CFZ How wide of a gap is there between the Cowboys from the 49ers/Eagles

[ActualCowboysFan]

Losing players deep into their 30's who were old and retired and came in in an emergency role at the end of the season is a tad different

Or who were among the highest paid free agents. Those guys are always quick fixes. Glad you’re not still in denial though

 

[Jimbo123]

That ranking assumes Davis and Carter are as good “as advertised”. If Philly is not looking for veteran interior DLine help a week into training camp then Davis is good enough. Rookie DT’s rarely make much impact, Carter is not going to play even a third of the snaps. We’re going to see soon enough.

Does that mean not to expect much from Mazi to help stop the run?

 

[SuperBowlz]

I'm still rolling with our LB's over theirs. I believe our defense to be a bit better overall than their defense. I believe we end the year with a top three D at worse. Offense, well, that's a different story.

The Eagles might have the worst LBer corp in the entire NFL.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Or who were among the highest paid free agents. Those guys are always quick fixes. Glad you’re not still in denial though

Highest paid FA's? What. They were signed for a half a season not a 100 million dollars. What are you talking about?

 

[SuperBowlz]

Does that mean not to expect much from Mazi to help stop the run?

No, the best college football player last year is going to be a bust or unknown but Mazi will fix the DT issues evidently

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Highest paid FA's? What. They were signed for a half a season not a 100 million dollars. What are you talking about?

Yeah Hargrave was a scrap heap guy. Good job Lombardi

 

[SuperBowlz]

Yeah Hargrave was a scrap heap guy. Good job Lombardi

Dude Linval made 750,000 and Suh made 2 million. That's huge FA deals? We were talking the entire time about Jordan Davis and the signings after he got hurt. The Eagles let an elite pass rushing DT and poor run stopper go because he's over 30. They replaced Hargrave with the top defensive college player last year. Maybe he's a bust and maybe he's a star. No one knows but EVERY is still ranking the Eagles as the number one DLine in football

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Dude Linval made 750,000 and Suh made 2 million. That's huge FA deals? We were talking the entire time about Jordan Davis and the signings after he got hurt. The Eagles let an elite pass rushing DT and poor run stopper go because he's over 30. They replaced Hargrave with the top defensive college player last year. Maybe he's a bust and maybe he's a star. No one knows but EVERY is still ranking the Eagles as the number one DLine in football

No we were talking about all three. Not surprised you got a little lost. You thought this was an Eagles forum

 

[KingCorcoran]

Does that mean not to expect much from Mazi to help stop the run?

Probably as much as Davis, who was highly regarded coming out of college, helped the Eagles stop the run last season. Philly went and signed to vet free agent defensive tackles. Either Davis is a bust or playing DT in the NFL takes some development. What do you think?

 

[KingCorcoran]

The Eagles might have the worst LBer corp in the entire NFL.

Counting on a 2nd year guy and perhaps the guy they drafted. If they don’t pan out, yeah, one of the worst groups in the league. When you have to pay your QB the big money you have to decide where to devote what little is left.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is no proof on Jalen Carter outside of him being the best college football player last year and Davis is a bonafide stud run defender. That's why he played the same percentage of snaps after his injury as he did before his injury. You never know on rookies but a Super Bowl team picking up the #1 recruit is huge. Time will tell but the Eagles run D was and will be better than the Cowboys run D.
Wonder why they let Joseph and Suh go? Probably because they are sky high on Davis. No?
Lastly, as fantastic as Hargreaves was at getting pressure on the QB he was one of the lowest rated run stoppers in the league. I'll bet the Eagles run D will be even better.

Likely the same reason they let the 2 LB,2 S, OG, etc. They cannot afford it.

At best you have a wash at starting DT. The DT depth is gone and you replaced 2 LB, 2 S with a 3rd round pick and big ball of nothing.

Have fun on run defense.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Probably as much as Davis, who was highly regarded coming out of college, helped the Eagles stop the run last season. Philly went and signed to vet free agent defensive tackles. Either Davis is a bust or playing DT in the NFL takes some development. What do you think?

I think that is a false dichotomy intended to lead to a preferred outcome.

This is just a gross oversimplification. Because of world theory big mean are overdrafted every year. As such many prospects have the RAS but not the training.

With Davis that was not the issue. He didn't need to learn what steps to take or where to put his hands coming out of GA. His issue was anchor and play strength. That is why Joseph started because he did have the anchor.

Now you can hope that a 330 lbs man is going to develop strength to anchor. We will see if Mazi has the same issue.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I think that is a false dichotomy intended to lead to a preferred outcome.

This is just a gross oversimplification. Because of world theory big mean are overdrafted every year. As such many prospects have the RAS but not the training.

With Davis that was not the issue. He didn't need to learn what steps to take or where to put his hands coming out of GA. His issue was anchor and play strength. That is why Joseph started because he did have the anchor.

Now you can hope that a 330 lbs man is going to develop strength to anchor. We will see if Mazi has the same issue.

Or Joseph had the experience. Mazi may well be a future Hall of Fame defensive tackle. It will not be based on his performance in his rookie year.

 

[shabazz]

There’s not a gap IMO. Dak needs to play better against the 49ers. Simple as that. Cowboys showed last year they can play with the Eagles. They are of the same caliber.

I will agree with 50% of this.

Name one player on the Cowboys that is better than the best skill position player than the Niners have beside Rayne Dakota Prescott and Micah. Dak has to be better than Purdy just on experience alone

MCCafree , Samuel, Ayuk, Kittles, Warner, Trent Williams, Bosa, Hargrave, etc etc

and they’ve got one of the best offensive play callers in the league.

Dak will have to be the difference maker for us to overcome their advantage.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I will agree with 50% of this.

Name one player on the Cowboys that is better than the best skill position player than the Niners have beside Rayne Dakota Prescott and Micah. Dak has to be better than Purdy just on experience alone

MCCafree , Samuel, Ayuk, Kittles, Warner, Trent Williams, Bosa, Hargrave, etc etc

and they’ve got one of the best offensive play callers in the league.

Dak will have to be the difference maker for us to overcome their advantage.

When you break it down player for player? They win a lot of those matchups.

But I don’t need my offensive line to be better than theirs……I don’t need Tyron to be better than Trent. I need my line to out perform their defensive line.

I need my defense to contain McCaffery.

If my defense does what it’s suppose to do then I can win those matchups.

My secondary is now a strength. My secondary should contain their receivers.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Or Joseph had the experience. Mazi may well be a future Hall of Fame defensive tackle. It will not be based on his performance in his rookie year.

Davis had 4 years and over 40 games at GA. This is not a small school prospect.

Joseph had 3 years at ECU and was a better rookie and was still better at age 33.

 

[Jimbo123]

The Eagles might have the worst LBer corp in the entire NFL.

Howie has 1 or 2 more huge trade coming. He's not done yet,

 

[KingCorcoran]

I will agree with 50% of this.

Name one player on the Cowboys that is better than the best skill position player than the Niners have beside Rayne Dakota Prescott and Micah. Dak has to be better than Purdy just on experience alone

MCCafree , Samuel, Ayuk, Kittles, Warner, Trent Williams, Bosa, Hargrave, etc etc

and they’ve got one of the best offensive play callers in the league.

Dak will have to be the difference maker for us to overcome their advantage.

Davis had 4 years and over 40 games at GA. This is not a small school prospect.

Joseph had 3 years at ECU and was a better rookie and was still better at age 33.

I don’t wish to impugn the SEC, but I have to believe Joseph’s playing experience in the NFL prepared him for last season much more than Davis’ college career. The Eagles had an easy schedule last season, but UAB and Vanderbilt weren’t on it.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Likely the same reason they let the 2 LB,2 S, OG, etc. They cannot afford it.

At best you have a wash at starting DT. The DT depth is gone and you replaced 2 LB, 2 S with a 3rd round pick and big ball of nothing.

Have fun on run defense.

How is the DT depth gone when they lost one DT and replaced him with the best player in college football last year?
I actually think the run D will be better but the pass risk weaker.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How is the DT depth gone when they lost one DT and replaced him with the best player in college football last year?
I actually think the run D will be better but the pass risk weaker.

Joseph and Suh are gone. You guys still have the corpse of Cox I guess.

Your starting LB and S are gone too. Have fun with that.