Huge pot bust in Northern Calif national forest

[CowboyMcCoy]

The innocence of youth.


No offense taken.

More "innocence of youth" and anyone else's lives are destroyed by alcohol than any drug I can think of.

And it has been doing it for a long time.

If a young person gets drunk they might wreck a car or be promiscuous. They might get sick. And they can die if they drink over x amount.

If a young person has some coffee, they might want to play some videos games, eat and go to sleep. They will never get sick. And they will never die from it.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Gambling, similar. Hell, even more strict. You can't gamble outside of a casino. Online poker was under attack (it still may be) just a couple months ago. I know a couple of guys who had PokerStars accounts with a couple thousand dollars in them and at that time, they were unsure if they would see that money. I don't know if they have yet.

It's illegal to gamble at online poker.

 

[vta]

Sure but it is not going to stop others from illegally selling it, there will still be money that can be made and right now it is not a big deal to buy it illegally, kids do it all the time. I did it all the time in my younger days and did not give it a second thought.

As I mentioned in a post above the medical use comes at a cost over 17 bucks a gram, make it an oz and your talking $479. You may knock off some of the profit for the dealers but there will still be enough money that can be made

They're not concerned with stopping illegal activity, they're concerned with new avenues of taxation. The whole 'legal' and criminal argument is superfluous and not at all the main thrust of the issue. It only seems that way from the stand point of the guy on the street.

The pro cite the futility of stemming the criminal activity, the anti state the morality of it and the lawmakers, money grubbers consider only the income they can gain.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Anyone who is against it is not using logic? :laugh2: You mean your logic. There are positives I don’t doubt that but there are negatives as well.

Oh, c'mon dude. All the money spent on incarcerating someone for wanting to drink a little cup of coffee.

We have much bigger problems, like money!

America go deeper into recession before it helps itself by thinking.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh, c'mon dude. All the money spent on incarcerating someone for wanting to drink a little cup of coffee.

We have much bigger problems, like money!

America go deeper into recession before it helps itself by thinking.

I'm not opposed to it becoming legal I get tired of stoners blowing sunshine up people's *** actling like this is some cure all and there are no negitives. I was smoking weed longer than some here have been alive.

As for incarceration unless you are carrying a lot of weed I don't know of many who will ever go to jail, you have to pay a fine but then that is money in the states pocket. This is not the 1970's when a joint could get you real prison time.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm not opposed to it becoming legal I get tired of stoners blowing sunshine up people's *** actling like this is some cure all and there are no negitives. I was smoking weed longer than some here have been alive.

As for incarceration unless you are carrying a lot of weed I don't know of many who will ever go to jail, you have to pay a fine but then that is money in the states pocket. This is not the 1970's when a joint could get you real prison time.

That's true. But you can get charged with a misdemeanor an get at between 6 months to a year for having between 2-4 ozs. Anything more than that? You're looking at 2 years and even 2-10 in some cases nowadays.

 

[Doomsday101]

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That's true. But you can get charged with a misdemeanor an get at between 6 months to a year for having between 2-4 ozs. Anything more than that? You're looking at 2 years and even 2-10 in some cases nowadays.

You think that is because if your carrying more than an oz they see this as intent to sell? Do you really think even if it was legal there would not be any set amount you could have on you?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Why are you seemingly against it?

Do you think society as a whole would be better or worse after legalization?

Clearly I think the answer is worse. No amount of extra revenue for the government makes it worth doing then.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You think that is because if your carrying more than an oz they see this as intent to sell? Do you really think even if it was legal there would not be any set amount you could have on you?

Yeah, dude, seriously, I would imagine that it could become a real hassle. Coming from someone who doesn't really know much about it. It just seems like that's not very much to have for one person. I get the fact we don't want people starting their own illegal companies. But anything over 4 ozs gets someone prison? And why make it an illegal business when it can be a legal one?

I don't agree with that.

And if it was legal, I think there would and should be laws on how much, but those should be framed so people don't launder money. And the penalties should be derived from not paying your taxes on sales, etc.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Do you think society as a whole would be better or worse after legalization?

Clearly I think the answer is worse. No amount of extra revenue for the government makes it worth doing then.

I think it makes our values better in that we're more tolerant of other people rights and freedoms and as having some inalienable rights and being able to do what we want.

It would create jobs.

It would create less crime.

Those two enough are good for me.

By thinking along your lines, you should be beating down the doors of big tobacco.

Passivity influences us all, I guess.

 

[joseephuss]

Do you think society as a whole would be better or worse after legalization?

Clearly I think the answer is worse. No amount of extra revenue for the government makes it worth doing then.

Neither. I don't think it makes it worse, nor do I think it makes it better.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, dude, seriously, I would imagine that it could become a real hassle. Coming from someone who doesn't really know much about it. It just seems like that's not very much to have for one person. I get the fact we don't want people starting their own illegal companies. But anything over 4 ozs gets someone prison? And why make it an illegal business when it can be a legal one?

I don't agree with that.

And if it was legal, I think there would and should be laws on how much, but those should be framed so people don't launder money. And the penalties should be derived from not paying your taxes on sales, etc.

That is about a qrt pound, people carrying that much are not doing so for personal consumption. So yes I'm being serious. As I said I do have a lot of experience (nothing to brag about) and I know that is a load of BS

 

[Doomsday101]

I think it makes our values better in that we're more tolerant of other people rights and freedoms and as having some inalienable rights and being able to do what we want.

It would create jobs.

It would create less crime.

Those two enough are good for me.

By thinking along your lines, you should be beating down the doors of big tobacco.

Passivity influences us all, I guess.

It would be great if people stood up and acted responsible but so many don't and the rest have to pay for their sorry lives. We call it harmless and in many ways it is but why is that a millionaire athlete would risk his career over something so harmless if it were not a problem?

Frankly I would be more inclined pass legislation to make it legal if we were not a country of excuses for people inability to control themselves.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It would be great if people stood up and acted responsible but so many don't and the rest have to pay for their sorry lives. We call it harmless and in many ways it is but why is that a millionaire athlete would risk his career over something so harmless if it were not a problem?

The nature of this is misleading. Of course you know some has to do with how long it takes your body to rid itself of a detectable amount.

Frankly I would be more included to be for legislation if we were not a country of excuses for people inability to control themselves.

Who says you can't drink coffee and be in control? Even alcohol, I've seen some people drink responsibly. But no, people don't always.

What are stoners guilty of? Eating too much?

I read posts about Mexico being dangerous from drug cartels. The numbers were somewhere in 3,000 a years.

Tobacco kills millions a year!

Alcohol kills more than drug cartels!

So logic would tell you, don't stay away from Mexico. Stay away from the convenient store.

 

[Longboysfan]

Geeezzzzz.

One of the few Cash Crops left growing in America.

 

[Longboysfan]

Nothing wrong with a little coffee unless you're an alarmist bigot.

Do they have Caffine Free Coffee over there......

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

That is about a qrt pound, people carrying that much are not doing so for personal consumption. So yes I'm being serious. As I said I do have a lot of experience (nothing to brag about) and I know that is a load of BS

It's OK. We've had these discussions before. I just don't think having a quarter lb of a harmless substance should be a crime.

10lbs, perhaps something like you say that is illegal in its own right...simply because it doesn't go through the whole capitalism process. But that's another story in itself.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Do they have Caffine Free Coffee over there......

Yeah, down here in Texas they do.

 

[Hoofbite]

Do you think society as a whole would be better or worse after legalization?

Clearly I think the answer is worse. No amount of extra revenue for the government makes it worth doing then.

Worse how?

 

[Vtwin]

That is about a qrt pound, people carrying that much are not doing so for personal consumption. So yes I'm being serious. As I said I do have a lot of experience (nothing to brag about) and I know that is a load of BS

Some of the dope smokers I know will go through an oz in a little over a week

And then there is the guy who takes three hits after work but has a QP that he grew in his freezer which will last him a year or more.