How would you feel about an 11-5 no playoffs season?

[visionary]

I knew this guy was negative, but, man, check out that post history.

http://cowboyszone.com/search/408393/

Going back to October when he started posting. I don't think I've come across a single positive post yet. Granted, I just flipped through 3 or 4 pages of it.

Why do you guys gave to vilify posters?
He did not say anything wrong
Philly is on their second QB and AZ is on their 3rd. Where would we be if we were in that position?

 

[Idgit]

Instead of worrying about whether someone is negative, I just look to whether I think they're right or not.

Interesting. That would probably work for you if you were just a little better at knowing what's actually right.

I care about both.

 

[ufcrules1]

Interesting. That would probably work for you if you were just a little better at knowing what's actually right.

I care about both.

Hey Pot... Meet kettle.

 

[Risen Star]

Why do you guys gave to vilify posters?
He did not say anything wrong
Philly is on their second QB and AZ is on their 3rd. Where would we be if we were in that position?

Yeah but he kinda worded it a little wrong. The Cardinals have not gotten to this point with a 3rd string QB playing a significant role.

It'd be like Romo's back going out, the Cowboys mercy releasing Brandon Weeden and me going "What do you people want? We're 9-4 with Dustin Vaughn!".

 

[Risen Star]

Hey Pot... Meet kettle.

When he says things like that I instantly flash back to his Phil Costa and Bill Nagy comments.

 

[Blackspider214]

I disagree...

I think we're loaded at receiver.. We need to scheme better.

Loaded?? We have Dez and a bunch of JAGs

 

[ufcrules1]

If Floatly doesn't mind me throwing my .02 in on his behalf, I think the point he is trying to make is that the team is really not that much more improved over previous teams under Garrett because the same formula holds. We beat the scrub teams and lose to the good teams, that has been the MO of Garrett from day 1. That is why his record against teams under 500 is fantastic and his record against teams over 500 is terrible.

This season, we have so far played the 3rd easiest strength of schedule in the NFL.............7 of our 9 wins are against teams that are sub 500, just like every other year under Garrett. The two teams we have beat that are currently over 500 are Seattle and the Texans (temporarily).

These two next games are against teams that will finish the season over 500 in Philly and Indy.................if this team is different, it will start beating teams with winning records...............that's when you know improvement is happening, not beating the Titans and Jags of the NFL and pounding your chest.

Fantastic post. Nice job man. You are dead on accurate. If we don't show up in these next 2 games against solid teams then we are just the same old team we have always been. We have a much better Oline than previous years but that should help us beat teams like this and if it doesn't then there are some other deeply rooted problems with the makeup of this team.

 

[Idgit]

Why do you guys gave to vilify posters?
He did not say anything wrong
Philly is on their second QB and AZ is on their 3rd. Where would we be if we were in that position?

Not 'you guys.' This was entirely me. I pointed out his post history. His entire body of work. Because, at heart, this is a Dallas Cowboys fan board. There's a reasonable expectation from the community here that this is a place where people come to discuss the Cowboys. Obviously, that includes the good as well as the bad. But you'd be surprised how much time the staff here has to spend keeping the board clear of people who create accounts for no other purpose than to detract from the quality of the board and antagonize the membership. Agreeing not to do so is one of the conditions of having an account here, after all.

That line gets blurred, because you do have real fans like yourself who are obviously big Cowboys fans who are capable of engaging on topics but who are just naturally negative people or who are just unhappy with the recent history of the Cowboys. It's not always easy to tell which is which.

Finally, there's just the matter of personal preference. If a guy joins in October of this year in a season when we're in the middle of a long winning streak and drops a couple hundred posts of pure negativity, well, it's ok if I'm not a fan of that particular posting behavior. I'm allowed to say so, as well, and I do because there are a lot of good, regular, die hard fans who read here but don't post, and all of us absorb that sort of background negativity. When it's not genuine, and there's enough of it, it takes away from the general enjoyment of the board. This is not a place where you go to feel bad about your Dallas Cowboys. It's a place where you go to read and discuss criticisms fairly and in a proper context.

 

[ufcrules1]

When he says things like that I instantly flash back to his Phil Costa and Bill Nagy comments.

lol.. I had forgotten those players until you just brought them up. Good ole Phil Costa....

 

[yimyammer]

Not 'you guys.' This was entirely me. I pointed out his post history. His entire body of work. Because, at heart, this is a Dallas Cowboys fan board. There's a reasonable expectation from the community here that this is a place where people come to discuss the Cowboys. Obviously, that includes the good as well as the bad. But you'd be surprised how much time the staff here has to spend keeping the board clear of people who create accounts for no other purpose than to detract from the quality of the board and antagonize the membership. Agreeing not to do so is one of the conditions of having an account here, after all.

That line gets blurred, because you do have real fans like yourself who are obviously big Cowboys fans who are capable of engaging on topics but who are just naturally negative people or who are just unhappy with the recent history of the Cowboys. It's not always easy to tell which is which.

Finally, there's just the matter of personal preference. If a guy joins in October of this year in a season when we're in the middle of a long winning streak and drops a couple hundred posts of pure negativity, well, it's ok if I'm not a fan of that particular posting behavior. I'm allowed to say so, as well, and I do because there are a lot of good, regular, die hard fans who read here but don't post, and all of us absorb that sort of background negativity. When it's not genuine, and there's enough of it, it takes away from the general enjoyment of the board. This is not a place where you go to feel bad about your Dallas Cowboys. It's a place where you go to read and discuss criticisms fairly and in a proper context.

Nice post, thought it deserved more than a like

 

[mahoneybill]

I predicted that the Cowboys would go 7-9 before the season so my personal expectations have already been exceeded, with that said, that terrible loss to the Commanders would be the reason that they miss the playoffs yet again. 11 wins in a normal year would get you in, but when you see the other teams around you with the same record, you have to play better, and if they do indeed miss the playoffs with 11 wins, then it will be a bit of a disappointment that the Washington game would be the reason for it.

You and I had the same feeling about this years record. Agree on the Washington being the reason to miss, as they are a shell of what they used to be, and we need to figure out how to handle their D assault, as other teams, including Philly , mirror their approach to disrupting our passing game.

Throw in our hesitancy to use shorter " quick hitter" routes like Denver/Green Bay/Pats, and teams have a built in advantage for any D attack based on that type of pressure.

 

[gimmesix]

I'm not much of a thread starter but I really am interested in the responses.

Obviously nobody is going to be happy about missing the playoffs. That's not the point of this thread. I'm talking about how you would feel about the state of the team and it's immediate future.

Let's say the Cowboys win 2 of the next 3 games. Beat the Eagles, lose to the Colts, beat the Commanders. Or whatever way you want to do it. But they lose the tiebreakers for the division and wild card. They sit at home at 11-5. This is a pretty rare happening in the NFL.

What's your reaction? Is this the same team that can't close the deal and just misses the playoffs? Like every other year in recent memory? The record doesn't matter, all that matters is they came up short again?

Or was it just a flukey season, the team went 5-2 down the stretch, clear progress has been made and this is merely a case of some bad luck? No 11-5 team should ever be sitting at home watching a 7-9 division winner? This was a clear step forward towards 2015?

I say 11-5 and no playoffs. You say?

I ask because I really don't know.

I would hate to miss the playoffs, but 11-5 would at least be a step in the right direction. The offensive line has shown this year that it is everything it was expected to be ... and that's definitely progress.

The defensive line also have shown that it is mostly what it was expected to be, and with work there primarily, Dallas can make going at least 11-5 a regular occurrence instead of a consolation prize.

 

[gimmesix]

pissed that we screwed around with the 1st Commanders game which ended up being the reason for the loss to the cardinals.

Inept coaching is what blew those and I would still want Garrett FIRED!

Bad scheming blew the Commanders game, which is on Linehan (one of the few knocks against him this year). I'm not sure what the coaching could have done to overcome having Weeden at QB in the Arizona game.

 

[Plankton]

It would feel like empty progress. Measurably, it's definitely better. The end result, though, is still the same as before. I wouldn't blame the coaching staff for not making the playoffs.

 

[Bleu Star]

I'm not much of a thread starter but I really am interested in the responses.

Obviously nobody is going to be happy about missing the playoffs. That's not the point of this thread. I'm talking about how you would feel about the state of the team and it's immediate future.

Let's say the Cowboys win 2 of the next 3 games. Beat the Eagles, lose to the Colts, beat the Commanders. Or whatever way you want to do it. But they lose the tiebreakers for the division and wild card. They sit at home at 11-5. This is a pretty rare happening in the NFL.

What's your reaction? Is this the same team that can't close the deal and just misses the playoffs? Like every other year in recent memory? The record doesn't matter, all that matters is they came up short again?

Or was it just a flukey season, the team went 5-2 down the stretch, clear progress has been made and this is merely a case of some bad luck? No 11-5 team should ever be sitting at home watching a 7-9 division winner? This was a clear step forward towards 2015?

I say 11-5 and no playoffs. You say?

I ask because I really don't know.

I know no other way than to be completely straightforward. If this scenario were to become reality, I would consider this team a carbon copy of teams from the last 8 to 10 years. While I do see progress on several fronts (same every season), I also believe the proof is in the pudding. You sieze moments. That's what separates true progress from a facade. Sunday night is that moment.

If we don't beat Philly our chances of making the playoffs are slim to none. We would have had several opportunities (most strikingly two divisional opportunities vs the Eagles). I already said my piece. Done.

 

[Bleu Star]

Add a second loss to a Mark Sanchez led Eagles team and stir until my head explodes.

 

[visionary]

Not 'you guys.' This was entirely me. I pointed out his post history. His entire body of work. Because, at heart, this is a Dallas Cowboys fan board. There's a reasonable expectation from the community here that this is a place where people come to discuss the Cowboys. Obviously, that includes the good as well as the bad. But you'd be surprised how much time the staff here has to spend keeping the board clear of people who create accounts for no other purpose than to detract from the quality of the board and antagonize the membership. Agreeing not to do so is one of the conditions of having an account here, after all.

That line gets blurred, because you do have real fans like yourself who are obviously big Cowboys fans who are capable of engaging on topics but who are just naturally negative people or who are just unhappy with the recent history of the Cowboys. It's not always easy to tell which is which.

Finally, there's just the matter of personal preference. If a guy joins in October of this year in a season when we're in the middle of a long winning streak and drops a couple hundred posts of pure negativity, well, it's ok if I'm not a fan of that particular posting behavior. I'm allowed to say so, as well, and I do because there are a lot of good, regular, die hard fans who read here but don't post, and all of us absorb that sort of background negativity. When it's not genuine, and there's enough of it, it takes away from the general enjoyment of the board. This is not a place where you go to feel bad about your Dallas Cowboys. It's a place where you go to read and discuss criticisms fairly and in a proper context.

Ok if you feel he is just flaming that is fine
You're the mod, my perspective is that of a poster

 

[Bleu Star]

But you'd be surprised how much time the staff here has to spend keeping the board clear of people who create accounts for no other purpose than to detract from the quality of the board and antagonize the membership.

Oh you mean people that never go outside?

 

[Idgit]

Ok if you feel he is just flaming that is fine
You're the mod, my perspective is that of a poster

I just went back and looked through his post history. He's mostly negative, but not all negative. I didn't mean this as a referendum on Pound the Rock, anyway. Though, in the context of him assuming we've already lost the coming game to the Eagles, which was what windward was calling him out for in the post I quoted, the fact that he's a poster who overwhelmingly assumes negative outcomes I think is relevant.

As posters, we see the same things in terms of what individual members bring the to the board. The only thing moderators go through that's different is the accounts that are removed early or not allowed at all for some of those reasons I mentioned. There are members on other sites who do enjoy coming here and pushing the definitions of the guidelines just to see what might happen. We welcome all of that here. This is just a place for fans to talk Cowboys. But some of those games do create headaches for the staff when we try to interpret the forum guidelines fairly for everybody. Sometimes it's easy to jump to the conclusion someone is a troublemaker when they really aren't.

I, personally, don't have a problem with negativity. I'm not shy about confronting a negative argument, but I think that's what threads are for. I don't have a lot of tolerance when I think a poster is just here to detract from the community, though. I hate that. I'll admit that it's easy, sometimes, to get a really negative poster confused with the latter. It's much rarer for a positive poster to be a troublemaker in the disguise of a super fan . Though that does happen now and then, and then we get the pleasure of suspending their accounts, too.

 

[Cowboyz88]

I would be pleased with the record and progress and growth of the overall team, but disappointed knowing we missed one more playoff year with a franchise QB and one year closer to needing a bonafide replacement with no candidate in sight.