CFZ How wide of a gap is there between the Cowboys from the 49ers/Eagles

[CATCH17]

Didn't the Eagles QB come in 2nd for MVP?

Hurts is a system QB..

The floor could fall out from under him at any time because he’s an RPO guy that’s taking advantage of almost always playing with a lead.

 

[Hadenough]

It's all about fixing the run game

It's great when you can run the ball. It really helps out the whole offense but teams especially good defenses can choose to take away certain WRs or the run game and it's in those times where the QB must make enough plays in the passing game so that they can back the defense off of the run game. 49era game plan the last two years has been make Prescott beat them through the air.

 

[SuperBowlz]

He got hurt. They traded for a journeyman and couldn't beat him out. Jseph wasn't on the team when he was starting. I don't see how you don't get this.

He wasn't a journeyman. If you don't see the Eagles having massive depth at DT and the luxury to bring him along slowly I don't know what to tell you. Even when he started he only played 25% of their snaps anyway. When he got hurt the Eagles run D suffered a lot and went out and got Linval and Suh to fix the hole. They Eagles are sky high on him. He's gonna be a force in the run game.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

It's great when you can run the ball. It really helps out the whole offense but teams especially good defenses can choose to take away certain WRs or the run game and it's in those times where the QB must make enough plays in the passing game so that they can back the defense off of the run game. 49era game plan the last two years has been make Prescott beat them through the air.

Yea it’s great to run the ball. The issues arise when the other team stacks the box and challenges your QB to throw it. That is where this team has failed. A team with a good defensive line and an above average secondary basically leads to Dak Prescott struggling.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

and a snitch too? you wear a lot of hats BRO

Grow up Poof.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

and a snitch too? you wear a lot of hats BRO

At least a rhyme

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He wasn't a journeyman. If you don't see the Eagles having massive depth at DT and the luxury to bring him along slowly I don't know what to tell you. Even when he started he only played 25% of their snaps anyway. When he got hurt the Eagles run D suffered a lot and went out and got Linval and Suh to fix the hole. They Eagles are sky high on him. He's gonna be a force in the run game.

Linval Joseph has played for four different team. He made a couple of pro bowls as a Viking when that defensive line was loaded and has been on the downslope that last few years.

That's a journeyman.

Again when Davis got back from injury he was Wally Pipped by the journeyman who started every game he was in Philly.

Joseph and Suh are both gone and the guy who couldn't beat them out is still there. Your depth is gone and your frontline is weaker. Carter/Davis is not as talented as Hargraves/Joseph. Have fun on run defense.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Linval Joseph has played for four different team. He made a couple of pro bowls as a Viking when that defensive line was loaded and has been on the downslope that last few years.

That's a journeyman.

Again when Davis got back from injury he was Wally Pipped by the journeyman who started every game he was in Philly.

Joseph and Suh are both gone and the guy who couldn't beat them out is still there. Your depth is gone and your frontline is weaker. Carter/Davis is not as talented as Hargraves/Joseph. Have fun on run defense.

Hargrave was not doing well against the run last season or the previous one. I suspect it’s why the Eagles used a first round pick on Davis. I don’t recall a rookie interior defensive lineman making an impact since Russell Maryland. Apparently the NFL is vastly different than college football for DTs. Including the vaunted SEC (or Big 10). Philly wasn’t stopping the run which necessitated signing some vet FA def. tackles. Carter is Cox’s replacement in 2024. If Davis, with a year under his belt, is not what they hoped, they’ll be looking for help again. Carter is not going to help much this season even if he eventually lives up to his potential. I know the “experts” are enamored with the Eagles’ defensive line. I think it’s more likely to be average than a top ten unit. Their defense is not as good as the one that faced KC in the Super Bowl, and that did not work out well.

 

[JoeKing]

I believe the Cowboys are better than the Eagles already. If Dak would play better we can compete with the 49ers. His poor play is the difference.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Linval Joseph has played for four different team. He made a couple of pro bowls as a Viking when that defensive line was loaded and has been on the downslope that last few years.

That's a journeyman.

Again when Davis got back from injury he was Wally Pipped by the journeyman who started every game he was in Philly.

Joseph and Suh are both gone and the guy who couldn't beat them out is still there. Your depth is gone and your frontline is weaker. Carter/Davis is not as talented as Hargraves/Joseph. Have fun on run defense.

There is no proof on Jalen Carter outside of him being the best college football player last year and Davis is a bonafide stud run defender. That's why he played the same percentage of snaps after his injury as he did before his injury. You never know on rookies but a Super Bowl team picking up the #1 recruit is huge. Time will tell but the Eagles run D was and will be better than the Cowboys run D.
Wonder why they let Joseph and Suh go? Probably because they are sky high on Davis. No?
Lastly, as fantastic as Hargreaves was at getting pressure on the QB he was one of the lowest rated run stoppers in the league. I'll bet the Eagles run D will be even better.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

There is no proof on Jalen Carter outside of him being the best college football player last year and Davis is a bonafide stud run defender. That's why he played the same percentage of snaps after his injury as he did before his injury. You never know on rookies but a Super Bowl team picking up the #1 recruit is huge. Time will tell but the Eagles run D was and will be better than the Cowboys run D.
Wonder why they let Joseph and Suh go? Probably because they are sky high on Davis. No?
Lastly, as fantastic as Hargreaves was at getting pressure on the QB he was one of the lowest rated run stoppers in the league. I'll bet the Eagles run D will be even better.

No logic to losing three guys adding one rookie equals better. Just your typical green pompoms from a guy who joined last year to tell everyone the Eagles were going to go 20-0

 

[CCBoy]

No logic to losing three guys adding one rookie equals better. Just your typical green pompoms from a guy who joined last year to tell everyone the Eagles were going to go 20-0

Know why the farmer called his pig 'ink?' He kept on running out of the pen...

 

[EST_1986]

There isnt a gap...all 3 teams have just as good a chance to head to the superbowl this year

Take the playoffs last year...imo we go to the superbowl if dak plays average ...defense held them to 19 points....thats a game Dallas should win

but Dak also gives us a chance and im happy to have him here....i think we get to a SB within the next 2 years.....our defense is better than Philly's right now and will compete with the 49ers defense (their lb core is AMAZING!)

Dak being here is what creates the gap

 

[kskboys]

Hurts is a system QB..

The floor could fall out from under him at any time because he’s an RPO guy that’s taking advantage of almost always playing with a lead.

I think that's a good way to put it.

As far as how far away, not far. However, to close that gap we absolutely must keep on focusing on forming a disruptive DLine. Hey, DTs are hard to draft, doesn't always work out. So, you just have to keep on acquiring them until you form a disruptive unit, and then you still have to always keep drafting for it. What's put us behind is way too much focus on WRs, TEs, and CBs. CBs don't do you any good unless you can disrupt the pocket consistently. Sure, it matters against the scrubs you face in the regular season. But, if you want to be a super bowl contender, you must disrupt the pocket and stop the run. Until you can do that, you're a pretender.

 

[kskboys]

Linval Joseph has played for four different team. He made a couple of pro bowls as a Viking when that defensive line was loaded and has been on the downslope that last few years.

That's a journeyman.

Again when Davis got back from injury he was Wally Pipped by the journeyman who started every game he was in Philly.

Joseph and Suh are both gone and the guy who couldn't beat them out is still there. Your depth is gone and your frontline is weaker. Carter/Davis is not as talented as Hargraves/Joseph. Have fun on run defense.

Carter/Davis are much more talented. Now, it remains to be seen if they can play up to that talent.

 

[SuperBowlz]

No logic to losing three guys adding one rookie equals better. Just your typical green pompoms from a guy who joined last year to tell everyone the Eagles were going to go 20-0

Losing players deep into their 30's who were old and retired and came in in an emergency role at the end of the season is a tad different

 

[SuperBowlz]

Hargrave was not doing well against the run last season or the previous one. I suspect it’s why the Eagles used a first round pick on Davis. I don’t recall a rookie interior defensive lineman making an impact since Russell Maryland. Apparently the NFL is vastly different than college football for DTs. Including the vaunted SEC (or Big 10). Philly wasn’t stopping the run which necessitated signing some vet FA def. tackles. Carter is Cox’s replacement in 2024. If Davis, with a year under his belt, is not what they hoped, they’ll be looking for help again. Carter is not going to help much this season even if he eventually lives up to his potential. I know the “experts” are enamored with the Eagles’ defensive line. I think it’s more likely to be average than a top ten unit. Their defense is not as good as the one that faced KC in the Super Bowl, and that did not work out well.

Everyone I've seen has them (the Eagles DLine) as ranked as the #1 DLine in football but you think they are average. Really?
I saw PFF and they said the Eagles 2nd string DLine would be top 20.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Hurts is a system QB..

The floor could fall out from under him at any time because he’s an RPO guy that’s taking advantage of almost always playing with a lead.

Joe Montana was a system QB too. I think it's silly to criticize a player because the coaching staff was smart enough to devise a game plan that plays into a player's strength. Maybe if we did that the past twenty years or so we'd have another ring. Coaches like Bill Walsh and Andy Reid did/do this all the time. Maybe you are correct and Hurts can bottom out, but I have a feeling Hurts will end up as what McNabb (bless his worm-killing heart) was supposed to be before injuries took its toll. The improvement Hurts showed in his passing surprised the hell out of me.

 

[StarOfGlory]

The Cowboys have a better secondary, but thats it. Their Dline is still better than ours. Our linebackers are average at best. DC? Looking for anything to grasp eh?

Now go to the offensive side of the ball and the Cowboys lose on almost every category.

I'm still rolling with our LB's over theirs. I believe our defense to be a bit better overall than their defense. I believe we end the year with a top three D at worse. Offense, well, that's a different story.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Everyone I've seen has them (the Eagles DLine) as ranked as the #1 DLine in football but you think they are average. Really?
I saw PFF and they said the Eagles 2nd string DLine would be top 20.

That ranking assumes Davis and Carter are as good “as advertised”. If Philly is not looking for veteran interior DLine help a week into training camp then Davis is good enough. Rookie DT’s rarely make much impact, Carter is not going to play even a third of the snaps. We’re going to see soon enough.