowboys Nation over our QB is a lazy analysis. He’s not only thing holding us back. It’s a one trick pony show.

No , these troll like gigs here much like the Stephen A’s of the world I intend to keep bringing attention to. I’ll take them on much like I’ve taken on the homers.
 
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27-0, and you absolve the defense of any responsibility. You constantly talk about the “supposed top offense.” Well, what about one of the supposed top defenses? What about the defense that’s supposed to be #1 in turnovers? Where was THAT defense?
They aren’t interested in attacking any other aspect of the Cowboys. Including our owner.

Dak is to blame for the last 28 years of futility. Lol
 
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