Hutchinson looks terrible

[Hostile]

I hated them both, do I get to thump my chest?
And we are making the same mistake yet once again.
Strike three, so to speak. :bang2:

I didn't hate either one but I never tried to rationalize either of them as a good QB, because they weren't. I've never seen so much hype for mediocrity and so many excuses why mediocroty was acceptable.

 

[blindzebra]

Well said, I wasn't trying to thump my chest, just stating the facts. Nobody seems to give Qc the credit to this day that he at least took us to the post-season and the fact that he did develop into a decent QB. Even if it was a back up QB caliber development. I still don't agree with that though. Hutch to this day still has not developed into a decent QB and I'm really not trying to funny when saying that. QC went from a guy that couldn't even throw a spriral, not being able to read a defense, being labeled a run first QB into a decent down the field thrower and a playoff QB. Hutch, even after 3 years in the league is still plagued with his same faults. He fumbles on contact as he did last week and still makes bad decisions in the passing game. I'm not trying to start a flame thread, but that is really how I see it.

Is he a Cowboy?

Is Carter even in the NFL?

How does the way you see it have anything to do with the current Dallas Cowboys?

The falls under who gives a crap, IMO.

 

[50cent]

I didn't think you were thumping your chest. If I did I'd have responded to your post too. You didn't tell people they ought to apologize. If you say that I will think you're thumping your chest. Over nothing too BTW. Let the record show both were poor choices.

I respectfully disagree with you. I don't think Qc was a bad choice at all. I do if there was proof that JJ and our organization had previous knowledge of his drug past and still decided to over look it. He wasn't expected to do much and was considered a development even though he was drafted too early, but the guy despite all of his flews and critics, fought through things and lead this team to the playoffs. I'm strictly speaking about what he did on the field.

 

[50cent]

Is he a Cowboy?

Is Carter even in the NFL?

How does the way you see it have anything to do with the current Dallas Cowboys?

The falls under who gives a crap, IMO.

You just wasted about 2 minutes of your life by replying then. Just move on and let those that like to debate about this go on with respect. Not everybody wants to discuss what BZ wants to. It doesn't have to be a flame thread when someone brings up QC or Hutch. We talk about old cowboys everyday, we don't have to relegated to only talking about the greats.

 

[Hostile]

I respectfully disagree with you. I don't think Qc was a bad choice at all. I do if there was proof that JJ and our organization had previous knowledge of his drug past and still decided to over look it. He wasn't expected to do much and was considered a development even though he was drafted too early, but the guy despite all of his flews and critics, fought through things and lead this team to the playoffs. I'm strictly speaking about what he did on the field.

So was I. He was awful.

 

[The30YardSlant]

So was I. He was awful.

He was better than Henson

 

[Hostile]

He was better than Henson

How would you know? Henson hasn't had 30+ games to compare to.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I say him and Henson are in the same boat, and that's sad as Chad has 2 more years on Henson...

 

[blindzebra]

You just wasted about 2 minutes of your life by replying then. Just move on and let those that like to debate about this go on with respect. Not everybody wants to discuss what BZ wants to. It doesn't have to be a flame thread when someone brings up QC or Hutch. We talk about old cowboys everyday, we don't have to relegated to only talking about the greats.

BS.

Any QC or Hutch thread is done knowing there will be a reaction, and nobody wants to debate it.

You got reactions period and just two kinds:

Like minded posters joined in on the Hutch sucks bash.

Others called you on the fact that this serves no purpose and has nothing to do with the current Cowboys and will only get moved to the opinion zone once the flaming begins.

 

[The30YardSlant]

How would you know? Henson hasn't had 30+ games to compare to.

He looked better in his second year than Henson does. Carter played 2-3 games his rookie, didnt have much more experiance than Henson at the time.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Im sorry Hostile. Quincy, on the field, was not as bad as your making him out to be. Your letting his off the field problems cloud your opinion of the way he played. If he was "awful" New York wouldn't of trusted him to be Pennington's backup during a playoff year. Just my opinion. I don't want to get into a heated debate about it with you or anything, so its the only thing I'll say about it.

 

[Ken]

Heck,
Carter was so "awful" that JJ just said the other day that he underestimated the impact of not having him last year would have.

He was a good qb, who was getting better. Other teams fans started to realize it as well. I have hard core football fans that I work with who mocked him and then said he was a pretty good qb.

I guess if you have an agenda than you can't see the progress he made. Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, etc. didn't have anything on him as far as production.

 

[gbrittain]

Heck,
Carter was so "awful" that JJ just said the other day that he underestimated the impact of not having him last year would have.

He was a good qb, who was getting better. Other teams fans started to realize it as well. I have hard core football fans that I work with who mocked him and then said he was a pretty good qb.

I guess if you have an agenda than you can't see the progress he made. Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, etc. didn't have anything on him as far as production.

Quincy is gone. He will never play for the Cowboys again. As a matter of fact he will be lucky to play in the NFL again.

 

[ghst187]

I think the C vs H debate was more due to folks choosing their poison...
they both stunk but everyone thought one stunk less.
I don't think anyone on here said either was gonna get us to a SB....

 

[Hostile]

He looked better in his second year than Henson does. Carter played 2-3 games his rookie, didnt have much more experiance than Henson at the time.

If I were you, I'd go back to the stat book, take a closer look and re-think this. You missed way too many facts.

 

[Hostile]

Im sorry Hostile. Quincy, on the field, was not as bad as your making him out to be. Your letting his off the field problems cloud your opinion of the way he played. If he was "awful" New York wouldn't of trusted him to be Pennington's backup during a playoff year. Just my opinion. I don't want to get into a heated debate about it with you or anything, so its the only thing I'll say about it.

No, I'm not, but thanks.

I don' care what he did off the field. Never did. In fact, before the drug allegations if you go back and look you'll find I was quite complimentary of him.

 

[Hostile]

Heck,
Carter was so "awful" that JJ just said the other day that he underestimated the impact of not having him last year would have.

He was a good qb, who was getting better. Other teams fans started to realize it as well. I have hard core football fans that I work with who mocked him and then said he was a pretty good qb.

I guess if you have an agenda than you can't see the progress he made. Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, etc. didn't have anything on him as far as production.

I've heard all this before.

Go ahead and label me a "hater." You get the last word. I still say both were mediocre at best.

 

[Ken]

I've heard all this before.

Go ahead and label me a "hater." You get the last word. I still say both were mediocre at best.

I can see Q being mediocre, but Hutch is just poor.

Never has been average.

Other than that, we can agree.

 

[silverbear]

Just for the record, here are Hutch's updated stats for this preseason:

42 attempts... 20 completions... 47.6 completion percentage... 211 yards... 5.0 yards per attempt... 0 TDs... 4 INTs... 23.1 quarterback rating...

This after putting up a QBR of ZERO tonight...

I wonder if Lovie Smith will continue to tell the media that Hutch is his guy?? If so, the CoachKiller will claim his second victim (Bruce Freakin' Coslet being his first victim)...

The jury is no longer out, Hutch sucks, and he has very little chance of showing significant improvement... he simply doesn't belong in the NFL...

And to think, I once thought he'd be a good fit in a West Coast offense... the truth is, put him in a system tailor made for his skills, behind a dominating offensive line, and he'd still fall some short of mediocre...

Also note for the record that while I was once one of the foremost Quincy backers, I washed my hands of him the day I discovered he couldn't stay away from the bong... all the talent in the world (and I STILL think I saw a Steve McNair-esque ability in him) doesn't make a bit of difference if he can't discipline himself enough to forego the pleasure of recreational herbs...

 

[50cent]

BS.

Any QC or Hutch thread is done knowing there will be a reaction, and nobody wants to debate it.

You got reactions period and just two kinds:

Like minded posters joined in on the Hutch sucks bash.

Others called you on the fact that this serves no purpose and has nothing to do with the current Cowboys and will only get moved to the opinion zone once the flaming begins.

So basically what your saying is that we as Cowboys fans are only permitted to talk about the current Cowboys. Well if this is the case, I never want to see another thread about Emmitt, Troy, Wright, White, or any of our famed Boys. If all we are able to debate about are the famous Cowboys and other teams current players, then that is BS my friend. Although I doubt very serious that this forum is only about current Cowboys. I think these are your rules and you don't want to discuss QC or Hutch. So leave and don't reply. If it is moved then it is moved. However, I will and others will discuss whatever we please and not just what BZ wants us to discuss. So on with the Hutch is horrible discussion as well as the Merriman is a problem thread or TO is a jerk thread and any other thread that has nothing to do with the current Cowboys.