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[Eddie]

Losing is for losers

 

[jazzcat22]

17, and his fall to 17 was a huge surprise.

Right and some on here are now acting like because he has pouting issues.

 

[garyo1954]

I'm a huge Landry fan. However there were seasons he did not field a competitive team. He was not fired because there was a lot of talent on the team but somehow the team was losing. The last 3 years of Landry's career the team was below .500 and trending down. Also it took him 5 or 6 years before the Cowboys were above .500 and the team went on a long run with making the playoffs.

Keep splitting hairs.

From 65 to 85 never had a losing record, even in the three years he missed the playoffs (8-6, 9-5, 7-7).

But if you choose to focus on the first six expansion years and the last three years it's your choice.

 

[viman96]

Keep splitting hairs.

From 65 to 85 never had a losing record, even in the three years he missed the playoffs (8-6, 9-5, 7-7).

But if you choose to focus on the first six expansion years and the last three years it's your choice.

You said, "never failed to field a competitive team, or lacked for talent". I just pointed out your statement is not factual. It is ok Landry had bad years. It does not take anything from his amazing NFL career.

 

[garyo1954]

You said, "never failed to field a competitive team, or lacked for talent". I just pointed out your statement is not factual. It is ok Landry had bad years. It does not take anything from his amazing NFL career.

You win splitting hairs wars.

Congratulations on your, "I can find some trivial point to argue about" award.

 

[nobody]

Get off the Dak hatred bro. It's got nothing to do with Dak. Regardless of who is at QB, if you already have 7 losses halfway through the season, you pretty much are not going to make the playoffs. Might as well lose out and secure a top 8 draft pick in each round.

It wasn't about Dak hatred. It was an honest question because you created a post earlier in the season blasting Dak, then went back to zealously supporting him despite his penchant for choking. You're usually a "let's win it" all the time kind of guy, yet suddenly a certain player goes down and it's "TANK BABY!". I was curious is all. I would agree with you about the wins/losses, but I also know it won't matter either way because the main issue is still there. Jerry and son. They get the final say on who we draft. Look at what they did this off-season. They ran it back and didn't get help in free agency when we desperately needed it. So is picking a few slots earlier really going to change things? No.

 

[America's Cowboy]

It wasn't about Dak hatred. It was an honest question because you created a post earlier in the season blasting Dak, then went back to zealously supporting him despite his penchant for choking. I was curious is all. I would agree with you about the wins/losses, but I also know it won't matter either way because the main issue is still there. Jerry and son. They get the final say on who we draft. Look at what they did this off-season. They ran it back and didn't get help in free agency when we desperately needed it. So is picking a few slots earlier really going to change things? No.

How did Dak choke against a very good team in the Steelers in Pittsburg early this season? Dak carried the team and pulled a 4th quarter come-from-behind winning drive. That in itself proves you wrong about Dak being a choker against good teams.

 

[5Stars]

How did Dak choke against a very good team in the Steelers in Pittsburg early this season? Dak carried the team and pulled a 4th quarter come-from-behind winning drive. That in itself proves you wrong about Dak being a choker against good teams.

Two times? Awesome...! Tell us another story, please.

 

[nobody]

How did Dak choke against a very good team in the Steelers in Pittsburg early this season? Dak carried the team and pulled a 4th quarter come-from-behind winning drive. That in itself proves you wrong about Dak being a choker against good teams.

I said penchant for choking, not he chokes every single game. Ooh, one game in the regular season. Yeah, he's a football god. I always maintained he was a good regular season QB or are you conveniently ignoring that? Hey, how did he do against Green Bay in the playoffs? How did he do against SF twice in the playoffs? Exactly. And this year, aside from the Steelers game, he has looked horrible. With the same players, Rush is looking about the same or even a little better. That's inexplicable because Dak is usually a much better QB than Rush. Dak is cooked. Better get used to that. He was mentally a choker and now is physically declining. It is what it is.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Two times? Awesome...! Tell us another story, please.

It's much more than that, and you know it. Just admit you are wrong. I dare you to do what is right.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I said penchant for choking, not he chokes every single game. Ooh, one game in the regular season. Yeah, he's a football god. I always maintained he was a good regular season QB or are you conveniently ignoring that? Hey, how did he do against Green Bay in the playoffs? How did he do against SF twice in the playoffs? Exactly. And this year, aside from the Steelers game, he has looked horrible. With the same players, Rush is looking about the same or even a little better. That's inexplicable because Dak is usually a much better QB than Rush. Dak is cooked. Better get used to that. He was mentally a choker and now is physically declining. It is what it is.

Dak has won much more than 1 game in the regular season against above .500 teams. Should I name those games in recent years while making you look bad, or would you prefer to admit you are wrong about calling him a choker against good teams?

 

[5Stars]

Make Curt and Cole do it instead...you're just fluff.

 

[nobody]

Dak has won much more than 1 game in the regular season against above .500 teams. Should I name those games in recent years while making you look bad, or would you prefer to admit you are wrong about calling him a choker against good teams?

LOL. When I said one game, I meant in the current season, or was that hard to parse out in your rage that someone dared critique Dak? You completely ignored me saying I always said Dak was a good regular season QB over the years. It was in my last reply, yet you're arguing about regular season wins. How's his playoff record? Oh yeah, he CHOKES. 3 years in a row. But continue to talk about his regular season record when I've always been on record as saying he's a good regular season QB (though he has struggled at times vs good defenses, as do all QBs). (Except this year, where he has SUCKED in the regular season). But continue to argue the wrong point if you want to. It only makes you look fanatical and dishonest.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Cavanaugh/Braoddus both say it is GREAT to win meaningless games but this is hurting the team overall.

The idiot owner and his son are hurting the son far worse.

#2 on the list is the $60M man and his deal.

 

[plasticman]

The Kansas City Chiefs have drafted in the top half once in the past ten years.

There have been teams that drafted in the top five for almost a decade and couldn't win a wildcard round.

The problem with the Cowboys is not talent and talent cannot heal the real problem.

Overall, this team lacks the unwavering commitment, dedication and focus that it takes to build and maintain a consistent contender from the very top of the organization on down.

The organizational structure is deeply flawed and often chaotic. It is not based on ability, experience, or talent. It is based on nepotism and personal ego.

The traditional sources of authority, the GM and HC, have been usurped by an owner with no credentials or proof that ever indicated a probability of success.

Until the organizational chart is returned to a more traditional form, with a qualified GM running football operations, you can draft as many top picks as you like and it won't make a difference.

 

[America's Cowboy]

LOL. When I said one game, I meant in the current season, or was that hard to parse out in your rage that someone dared critique Dak? You completely ignored me saying I always said Dak was a good regular season QB over the years. It was in my last reply, yet you're arguing about regular season wins. How's his playoff record? Oh yeah, he CHOKES. 3 years in a row. But continue to talk about his regular season record when I've always been on record as saying he's a good regular season QB (though he has struggled at times vs good defenses, as do all QBs). (Except this year, where he has SUCKED in the regular season). But continue to argue the wrong point if you want to. It only makes you look fanatical and dishonest.

Rage? That's you with your lies and CAPITAL LETTERS.

Once again, more lies from you just like the rest of the Dak haters.

 

[Blackrain]

If they had competent people in charge tanking would be worth it but with the low IQ inbred family it really doesn't matter. Draft 8th or draft 15th you know they'll find a way to waste the pick plus the loser culture is well established and here to stay, no player is changing that. Let the short-sighted instant gratification junky kool-aid drinking fans have they fun while it lasts, this team is doomed anyway.

Well said

 

[Streifenkarl]

So they are team tank ... they do not know or understand competitive sports. Like many fans.

So fans want players and a FO and coaches that give up on the season. Many players are playing for new contracts with Dallas, or another team. As well as pride.
Also many players have contract incentives.
I remember years ago, a player needed a certain percentage of plays to get like a $500,000 bonus. Dallas was out of the playoffs. But Jerry and the coaches wanted that player to play to get that bonus.

Drafting 8th or 15th is not going to put this team in the SB.

I do not want a team or players that quits.

Whatever man...

There are too many people on these boards judging other fans. It's not just the Daksters anymore.

I am a fan. I'm not a coach, not a player and not in the staff of the Dallas Cowboys. I can say what I think is right for the team without having to fear about my job, consider locker room atmosphere or hurt anyone's feelings.

This team sucks. And it has sucked during the 12 win seasons. And of course before that too. Basically ever since the late 90s. Despite having their moments and being able to put up big numbers most of these guys fail when it really matters. Whether that's the culture, the skillsets, the priorities, the playbook... they suck.

Why? Because the way the NFL is structured anything but winning the Superbowl can't be a goal or a strategy. So every team should aim for only that.

The Cowboys aren't build that way. The fact that the backup QB can keep them in the season (happened once, may happen again) is plain and simple proof of that. The way they win against bottom feeders but fail against contenders is proof of that. The nonsense they let them occupy their minds with between games is proof of that (podcasts etc).

This team screams mediocrity like no other. So back to me as a fan. I know they can win games. They have proven that. I also have an opinion what could lead us to a Superbowl. And this season after that phenomenal 3-5 start it's not more wins. It's a big overhaul, a big restart. They did that partially with the offensive line, CBs are good too. And the kicker. Everything else also needs a rebuild.

And this can't happen with mid tear draft picks, or a head coach who calls 5 bad games a year. Or a QB who can't perform against the best defenses.

So long story short, I know they wanna win every game so they won't tank on purpose. Yet I can also see that as the better way for a long term success. I don't care about those wins. Especially when it's an atrocity like the one against the Giants. Cavanaugh/Braoddus basically picked my brain. That's exactly how I feel.

And I'm not telling others how to feel about them. If you love those wins, good for you. I'm not gonna rain on your parade. But I'm still gonna voice my opinion here on this public forum you seem to supervise. And that's not against the rules the last time I checked.

 

[ClintDagger]

So they are team tank ... they do not know or understand competitive sports. Like many fans.

So fans want players and a FO and coaches that give up on the season. Many players are playing for new contracts with Dallas, or another team. As well as pride.
Also many players have contract incentives.
I remember years ago, a player needed a certain percentage of plays to get like a $500,000 bonus. Dallas was out of the playoffs. But Jerry and the coaches wanted that player to play to get that bonus.

Drafting 8th or 15th is not going to put this team in the SB.

I do not want a team or players that quits.

You definitely don’t want players or coaches that quit. However I do think you want a FO whose ultimate goal is to win a championship and has a plan as to how to go about that. This organization should have switched from win now mode to win in the future mode once Dak went down. CeeDee is banged up, Ferg is banged up, Micah is banged up. Shut those guys down. Let Fluornoy, Turpin, Mingo develop. See what you have in Schoon. Let Overshown get experience as the top guy out there. On top of that start Lance. All of this will build up your role players and reduce mileage on your stars and your draft position improves at the same time. The kinds of players this team needs (DL, OT, QB) are usually hard to find if you don’t draft top 10. This team can bounce back really quickly with a good HC hire and drafting well.

 

[jazzcat22]

Whatever man...

There are too many people on these boards judging other fans. It's not just the Daksters anymore.

I am a fan. I'm not a coach, not a player and not in the staff of the Dallas Cowboys. I can say what I think is right for the team without having to fear about my job, consider locker room atmosphere or hurt anyone's feelings.

This team sucks. And it has sucked during the 12 win seasons. And of course before that too. Basically ever since the late 90s. Despite having their moments and being able to put up big numbers most of these guys fail when it really matters. Whether that's the culture, the skillsets, the priorities, the playbook... they suck.

Why? Because the way the NFL is structured anything but winning the Superbowl can't be a goal or a strategy. So every team should aim for only that.

The Cowboys aren't build that way. The fact that the backup QB can keep them in the season (happened once, may happen again) is plain and simple proof of that. The way they win against bottom feeders but fail against contenders is proof of that. The nonsense they let them occupy their minds with between games is proof of that (podcasts etc).

This team screams mediocrity like no other. So back to me as a fan. I know they can win games. They have proven that. I also have an opinion what could lead us to a Superbowl. And this season after that phenomenal 3-5 start it's not more wins. It's a big overhaul, a big restart. They did that partially with the offensive line, CBs are good too. And the kicker. Everything else also needs a rebuild.

And this can't happen with mid tear draft picks, or a head coach who calls 5 bad games a year. Or a QB who can't perform against the best defenses.

So long story short, I know they wanna win every game so they won't tank on purpose. Yet I can also see that as the better way for a long term success. I don't care about those wins. Especially when it's an atrocity like the one against the Giants. Cavanaugh/Braoddus basically picked my brain. That's exactly how I feel.

And I'm not telling others how to feel about them. If you love those wins, good for you. I'm not gonna rain on your parade. But I'm still gonna voice my opinion here on this public forum you seem to supervise. And that's not against the rules the last time I checked.

No one said you couldn't voice your opinion.