Huge pot bust in Northern Calif national forest

[Doomsday101]

Treat it the same as alcohol.

No one in the world does even Amsterdam which has laws regarding weed. You can smoke it at their coffee shops but outside of that there are laws that make it illegal.

I'll just say I do have mixed feeling on it and yes I spent many years getting high and more than just weed.

 

[Hoofbite]

Glad to see this bust. This is our National Forest not a haven for drug dealers.

Just think of how many national forests would be saved if it weren't illegal.

 

[Doomsday101]

Just think of how many national forests would be saved if it weren't illegal.

These groups will still make money selling it. Say we make it legal what size tax do you think would be placed on it? Black market would still be very big and consumers who buy it illegal today would continue to buy it illegal if the given the price is vastly lower

 

[gmoney112]

These groups will still make money selling it. Say we make it legal what size tax do you think would be placed on it? Black market would still be very big and consumers who buy it illegal today would continue to buy it illegal if the given the price is vastly lower

You have no idea what you're talking about.

It's profitable because it's illegal and the market is huge. There wouldn't be "illegal" weed because growers who know what they're doing would gladly incorporate to make a living off their expertise, which is why California had the "Green Rush".

Legal entities providing a plant that grows naturally with sun and water wouldn't only save tax dollars from our government putting college kids in jail for smoking it but drastically reduce the influence the cartels have because weed is their main method of profit.

 

[Hoofbite]

No one in the world does even Amsterdam which has laws regarding weed. You can smoke it at their coffee shops but outside of that there are laws that make it illegal.

I'll just say I do have mixed feeling on it and yes I spent many years getting high and more than just weed.

You can take it home. They don't force you smoke your whole bag right there in the shop.

Like Alcohol, you can use in the shops or take it home.

You can't smoke it on the street or in public restaurants but tobacco use is being restricted in public areas more and more each day. And I have no problem with that. Others shouldn't be subjected to my habits and vice versa. Alcohol stays in a cup and doesn't float around all over the area; that's part of the reason why alcohol is widely accepted in public. You can't go to a bar as a non-drinker and come out smelling like you just got done with a 3-day bender in Vegas. You go into a smoking establishment and within 15 minutes, you smell like a chimney.

Public intoxication will get you into trouble here in the US. Basically the same thing aside for the amount you have to consume to be intoxicated. Some people may need 15 drinks to get wasted but I've never heard of someone needed 15 joints to get stoned.

Gambling, similar. Hell, even more strict. You can't gamble outside of a casino. Online poker was under attack (it still may be) just a couple months ago. I know a couple of guys who had PokerStars accounts with a couple thousand dollars in them and at that time, they were unsure if they would see that money. I don't know if they have yet.

 

[Hoofbite]

These groups will still make money selling it. Say we make it legal what size tax do you think would be placed on it? Black market would still be very big and consumers who buy it illegal today would continue to buy it illegal if the given the price is vastly lower

Meh, I don't think independents could thrive for very long.

We've talked Amsterdam and they have zero problem filling their shops.

Sure, you'll have people who grow at home just as you have people who brew their own beers at him but that segment won't dominate.

The fact that it is illegal is what makes it so profitable. People have to go to great lengths to grow it because the risk is high. So they charge more. In addition, for the user who's using a few times per week they have to buy more quantity than probably would if it were legal because nobody wants to engage in more risky and illegal transactions than they have to.

If cigarettes were illegal, people would probably buy them by the carton from their dealer as opposed to by the pack. Pack a day habit means 30 purchases a month unless you buy in bulk.

Additionally, when you legalize it you make it a social experience. If you can head downtown with a couple of friends, get high and grab some food, taking a trip to the local dealer and heading back home to watch South Park just isn't in the cards.

"Hey, you wanna head over to the smoke shop and try some new product or do you want to go to my creepy ex-dealer's pad and get whatever he has?"

The only way independents could stay in business would be under the same model that local and organic food operations are built on. Providing high quality and pure product.

And then there's the issue of poaching. If you're running your operation on public land, you're losing crop daily from people helping themselves.

Large scale black market operations would be very hard pressed to succeed on the level they do now because they would still be working illegal (either in production or in combination of other sales) and the average person likely wouldn't take that risk IF they didn't have to.

Edit:

I may be pro legalization but I've never smoked weed, not even in Amsterdam. I did try a space cake (or whatever the hell they call them now) when I was there but have never smoked it.

 

[Doomsday101]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

It's profitable because it's illegal and the market is huge. There wouldn't be "illegal" weed because growers who know what they're doing would gladly incorporate to make a living off their expertise, which is why California had the "Green Rush".

Legal entities providing a plant that grows naturally with sun and water wouldn't only save tax dollars from our government putting college kids in jail for smoking it but drastically reduce the influence the cartels have because weed is their main method of profit.

Yeah your right no black market who can under sell what the Government would put in place or the regualtion that would go with it. Get a clue.

Even a product like Cigarettes that have been taxed to increase the price to over 10 dollars a pack is seeing a big rise in the black market. If the Government is going to tax a product to that extent there are people who can sell that same product for much less and people will buy

 

[Doomsday101]

Meh, I don't think independents could thrive for very long.

We've talked Amsterdam and they have zero problem filling their shops.

Sure, you'll have people who grow at home just as you have people who brew their own beers at him but that segment won't dominate.

The fact that it is illegal is what makes it so profitable. People have to go to great lengths to grow it because the risk is high. So they charge more. In addition, for the user who's using a few times per week they have to buy more quantity than probably would if it were legal because nobody wants to engage in more risky and illegal transactions than they have to.

If cigarettes were illegal, people would probably buy them by the carton from their dealer as opposed to by the pack. Pack a day habit means 30 purchases a month unless you buy in bulk.

Additionally, when you legalize it you make it a social experience. If you can head downtown with a couple of friends, get high and grab some food, taking a trip to the local dealer and heading back home to watch South Park just isn't in the cards.

"Hey, you wanna head over to the smoke shop and try some new product or do you want to go to my creepy ex-dealer's pad and get whatever he has?"

The only way independents could stay in business would be under the same model that local and organic food operations are built on. Providing high quality and pure product.

And then there's the issue of poaching. If you're running your operation on public land, you're losing crop daily from people helping themselves.

Large scale black market operations would be very hard pressed to succeed on the level they do now because they would still be working illegal (either in production or in combination of other sales) and the average person likely wouldn't take that risk IF they didn't have to.

Edit:

I may be pro legalization but I've never smoked weed, not even in Amsterdam. I did try a space cake (or whatever the hell they call them now) when I was there but have never smoked it.

There is already a big black market on cigarettes. Your talking a product that is very cheap to make which is why we saw cigarette prices go for 1 dollar a pack to now well over 10 dollars in some states. There is money to be made and people will do it

 

[Hoofbite]

There is already a big black market on cigarettes. Your talking a product that is very cheap to make which is why we saw cigarette prices go for 1 dollar a pack to now well over 10 dollars in some states. There is money to be made and people will do it

I've never once seen a person purchase cigarettes on the black market.

I'm not saying a black market for pot would exist, it just wouldn't be the cash cow it is now and would be reduced in size SIGNIFICANTLY.

 

[Doomsday101]

I've never once seen a person purchase cigarettes on the black market.

I'm not saying a black market for pot would exist, it just wouldn't be the cash cow it is now and would be reduced in size SIGNIFICANTLY.

Because you don't see it does not mean it does not exist. Even something like bootleg music CD account for over 300 million a year in lost revenue.

You will still have illegal activity making money off weed, will it cut into their profits? No doubt. Will there be a market for them to continue to make money? You bet. People do not have a problem now buying weed illegally right now

 

[Concord]

No one in the world does even Amsterdam which has laws regarding weed. You can smoke it at their coffee shops but outside of that there are laws that make it illegal.

I'll just say I do have mixed feeling on it and yes I spent many years getting high and more than just weed.

Very similar to alcohol.

I can drink at a bar...but not outside of that bar...nor drive after drinking at that bar.

I can buy it in a store...but I can't just pop one open outside the store and drive or even walk home with it...I have to wait until I get home.

Some places you can drink and others it's illegal to drink.

Like I said...it can be treated just like alcohol.

 

[Doomsday101]

Very similar to alcohol.

I can drink at a bar...but not outside of that bar...nor drive after drinking at that bar.

I can buy it in a store...but I can't just pop one open outside the store and drive or even walk home with it...I have to wait until I get home.

Some places you can drink and others it's illegal to drink.

Like I said...it can be treated just like alcohol.

True but the illegal elements are not going to go away

An example right now you can buy legal medical Marijuana for $17.14 a gram which puts an oz at 479 dollars. Right now you can get the oz for 120 to 130 oz. Some of the dope smokers I know will go through an oz in a little over a week and no way they can afford 479 an oz of Governments finest. :laugh2:

 

[Cowboy Brian]

True but the illegal elements are not going to go away

An example right now you can buy legal medical Marijuana for $17.14 a gram which puts an oz at 479 dollars. Right now you can get the oz for 120 to 130 oz. Some of the dope smokers I know will go through an oz in a little over a week and no way they can afford 479 an oz of Governments finest. :laugh2:

and people that don't live on weed will rather spend the $479 so its legal.

I remember reading somewhere if Weed was legalized it would balance the budget in 6 states and lower the deficit massively in every one. Jobs increased in sales, farming, marketing, everything. It'd be a huge boom for the economy, and the effect it'll have on other countries psotively due to less drug wars aswell, with less weed fueling other drugs it'll rise prices on other drugs.. Keep them out of hands of kids and addicts that can't afford it.

and that article did not account for saved money on law enforcement, it's probably more like 9, 10 states budgets BALANCED just by legalized weed. I've never once smoked the reefa, but I fully support it's legalization. Republican, Democrat, Communist or Facist you should support a balanced budget and job creation.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Absolute waste of time, money and resources.

Good God enough already.

Grow it, tax it and sell it.

You make a ton of money selling it and save a ton by not fighting the losing Marijuana war.

Agreed. It's a great waste of resources on both ends.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

and people that don't live on weed will rather spend the $479 so its legal.

I remember reading somewhere if Weed was legalized it would balance the budget in 6 states and lower the deficit massively in every one. Jobs increased in sales, farming, marketing, everything. It'd be a huge boom for the economy, and the effect it'll have on other countries psotively due to less drug wars aswell, with less weed fueling other drugs it'll rise prices on other drugs.. Keep them out of hands of kids and addicts that can't afford it.

and that article did not account for saved money on law enforcement, it's probably more like 9, 10 states budgets BALANCED just by legalized weed. I've never once smoked the reefa, but I fully support it's legalization. Republican, Democrat, Communist or Facist you should support a balanced budget and job creation.

With all the jobs we're losing, this would be an excellent way to get the economy growing.

Put a cap on how much anyone can make selling it or make it for personal so at least people don't spend to avoid the penalties for growing.

BTW, no need to smoke it.

But very good argument.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

With all the jobs we're losing, this would be an excellent way to get the economy growing.

Put a cap on how much anyone can make selling it or make it for personal so at least people don't spend to avoid the penalties for growing.

BTW, no need to smoke it.

But very good argument.

I see no better solution to get jobs growing in the economy immediately, I see no negative effects to legalizing it, anyone who wants weed now can find it within moments, online you can go on one of the dozens of popular weed forums and find a local dealer within minutes.

This isn't like the mental new coliseum being built here in Nassau that create 1,500 temp jobs for 400million, this will create millions of jobs and thousands of new business's and make the government money.

Anyone against it is just not using logic. It'll happen, just will take time for a politician willing to take the risk to get it done, and whoever that politician is will eventually be a presidential candidate based upon the success of it.

 

[Rynie]

No one in the world does even Amsterdam which has laws regarding weed. You can smoke it at their coffee shops but outside of that there are laws that make it illegal.

I'll just say I do have mixed feeling on it and yes I spent many years getting high and more than just weed.

When I was in Amsterdam, I "drank coffee" anywhere I felt like it. Even normal bars. We'd get lost...then "drink coffee" on the street corner. Nobody said a single thing. just saying.

 

[urface59]

Drugs are bad, mmmkay? Marijuana, bad, lsd, very bad... mmmkay?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I see no better solution to get jobs growing in the economy immediately, I see no negative effects to legalizing it, anyone who wants weed now can find it within moments, online you can go on one of the dozens of popular weed forums and find a local dealer within minutes.

This isn't like the mental new coliseum being built here in Nassau that create 1,500 temp jobs for 400million, this will create millions of jobs and thousands of new business's and make the government money.

Anyone against it is just not using logic. It'll happen, just will take time for a politician willing to take the risk to get it done, and whoever that politician is will eventually be a presidential candidate based upon the success of it.

What's worse is companies are importing stuff in from Peru and other places. This stuff is fake and is like smoking glue. But you can find this at most local convenient stores.

NO research has been done on it and a vague warning reads "not for human consumption".

Yeah, right.

Thing is, this can't be great for their health. The politicians have it backwards and what you say is on the money.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

When I was in Amsterdam, I "drank coffee" anywhere I felt like it. Even normal bars. We'd get lost...then "drink coffee" on the street corner. Nobody said a single thing. just saying.

Nothing wrong with a little coffee unless you're an alarmist bigot.