Hypothetical ... If Garrett was coach of the Pats

[Common Sense]

Well we did have a moral victory over Denver.

I guess that's our signature win for the year

Garrett has more moral victories than the Patriots have Super Bowl victories since Spygate. Take that, Belichick!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've been asking this question lately.

When was the last time anyone felt or said, "man, Garrett really out coached the other guy this week. His schemes really gave the other team a hard time."?

Honest question.

Pittsburgh last year I think it was.

 

[JackWagon]

Jerry would just make Bellicheck mad and he would quit just like Parcells.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

11-5, 10-6, 14-2, 13-3, 12-4 and now 7-3, those are the Pats records since spygate, with a SB appearance and a championship game. He has done this with a ridiculous player turnover rate, have you seen their receivers this year? The man is a great head coach, probably top 5 all time.

What games are you watching?

With one of best quarterbacks of all time. Also with more talented roster overall.

The point is as a fanbase we'd probably be cruscifying him for going on 6 years without being able to win since spygate.

We'd have threads wondering about the availability of Ed Oregeron.

 

[Plankton]

What was the last meaningful post spygate game the Pats have won?

The Patriots won two AFC Championships in that span, and have made the playoffs in all but one season (and, in that season, went 10-6 without Brady).

Or, in other words, one more Super Bowl appearance than Cowboy playoff wins in that span, and two more Super Bowl appearances than Jason Garrett has playoff berths.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The Patriots won two AFC Championships in that span, and have made the playoffs in all but one season (and, in that season, went 10-6 without Brady).

Or, in other words, one more Super Bowl appearance than Cowboy playoff wins in that span, and two more Super Bowl appearances than Jason Garrett has playoff berths.

Nobody is denying that the Patriots have experienced more success than we have over the last decade.

Bill has accomplished what without Brady? How did he do at Cleveland?

Our stupid fanbase would have run him out of town.

 

[Doomsay]

Yet, another stupid fanbase moment.

 

[Plankton]

Nobody is denying that the Patriots have experienced more success than we have over the last decade.

Bill has accomplished what without Brady? How did he do at Cleveland?

Our stupid fanbase would have run him out of town.

You also uttered the gem questioning what significant win the Patriots had since Spygate broke (which was after Week One in 2007).

They won two AFC Championship games. Are those not significant, or have the goal posts moved in the Belichick argument?

 

[Doomsay]

You also uttered the gem questioning what significant win the Patriots had since Spygate broke (which was after Week One in 2007).

They won two AFC Championship games. Are those not significant, or have the goal posts moved in the Belichick argument?

LOL...and lost 2 super bowls with last second improbable catches + trebled our 16 year playoff win total in those 2 seasons..... Shame on Belichick.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It would have been nice if Bill won some super bowls here...too bad the fans would have been calling for his head after this 1st season.

 

[links18]

It would have been nice if Bill won some super bowls here...too bad the fans would have been calling for his head after this 1st season.

What difference does it make what the fans want? They can't run anyone out-of-town. The question is what would he have done compared to Garrett?

 

[RS12]

Hypothetical ... If Garrett was coach of the Pats...

Then hypothetically he would not be saddled with an incompetent GM.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What difference does it make what the fans want? They can't run anyone out-of-town. The question is what would he have done compared to Garrett?

Bill went 36-44 his first 4 years in his first ever head coaching opportunity. Only led one playoff trip in those 4 years.

So he started off worse than Garrett has.

He'd have been crucified by this fanbase.

 

[dupree89]

Bill went 36-44 his first 4 years in his first ever head coaching opportunity. Only led one playoff trip in those 4 years.

So he started off worse than Garrett has.

He'd have been crucified by this fanbase.

Learning on the job in Cleveland is much different than learning on the job with the Dallas Cowboys. There are just some coaching positons that SHOULD have an experienced, successful, respected head coach.
Head coach of the Cowboys is one of those positions.

 

[tecolote]

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Nobody is denying that the Patriots have experienced more success than we have over the last decade.

Bill has accomplished what without Brady? How did he do at Cleveland?

Our stupid fanbase would have run him out of town.

He went 11-5 with Matt freaking Cassell. I'd say that's impressive.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Bill went 36-44 his first 4 years in his first ever head coaching opportunity. Only led one playoff trip in those 4 years.

So he started off worse than Garrett has.

He'd have been crucified by this fanbase.

1 playoff appearance and a PLAYOFF WIN. With Vinny Testeverde!

vs.

0 playoff appearances and 0 playoff wins with Tony Romo.

Argument over.

 

[dupree89]

1 playoff appearance and a PLAYOFF WIN. With Vinny Testeverde!

vs.

0 playoff appearances and 0 playoff wins with Tony Romo.

Argument over.

I will go one better than that. (17) games in Cleveland under Belichick, the Browns started these guys at QB due to injuries:

Mike Tomczak
Todd Philcox
Eric Zeier

Thats about like Garrett going an entire season with Stephen McGee.

 

[koolaid]

What was the last meaningful post spygate game the Pats have won?

2008 Season won 11 games with Matt Cassell at QB

2009 Season won 10 games, lost in WC round to the ravens

2010 Season won 14 games, lost in the divisional round of the playoffs to the NY jets

2011 Season won 13 games, destroyed the broncos in round 1 (45-10), beat the ravens in the AFC championship game, and lost the Superbowl (due to one of the luckiest plays in football history)

2012 Season won 12 games, won in the divisional round against the Texans. Lost the AFC championship game to the eventual SB champ Ravens.




I would say the Pats have won a TON of meaningful games since spygate....

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Learning on the job in Cleveland is much different than learning on the job with the Dallas Cowboys. There are just some coaching positons that SHOULD have an experienced, successful, respected head coach.
Head coach of the Cowboys is one of those positions.

And you say Jerry is entitled and that's why this franchise will never win?

Look at this nonsense.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

2008 Season won 11 games with Matt Cassell at QB

2009 Season won 10 games, lost in WC round to the ravens

2010 Season won 14 games, lost in the divisional round of the playoffs to the NY jets

2011 Season won 13 games, destroyed the broncos in round 1 (45-10), beat the ravens in the AFC championship game, and lost the Superbowl (due to one of the luckiest plays in football history)

2012 Season won 12 games, won in the divisional round against the Texans. Lost the AFC championship game to the eventual SB champ Ravens.




I would say the Pats have won a TON of meaningful games since spygate....

Which of those teams had the offensive and defensive line catastrophes that we've had over the past 3-4 years?

Those teams were simply more talented. Winning with Matt Cassell only proves that.

IF Bill is this genius coach who wins no matter his talent then he should have won in Cleveland.

This is a player's league. Coaches are the scapegoats.