How to save k Joseph’s career

[kskboys]

Fans don't understand every situation is different. And every GM will make mistakes.

I do. However, many fans don't understand the difference between making intelligent mistakes and really stupid mistakes.

 

[kskboys]

6-1 is plenty tall for a cb.
Arm length of almost 32 inches is plenty long.
His 4.3 speed is his main SPARQ plus.

Looking at the numbers, looks like a red flag for agility, but otherwise a high SPARQ.
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/kelvinjoseph

I think Simi was a big SPARQ guy as well.
I haven't checked but gotta be Parsons and Cox too.

Jerry has been a SPARQ guy for decades.

Joseph is the very definition of a measurables pick.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Al Harris was not a bad DB in his Packer days. Diggs had 11 picks in one yr. DQ has coached D a few yrs . Anthony Brown has started sometime as an NFL DB. Joseph has plenty of coaches and teammates to talk with practice with get coached up. He’s on his rookie deal so the Cowboys aren’t in a rush to cut him .

They should be! He is a guy that will cost you a game. Seems to have a poor attitude and doesn’t seem to have the effort or desire to be great.
And we already know for sure, in the past he made way to many dumb penalties!

 

[G2]

He's not NFL caliber as a player. He couldn't manage playing special teams without making low football IQ mistakes. And when he go opportunities to play defense, he looked exactly like a player everyone claims has "potential" but just never developed. Even in college he couldn't get out of his own way. He's shown nothing his entire career.

He's got the height, weight, arm length, and 4.3 speed. I like his aggressive instincts. You would have to be insane if you couldn't clearly see he fits the mold of a corner.
None of that matters in the end in this case simply because he's not intelligent enough to utilize those measurables. Some may not even know he was suspended by his team from playing in the Fiesta Bowl in '19, probably because he withdrew his name and left LSU for Kentucky. He played like 15 games.
Since he's been in Dallas, his garbage field play speaks for itself. Ride out his contract and hopefully he doesn't screw up as much on special teams.

 

[G2]

Why do you say that? He gave us a chance to win the game after we threw it away.

His teammates just couldn't step.up.

Low IQ penalties such as pre-snap penalties are inexcusable. Interfering with a fair catch is the dumbest of the dumb.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I trust DQ, if KJ isnt playing there is a reason, if he is still on the team then DQ is keeping him on the team for a reason. Jerry has done some out of character things for the defense the last couple seasons so that speaks to DQ making the decisions in my opinion.

 

[kskboys]

I trust DQ, if KJ isnt playing there is a reason, if he is still on the team then DQ is keeping him on the team for a reason. Jerry has done some out of character things for the defense the last couple seasons so that speaks to DQ making the decisions in my opinion.

Yup. He's keeping him because Jerry told him he has to.

 

[kskboys]

He's not NFL caliber as a player. He couldn't manage playing special teams without making low football IQ mistakes. And when he go opportunities to play defense, he looked exactly like a player everyone claims has "potential" but just never developed. Even in college he couldn't get out of his own way. He's shown nothing his entire career.

He's got the height, weight, arm length, and 4.3 speed. I like his aggressive instincts. You would have to be insane if you couldn't clearly see he fits the mold of a corner.
None of that matters in the end in this case simply because he's not intelligent enough to utilize those measurables. Some may not even know he was suspended by his team from playing in the Fiesta Bowl in '19, probably because he withdrew his name and left LSU for Kentucky. He played like 15 games.
Since he's been in Dallas, his garbage field play speaks for itself. Ride out his contract and hopefully he doesn't screw up as much on special teams.

He has shown nothing to warrant keeping him, much less his lofty draft position.

Kelvin is a guy you throw a 5th at due to potential.

Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem drafting any of these flops in the 5th or later. That's when you take chances on potential. Jaylon, Kelvin, Escobar, Connor Williams, Randy Gregory, Trysten Hill. That's just too many 2nd round draft picks spent on question marks.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Yup. He's keeping him because Jerry told him he has to.

That would make sense if he got to play when we were literally having game day tryouts at the position...Keeping him on the team and having him sit the bench doesnt prove anything for Jerry.....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Why is is it weird? The guy has low character, low football IQ, low effort and an “I don’t care demeanor when he does something stupid on the football ball field “.
What are you insinuating by saying it is weird? There are many valid reasons why fans don’t like Joseph.

It’s wierd because it’s not worth the effort lol. It’s like being upset at Luke Gifford or CJ Goodwin.

 

[Bobhaze]

Jerry does not manage football operations anymore.

S.Jones started raking over on 2014 and was basically in complete control once he pushed Garrett out the door and hired McCarthy.

Jerry was a wildcatter from 1996 to 2013. Joey Galloway and those types of big moves that "football" people wouldn't make. Since 2014 they moved farther and farther away from the wildcatting approach.

Jerry would never have been nicknamed "cap boy" by fans...

DLaw's agent said he never met Jerry except briefly at a photoshoot.

Obviously, like any owner Jerry could veto his acting GM but that's not happening in recent years. If Zeke stays at anything more than 5M then Jerry vetoed SJ. If Zeke is cut or his salary is cut to 50% or less then we know SJ is in charge.

Two points for me:

1. There has been no “announcement“ that I know of that SJ is “in charge”. Obviously he’s very involved. But unless there’s something concrete that has been announced, it’s just an opinion/speculation that SJ is completely running things now. Obviously an opinion is fine but that’s all it is.
2. Even IF Stephen is completely large and in charge, it does not make me feel any better about the future of this organization. He’s certainly not proven to be the kind of NFL executive that other NFL teams would line up to hire. He’s lazy and runs his mouth waaaaay too much in public.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Joseph is the very definition of a measurables pick.

The more I look into Joseph, the more I don't see the pick at all.

In the 2nd round? For what?

Transfers out of LSU in a huff over missing a bowl game because he broke team rules. Also a problem with personal fouls.

Gets 4 INTs on a defense with 5 players that were drafted in 2021 alone. That just stinks of the Mo Problem, where a CB gets a reputation for "ball skills" based on a handful of INTs on a dominating defense that gave them a very easy row to hoe.

His measurables are basically comparable to Anthony Brown, who we picked up in the 6th. And his agility scores are *worse* than Brown, who himself is known as a straight line player. Fast is good, but I usually discount Pro Day numbers.

It seems like CBs just get anointed if they're on a strong defense, and then a good 40 and bam!, they're drafted in the 2nd round. Even if they're a known headcase. Bleh.

 

[G2]

He has shown nothing to warrant keeping him, much less his lofty draft position.

Kelvin is a guy you throw a 5th at due to potential.

Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem drafting any of these flops in the 5th or later. That's when you take chances on potential. Jaylon, Kelvin, Escobar, Connor Williams, Randy Gregory, Trysten Hill. That's just too many 2nd round draft picks spent on question marks.

100% agree. I was thinking the same thing, around a 5th. Especially when you have multiple 4th, 5th, and up. You can take a swing because on paper there's something there. And if they flop, no worries.

Not every draft, but there are inconsistency with the 2nd round. It's almost like it's treated as a "gamble pick." But not always. Same Williams, Diggs, and Lawrence were very good picks. Me personally, I'm drafting the first 3 rounds planning on them getting plugged right in, no projects. In hopes to sign to a 2nd contract.
Most of the time, however, the "gamble" didn't pan out with guys like Hill, Conner Williams, Awuzie, Jaylon Smith, Gregory, and many more. All were projects for one reason or another. I'd argue a round too early. And this feels like Jerry Jones gambling with his money machine toy with no repercussions minus pissed off fans and a long history of mediocrity. I truly believe he REALLY wants to win, no matter what I really do. Unfortunately he's not felt the burn of losing because there's no repercussions and it's mostly fueled on ego.

 

[Hennessy_King]

It's a shame this kid has all the ability. Just can't put it together

 

[75boyz]

I mean during Quinn's tenure with Carroll at Seattle I think they had some version of competition Tuesday or maybe Wednesday.
I heard Carroll kept it kinda transparent for open competition for a couple or so spots between team mates trying for the same starting spot.

I think Sherman mentioned it in past interviews as well.

So with that said, Quinn should get Bland, Joseph, Wright and whomever else to compete for the opposite spot to Diggs throughout training camp. And if it stays relatively close then reward the winner by who practiced the best that week.

I think Bland has shown to have the best potential of these 3, but open competition never hurts. Iron sharpens iron.

 

[raven55]

what career he's gonna be one that could 've had one but rapping is more his gig. this is what i have seen so far he sure isn't a corner

 

[quickccc]

Train with d revis this off season. It would immediately change the perception of him. He has a similar build. Revis was 5’11 & change. Joseph is 6’ with more speed. He should work with him all off season. Pay him if you have to to train you. He’s the most taker we Corbett in the team when it comes to size , speed and hands.

Don't trust our very own DC and DB coaches, eh ? Has Revis pledge to be a personal full time consultant ?

- Guys like Charles Haley and Dware have been " spot " Consultants during training camp... but that's different than a full time coach.

- My initial thought was what was it about DaRon Bland immediately making INT plays and impact and catch on, why hasn't Joseph followed the same path ?
Bland has had to have a smaller role and responsbility being on the slot vs Joseph who was immediately elevated to the outside CB role.

- Bland has had his ups and down too. He's been beaten for big plays and TDs ..but i've also seen him come right back and make the big plays and INTs too.

 

[Alexander]

Train with d revis this off season. It would immediately change the perception of him. He has a similar build. Revis was 5’11 & change. Joseph is 6’ with more speed. He should work with him all off season. Pay him if you have to to train you. He’s the most taker we Corbett in the team when it comes to size , speed and hands.

Someone should forward this message to Kelvin’s agents immediately.

 

[charron]

KJ can save his own career.

 

[Captain43Crash]

He's not NFL caliber as a player. He couldn't manage playing special teams without making low football IQ mistakes. And when he go opportunities to play defense, he looked exactly like a player everyone claims has "potential" but just never developed. Even in college he couldn't get out of his own way. He's shown nothing his entire career.

He's got the height, weight, arm length, and 4.3 speed. I like his aggressive instincts. You would have to be insane if you couldn't clearly see he fits the mold of a corner.
None of that matters in the end in this case simply because he's not intelligent enough to utilize those measurables. Some may not even know he was suspended by his team from playing in the Fiesta Bowl in '19, probably because he withdrew his name and left LSU for Kentucky. He played like 15 games.
Since he's been in Dallas, his garbage field play speaks for itself. Ride out his contract and hopefully he doesn't screw up as much on special teams.

You make a lot of excellent thought out points, but his football IQ is so low he could cost us a playoff game just playing Special Teams. Some guy irates him just a little, and he explodes with a stupid personal foul at the worst time!