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[viman96]

I can see both sides....

Tom Landry drafted near the bottom almost every year but never failed to field a competitive team, or lacked for talent.

Then there are teams that pick high year after year and never seem to amass enough talent to get to the next level.

On the other side sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war.

So you pick your side and hope you made the right choice.

I'm a huge Landry fan. However there were seasons he did not field a competitive team. He was not fired because there was a lot of talent on the team but somehow the team was losing. The last 3 years of Landry's career the team was below .500 and trending down. Also it took him 5 or 6 years before the Cowboys were above .500 and the team went on a long run with making the playoffs.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

So fans want players and a FO and coaches that give up on the season.

No they do not. This is a fundamental misunderstanding.

It makes perfect sense to hope that the players and coaches lose games, even while trying their hardest, in a lost season. This team is bad enough that they will lose against most teams that aren’t awful anyways.

This team needs to restock, and a higher draft pick will aid in that mission.

If they win, I am happy because I like to see them win, if they lose, I’m not mad because it improves our draft position.

Hit on a few good players in the draft and do something, anything, in free agency and Dallas can win 10+ again.

 

[TwentyOne]

Cavanaugh/Braoddus both say it is GREAT to win meaningless games but this is hurting the team overall. The offense is poor and lacks scoring ability.

"So while short-term Dallas fans wants wins now, hurts the future team. Dallas is playing their way out of better players."

Then they both stated: "Dallas has a phobia with DL. If you taken Hutchinson instead of Taco, you have a better taste with Michigan players"

Broddus is right.

Problem is we are not a good drafting team. It doesnt matter where we draft. We are noit able to find talent on a constant basis. Or enough to make this a good team.

So to think not winning will make us better in the future is wrong. Our FO is plain bad. With bad decission makers you are not going anywhere.

 

[DCCowboys11]

They really need to pick as high as they can in each round, or be able to trade down and still pick some of the top players. The Dak contract is the worst in football and they won’t be able to sign quality free agents, even if they wanted to. They may also have trouble keeping some quality players. They will really be restricted going forward with Dak and CeDee.

 

[Cowboys5217]

what do you expect a player to do, fumble, not jump on a fumble, not score a TD, Aubrey to miss deliberately?

"Tanking" is an online dream preached by non-competitive people who likely never played anything more than houseleague.

This isn't a hard concept. You bench starters and play back ups when you want to tank. You also trade starters for more picks.

All you have to do is actually pay attention to teams that clearly tanked in the past.

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

Totally agree with them.

Sad how so many refuse to understand basic understanding or have common sense.

So are they supposed to just tell the other team prior to the kick off that they are tanking and just not take the field ??

Only a Moron refuses to understand basic understanding or have common sense when it comes to pro sports

 

[75boyz]

All depends on your personal big picture perception of drafting high and how you came to be drafting that high.
Of course you hafta hit on your high picks when you can.

But losing in '88 and '89 shaped a pretty decent haul of high picks and future team success"along with" the Herschel trade.

Losing in 2015 made 2016's draft as shaping a decent near future with Dak and Zeke although many regret the Zeke pick that high.

I've always taken it from a pure numbers and opportunities standpoint.
The higher and more picks in each round provides "possible" future team success if your draft/scout team know what they're doing.

So it boils down to are ya willing to suffer 2 to 3 poor seasons at the risk of netting very high picks towards future success.
The Lions sure seem to have finally capitalized on this type scenario this year.
So, I guess it depends on the confidence you have in who's doing the picking I guess.
Pretty much mixed reviews around here depending on who ya talk to.

 

[fivetwos]

Would someone please explain why a coaching staff would purposely put losses on their own record to move up a few slots in the draft for picks they probably won’t even be around to make?

Every snap a player has is on tape and their pay is fully based on that. How or why would they not give full effort?

“Tanking” is a fan thing. Nothing more.

 

[HungryLion]

Why wouldn't a fan wanting to win games, not be cool? I get the tanking for a higher pick crowd, don't blame them, i guess...I just hope we don't get another Trey Lance or someone like that. Actually, it probably wouldn't matter who we draft, they call him a bust after his first bad game.

No I agree. It’s perfectly fine to want to win games. There’s only a finite number of games per year after all. And the off season feels like an eternity.

 

[McKDaddy]

Only fans care about what fans want. The coaches and players play for money. They have huge incentives to win and play well. They are all playing for bonuses and future contracts.

But the key that folks are overlooking is that tanking is an organization decision. Not players.

A strong organization takes an honest assessment and determines they are not competitive or would not be competitive even if they somehow made the playoffs. The players aren't held accountable because it's a management decision. Miraculously players are hurt or have greatly reduced roles, etc.. Those who do play are just trying to protect themselves & get to the finish line.

We have a "hangin round the rim" GM so we won't be doing that and thus foregoing easiest, fastest path to address the numerous deficiencies we have.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

So they are team tank ... they do not know or understand competitive sports. Like many fans.

So fans want players and a FO and coaches that give up on the season. Many players are playing for new contracts with Dallas, or another team. As well as pride.
Also many players have contract incentives.
I remember years ago, a player needed a certain percentage of plays to get like a $500,000 bonus. Dallas was out of the playoffs. But Jerry and the coaches wanted that player to play to get that bonus.

Drafting 8th or 15th is not going to put this team in the SB.

I do not want a team or players that quits.

I can’t root against these guys. We all make jokes but it’s awesome seeing mazi become something. What am I gonna see turpin just our a sick 360 soon and boo him as he runs for a 100 yd touchdown ?

 

[Redsfan_83]

Tanking is not going to fix everything. It sends a message to possible players to not come here.

How many times do I need to say it…..COMPETITIVE SPIRIT ….

You think tanking is the reason nobody wants to come here? We weren't tanking last year, Henry wanted to come....and where we are! Tanking fixes everything if you have the brain trust that can do it properly, I don't need to provide examples of this, do I? As long as your owner could care less about being competitive and winning, that sends a loud enough message for not only players, but for coaches to avoid this team like the plague that it is

 

[nobody]

You explain to the team why it's important to tank and secure a top 10 pick. It's to help the team out much better in the draft.

But what about those guys in their last year of their rookie contract who are trying to secure a better one? What about the vets who it might be their last year? What about the culture of losing constant losing engenders? Do you really think they'd be okay with going out there and risking their health knowing they're intentionally tanking? Now, I understand your point and at times, I agree with it, but I also see the other side's point. Given our front office and the 30 years of evidence, there's no way I'd trust these guys to make all of the right decisions in the draft so much that drafting a little earlier would turn everything around.

Would an earlier draft pick help? Sure, some. Is it a cure all? Absolutely not given the front office track record.

Be honest: if the team were still doing this bad, but Dak was in as QB, would you still be clamoring for a tank or would you be rooting for wins? (This is an honest question, not an accusation)

 

[CCBoy]

If they had competent people in charge tanking would be worth it but with the low IQ inbred family it really doesn't matter. Draft 8th or draft 15th you know they'll find a way to waste the pick plus the loser culture is well established and here to stay, no player is changing that. Let the short-sighted instant gratification junky kool-aid drinking fans have they fun while it lasts, this team is doomed anyway.

So this is all figured out...Oh. Not the football that Ranching and I know and I go back to 1960.

Even Vickings were fighters and traders.

In free agency retain Cook to rebuild the Red Zone or pay for a top and expensive Defensive Tackle. Fix the defense or red zone by paying for it up front in the off season.

Then best man available in the next draft....not crying in the mean time.

Would you invest in CB Forbes, a first rounder just released in Washington, to learn in Dallas now?

 

[gtb1943]

I'm a huge Landry fan. However there were seasons he did not field a competitive team. He was not fired because there was a lot of talent on the team but somehow the team was losing. The last 3 years of Landry's career the team was below .500 and trending down. Also it took him 5 or 6 years before the Cowboys were above .500 and the team went on a long run with making the playoffs.

clearly NOT a huge Landry fan at all since you leave out a lot of things
LIKE starting out as an expansion team that did not get a Draft- NEVER happened before or since
Had to compete with the AFL for talent that first year and the years after that
and you want to whine that it took him until 1965 to field a team that was playoff capable?

You ALSO leave out that once Bum Bright bought the team he cut spending for both scouting and coaches salaries and that had a real effect in his last years

Like I said you are NOT a big Landry fan at all

 

[cowboys1732]

I wonder if some of these posters would still be screaming for them to tank if QB1 was still playing? Not that it should matter. You play to win. Playing not to win games is absolutely crazy. You would lose your team and players by intentionally losing. Some of the players you are trying to build with in the future.

Trading all of your best players away for draft picks, tanking to better your draft pick…go play madden and get it out of your system.

 

[calicowboy54]

Cavanaugh/Braoddus both say it is GREAT to win meaningless games but this is hurting the team overall. The offense is poor and lacks scoring ability.

"So while short-term Dallas fans wants wins now, hurts the future team. Dallas is playing their way out of better players."

Then they both stated: "Dallas has a phobia with DL. If you taken Hutchinson instead of Taco, you have a better taste with Michigan players"

it’s ok we are going to only win 1 more game the rest of the year.

 

[viman96]

clearly NOT a huge Landry fan at all since you leave out a lot of things
LIKE starting out as an expansion team that did not get a Draft- NEVER happened before or since
Had to compete with the AFL for talent that first year and the years after that
and you want to whine that it took him until 1965 to field a team that was playoff capable?

You ALSO leave out that once Bum Bright bought the team he cut spending for both scouting and coaches salaries and that had a real effect in his last years

Like I said you are NOT a big Landry fan at all

It is clear you did not read the message I quoted. The bolded text is not true. Landry had several teams that lacked talent and were not competitive.

"Tom Landry drafted near the bottom almost every year but never failed to field a competitive team, or lacked for talent."

 

[CyberB0b]

Sad how many do not understand what I posted above.

COMPETITIVE SPIRIT.

Do you want a team that tells the players to quit just to get 2 slots higher in the draft.

They’re competitive with the worst team in the league, so they have that going for them.

 

[morat1959]

Yes it matters and they draft very well.

I think you just post this stuff to get blowback. You know better than a lot of the stuff you post. This organization has been destroyed by JJ and Co. They should rename the team the participation trophy JJs.