Howie: middle of NFL curve worse than taking risk and failing

[john van brocklin]

The best gm in the nfl explains quite simply his philosophy on the matter. While dumb and dumber are on record stating the exact opposite. One guy has his job on the line while the other two have the most valuable franchise label to hold up to. Quite simply put - this is the difference between the two franchises

Jerry literally last week. “I like being in the middle”

You can’t make this stuff up. You guys can draft, sign, trade, do whatever y’all want. Fire x coach and hire y. None of that will matter until somebody that knows what they are doing is in charge.

It really depends on what your goal is.
Do you want to win the Super Bowl?
Or do you want to just make the playoffs and be relevant and sell merch?

 

[BigCowboysHomer]

Are you serious? Those 3 teams (New Orleans/Pittsburgh/Arizona) were way easier teams to play than (Tampa Bay/Cincinnati/LA Rams). I guarantee the Eagles would not have finished 2-1 against the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati/LA Rams.

Again, both teams were 2-1 against those different opponents, so it made no difference in the final standings. This isn't diving or gymnastics, results aren't adjusted for degree of difficulty.

It came down to the Green Bay and Jacksonville games. The Eagles won both and the Cowboys lost both. That was the difference between the #1 seed and the #5 seed.

 

[kskboys]

Dak is the #1 most important Cowboy. Parsons on defense.

And yah position has a lot to do with it. However up until Rush with a crazy streak from our defense winning games, without Dak this team was well below 500.

Of course. Positional. The QB is almost always the #1 most important player. However, there's a difference between rating the position and rating the player. Zach, Biadasz, and Ceedee are all better players than Dak. Schultz is also IMO, but that's close. Tyron used to be better than Dak but age has taken that away/

On D, Parsons and DLaw are better than Dak. That puts Dak in the 6-8 range as far as the best players on the Cowboys. Zach is by far the best Cowboy, BTW. Dude is a future HOFer.

 

[CTcowboy203]

just wanna make sure that people understand when Jerry says the middle he doesn’t mean wins….he means in terms of having to be aggressive in trade and free agency and developing your own talent.

Not saying I agree with Jerry at all but I do think some misunderstand Jerry’s point. He’s not talking about being in the middle of pack in terms of wins and losses

 

[DZSierra]

If the Eagles win Sunday you can almost lock that figure in......Spotrac has Lamar Jackson valued at $52M WITHOUT a Super Bowl.

If the Eagles win, I wouldn't lock any number in for Hurts given their front office. At the point of the win, they already won the superbowl. Just paying a guy 50 million a year does not promise you'll even sniff it next year depending on who you lose.

Unlike 1990, the players are getting paid handsomely today, but we're getting past stupid money for winning. Hope the Eagles can finally draw the line in the sand for the NFL if Hurts expects 50 mil a year. I would also like to think that Hurts knows he has a good thing going.

This is where the "team" comes into play before "how much can I get because I don't care about anyone else" factor comes into play.

 

[fivetwos]

It really depends on what your goal is.
Do you want to win the Super Bowl?
Or do you want to just make the playoffs and be relevant and sell merch?

I don’t even think they mind that narrative.

The idea that they aren’t trying to win makes an excuse for just being bad at it.

They are trying to win, trust me. They just can’t do it under they plan they seem to think is a foolproof method, and they certainly aren’t qualified.

It’s tough enough to win with all else equal. The self inflicted things that must be overcome in Dallas make it nearly impossible, and the results certainly support that.

 

[john van brocklin]

I don’t even think they mind that narrative.

The idea that they aren’t trying to win makes an excuse for just being bad at it.

They are trying to win, trust me. They just can’t do it under they plan they seem to think is a foolproof method, and they certainly aren’t qualified.

It’s tough enough to win with all else equal. The self inflicted things that must be overcome in Dallas make it nearly impossible, and the results certainly support that.

Agreed, winning the SB when you do everything right is very difficult with the competitive nature of the NFL.
You handicap yourself with an unqualified GM, then it's nearly impossible.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Who cares? They had one of the easiest schedules this year, yet almost lost both times to us. They lucked out. With a harder schedule, I doubt they end up with the #1 rank heading into the playoffs, nor making it this far.

we pretty much played the same schedule.

they got #1 seed. they are in superbowl. everything else is an excuse for feeling better about ourselves.

 

[Runwildboys]

Exactly right
If you never take a chance you a unlikely to succeed

They're taking chances every time they put Dak under center.

 

[DZSierra]

They're taking chances every time they put Dak under center.

YOU'RE WRONG!!!

This kind of thinking is why Cowboy fans are worse than Philly fans!

Cowboys are only taking chances when they put Dak under center during a playoff game!!!

Thing is, one could argue that at least they're playing in a playoff game to lose rather than not being in a playoff game at all. Go figure...

I would like to think that if the cowboys blow it in the playoffs next year, house cleaning will be in order and start from scratch. Thing is, I think we all know that most likely will not happen because we like our guys, and if they can get us to the playoffs, they will sooner or later get the team to the big dance.

Guess the difference between the cowboys fans and philly fans is the boys fans just ask the ownership to it do it longer and harder to them. The filthy fans would riot in the streets until changes are made LMAO

 

[Pola_pe_a]

Lurie doesn’t want Roseman playing it safe either

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...ny-less-bold-he-wouldnt-be-my-general-manager

“If he were any less bold, he wouldn’t be my general manager,” Lurie said. “I don’t believe in that. I believe you really need to identify what can make you really successful and go for it. And then if it’s not, if it’s a missed call, a player that gets injured, a misevaluation, you then get back together and figure out how you can make up for that in a big way. … I mean, there’s 32 teams. You don’t want to be 8-8.”

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don’t think the point is that the team would be better if you played a backup caliber player instead of Dak Prescott, but that if the Cowboys attempted to improve the position then they would get over this hump. A QB with a higher ceiling would be more valuable in context.

You’d think it wouldn’t be easy to achieve this, but guys are seemingly available every offseason to upgrade. Dallas preferring Prescott over a Brady or a Rodgers or a Stafford is getting in people’s craws

LOL.......it would take more than an attempt to find an elite QB. So guys are available all offseason for upgrade eh? Yah whatever.

Stafford is no different than Prescott. Brady is too old now. Rodgers might have been an option, but again, getting old and Daks contract makes it impossible at the moment.

So really your crying is nothing but wasted breath. It would be much easier to simply get a DT, receiver, RB than finding some rookie elite QB.

There is also no guarantee at all that Rodgers could win it all here. He won one his entire career and didnt even make the playoffs last year.

The problem is your ability to do anything than blame a QB for the Cowboys shortfalls.

The fact that Dak is not elite is NOT the big problem here. Its jones inability to form a SB caliber team around the QB. No different than with Romo.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Of course. Positional. The QB is almost always the #1 most important player. However, there's a difference between rating the position and rating the player. Zach, Biadasz, and Ceedee are all better players than Dak. Schultz is also IMO, but that's close. Tyron used to be better than Dak but age has taken that away/

On D, Parsons and DLaw are better than Dak. That puts Dak in the 6-8 range as far as the best players on the Cowboys. Zach is by far the best Cowboy, BTW. Dude is a future HOFer.

yah right buddy. Dak is a top 8 QB in the NFL. Some top 12 center isnt better. Neither is lamb or some guard.

Your way off. Lets move on as this is getting laughable to me.

 

[StarOfGlory]

yah right buddy. Dak is a top 8 QB in the NFL. Some top 12 center isnt better. Neither is lamb or some guard.

Your way off. Lets move on as this is getting laughable to me.

Zach Martin is the best player on this team, as well as the best guard in all of the NFL and a probable first ballot HoFer. It is laughable that anyone thinks Dak is better.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Zach Martin is the best player on this team, as well as the best guard in all of the NFL and a probable first ballot HoFer. It is laughable that anyone thinks Dak is better.

Were talking about two different things. Dak is the cowboys best player, period. If the entire NFL did a draft Dak would be a top 10 pick and go before any guard went off the board.

The team would suffer the most without Dak than losing Martin. That is a fact.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

LOL.......it would take more than an attempt to find an elite QB.

you think so? SF was a 7 point game with SF getting 6 points off of Dak interceptions. If Aaron Rodgers was on the 2022 Cowboys, you would have pummeled them. You’re not far off

And Dak’s contract being a hinderance is a fallacy. Yes you’d take a big cap hit, but it is absolutely manageable if the effort is there. Dallas doesn’t want to move on from Dak, they are okay without whatever outcome he gives. That is the issue.

And I’m not crying, I’m an eagles fan. Why would I be crying about Dallas’s self imposed glass ceiling?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Again, both teams were 2-1 against those different opponents, so it made no difference in the final standings. This isn't diving or gymnastics, results aren't adjusted for degree of difficulty.

It came down to the Green Bay and Jacksonville games. The Eagles won both and the Cowboys lost both. That was the difference between the #1 seed and the #5 seed.

And the Rams and Tampa weren't good teams. We thought so when we played them but they weren't. We also played the Bengals early in the season before they got going.

 

[CowboyRoy]

you think so? SF was a 7 point game with SF getting 6 points off of Dak interceptions. If Aaron Rodgers was on the 2022 Cowboys, you would have pummeled them. You’re not far off

And Dak’s contract being a hinderance is a fallacy. Yes you’d take a big cap hit, but it is absolutely manageable if the effort is there. Dallas doesn’t want to move on from Dak, they are okay without whatever outcome he gives. That is the issue.

And I’m not crying, I’m an eagles fan. Why would I be crying about Dallas’s self imposed glass ceiling?

Rogers got destroyed by the Niners defense last year in the playoffs in GB.

Fallacy you say? "yes we would take a big cap hit" Thanks for proving my point.

Well if you are an Eagles fan then you would probably know that the Cowboys would be lucky to win 10 games with Hurts as the QB here. Cant just hand the ball off in Dallas to Zeke and run IPO's and get to the SB. Your defense is top 2 and your Oline is the best in the NFL. Your passing weapons are as good as they get. Great coaching.

You put Dak on the Eagles squad and the team is even better.

Your run to the SB has to be the easiest I have EVER seen. Horrid Giants, Niners with the QB injured first quarter and now KC with Mahomes limping around.

I would have no problem if the Eagles won. It would help bolster my point that its more about the team around the QB than the QB.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Rogers got destroyed by the Niners defense last year in the playoffs in GB.

Fallacy you say? "yes we would take a big cap hit" Thanks for proving my point.

Well if you are an Eagles fan then you would probably know that the Cowboys would be lucky to win 10 games with Hurts as the QB here. Cant just hand the ball off in Dallas to Zeke and run IPO's and get to the SB. Your defense is top 2 and your Oline is the best in the NFL. Your passing weapons are as good as they get. Great coaching.

You put Dak on the Eagles squad and the team is even better.

Your run to the SB has to be the easiest I have EVER seen. Horrid Giants, Niners with the QB injured first quarter and now KC with Mahomes limping around.

And LA took a big cap hit to trade Goff, and Philly took a big cap hit to trade Carson, and Seattle took a cap hit to trade Russell, and Atlanta took a big cap hit to trade Matt Ryan. All 4 teams immediately improved their W/L record because it was the right thing to do, regardless of cap hits. It’s very manageable to do so, the only point you made was you may not know how the salary cap works entirely.

Hurts was the best downfield passer in the nfl last year, you forgot to leave that little point off. Dallas would have beaten Jacksonville and Green Bay with Hurts. Probably SF too, because the biggest difference between Hurts and Prescott is Hurts has knack for not turning the ball over in the worst possible moments. Despite all the running, 2 lost fumbles all year. That’s amazing. 6 interceptions, 2.5 times less than Dak in more games played against mostly similar opponents.

And Who cares what our SB run was? At the end of the day it’ll be worth exactly the same as either of Staubach’s, any of Aikman’s.

 

[America's Cowboy]

There is a fan about 20 years ago who made the same comment about someone lucking out.

Sorry, don't remember who he was because people only remember winners lmao!

Eagles troll.