How to turn Dak Prescott into Russell Wilson

[Tommy]

You think any great QB would put up big numbers if they were in Cleveland instead? Of course not.

It's bizarre that Wilson is one of those QBs that people just like to put down.

I don't know why you quoted me with this response. This had nothing to do with my what I was talking about.

 

[Bullflop]

Personally, I couldn't care less who Dak compares to, as long as he keeps being who he is and continues on his present course. It has taken forever for this team to finally have discovered a young QB with promise of developing into something special. As long as Dak establishes himself as a QB this team can be proud of for the long haul, meaningless comparisons are of no consequence whatsoever. I'll happily take him as is!

 

[Falco78]

Let Dak be Dak

 

[Bullflop]

Let Dak be Dak

Amen, bro!

 

[Sydla]

I don't know why you quoted me with this response. This had nothing to do with my what I was talking about.

Because you seem to want to put down Wilson's accomplishment arguing that if he was in Cleveland he wouldn't have thrown for 34 and 8 TDs.

But that doesn't really help your point because almost all QBs would struggle to put up the numbers they did at their current place if they were playing in Cleveland. So I fail to see how the Cleveland comment is applicable here.

If you were trying for an entirely different point and I missed it, my apologies.

 

[Idgit]

Anybody else see this thread title as an indication of what's coming if Dak continues to develop and then dread it a little bit?

I liked Dak from the start, and thought he had a long shot to become Romo's replacement in three years if we could just protect him and keep him on the bench and give him time enough to fix the mechanics and to learn the game. That preseason game didn't change that. Except that now he's seen as a legitimate developmental option who might actually be putting things together faster than we expected. That's great for the team, but it begets threads comparing him to much more established players like Tony and Wilson and I just get the feeling it's not going to stop until he either flames out or becomes the starter. And that's going to make me wish I could incapacitate people over the internet for the next two years.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

4000 yards puts you in the middle of the pack. Its a meaningless milestone at this point. The td/int ratio points to situational play. He has a lead and doesnt have to throw...which also points to that middle of the pack passing yardage.

He is a good NFL QB and a great fantasy football QB. The latter bit is why he gets the attention.

I think the only one playing fantasy football is you.

Hallmark of the Wilson haters are grand sweeping generalizations that they try to pass off as substantiated fact and without naming specifics.

Case in point: "He also has a lead and doesn't have to throw."

There you have it folks! Wilson's success can now be explained because he apparently always has a lead. Never mind the fact they went 10-6 last year.

Brilliant.

BTW, you know why Wilson was "middle of the pack" in throwing yardage? Because he had the league's 3rd best rushing attack.

Here's your assignment: tell me how many passing yards Romo threw for in 2014 when we had the league's best rushing attack and Romo was vying for an MVP?

 

[aikemirv]

Well there are like maybe 4 elite QBs in the league right now. If Prescott turns into Russell Wilson, we hit a home run with that pick. Not sure how anyone could sit there are argue otherwise or try to put down Russell Wilson in the process.

While he is a great player and a winner, I don't see him as a great passer so that is why I would not pick him to mold a QB after, especially if you did not have the running skills that Wilson does and I don't believe Prescott is near as quick twitch as Wilson is. I believe that a lot of Wilson's passing success is predicated on his ability to run and the read option not because he is a great pocket passer. The read option with a great RB (like Marshawn) and a great running QB is probably the hardest thing to defend in football IMO so it makes passing the ball much easier. Like I said, not taking anything away from Russell WIlson the player - just the pocket passer.

 

[Proof]

While he is a great player and a winner, I don't see him as a great passer so that is why I would not pick him to mold a QB after, especially if you did not have the running skills that Wilson does and I don't believe Prescott is near as quick twitch as Wilson is. I believe that a lot of Wilson's passing success is predicated on his ability to run and the read option not because he is a great pocket passer. The read option with a great RB (like Marshawn) and a great running QB is probably the hardest thing to defend in football IMO so it makes passing the ball much easier. Like I said, not taking anything away from Russell WIlson the player - just the pocket passer.

He's fresh off his best / most impressive season with marshawn on the shelf for the majority of it.

 

[aikemirv]

He's fresh off his best / most impressive season with marshawn on the shelf for the majority of it.

Why could he not get the ball to Jimmy Graham? Honest question because I don't know how you can go from what he did oin New Orleans to nothing in Seattle.

 

[Primetime42]

Russel Wilson is incredible. He's had nothing but success in the league and if his biggest knock is losing his second back to back super bowl I'd take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

He's remarkably consistent, great deepball, great accuracy, huge improvisational skills, mobile, confident and a leader. He passes every single eye test and has had an uninspiring group of receivers in his career.

It's absolutely true that marshawn and the defense have provided him with insurance, but so what? He's made the absolute most of it.

30 odd teams would kill to have him on their roster

He's top 10 for sure. I think some overstate his level of play sometimes, but he's smart with the ball and usually makes plays when he has to. I've never been quite sure if he could carry a team, though he had excellent stats last year.

I think another thing that bothers people when it comes to Wilson (and you saw some of this with McNabb, moreso post-TO) is that he comes off as incredibly phony as a person. Rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

 

[Sydla]

Why could he not get the ball to Jimmy Graham? Honest question because I don't know how you can go from what he did oin New Orleans to nothing in Seattle.

Well he missed like 5 or 6 games with a busted knee last year. Also, his receptions total was likely going to go down moving from a pass happy offense in New Orleans to a run based offense in Seattle. I think he still caught 50 balls in like 10 or 11 games.

 

[bayeslife]

Anybody else see this thread title as an indication of what's coming if Dak continues to develop and then dread it a little bit?

I liked Dak from the start, and thought he had a long shot to become Romo's replacement in three years if we could just protect him and keep him on the bench and give him time enough to fix the mechanics and to learn the game. That preseason game didn't change that. Except that now he's seen as a legitimate developmental option who might actually be putting things together faster than we expected. That's great for the team, but it begets threads comparing him to much more established players like Tony and Wilson and I just get the feeling it's not going to stop until he either flames out or becomes the starter. And that's going to make me wish I could incapacitate people over the internet for the next two years.

Friday we'll know if the hype train stays on course or if we slam the brakes a bit

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Friday we'll know if the hype train stays on course or if we slam the brakes a bit

Lol, can you imagine this place if Dak performs like anything close to last week? What's the over/under a "Trade Romo for DE" gets started, lol?

 

[Primetime42]

Lol, can you imagine this place if Dak performs like anything close to last week? What's the over/under a "Trade Romo for DE" gets started, lol?

Surprised it hasn't already happened, tbh

I expect the kid to struggle a bit, but it'll be to his benefit.

 

[Sydla]

Surprised it hasn't already happened, tbh

I expect the kid to struggle a bit, but it'll be to his benefit.

Actually I think Gameover made a post about trading Romo now.

 

[Primetime42]

Actually I think Gameover made a post about trading Romo now.

See, I have no idea whether this post is facetious or not, and that's terrifying.

 

[Sydla]

See, I have no idea whether this post is facetious or not, and that's terrifying.

I might be confusing the poster, but someone definitely made a comment about Prescott being the starter this year over Romo, etc.

 

[Proof]

Why could he not get the ball to Jimmy Graham? Honest question because I don't know how you can go from what he did oin New Orleans to nothing in Seattle.

I can't speak with any authority, but I'd assume it was a rapport / comfort level issue. It takes time for qbs and receivers to develop that familiarity.

Also the Seahawks play a more controlled efficient style than the explosive air it out saints, and they were either missing marshawn or he was underwhelming early in the season. By the time they got to the point that they had to play a bit more loose and aggressive, Doug Baldwin was the benefactor.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I can't speak with any authority, but I'd assume it was a rapport / comfort level issue. It takes time for qbs and receivers to develop that familiarity.

Also the Seahawks play a more controlled efficient style than the explosive air it out saints, and they were either missing marshawn or he was underwhelming early in the season. By the time they got to the point that they had to play a bit more loose and aggressive, Doug Baldwin was the benefactor.

Seattle was third in the NFL last season in team rushing attempts. New Orleans was 24th. That should provide some insight as to why Graham's targets were down.