Hypothetical on trading T.J. Bass

[Jarv]

No not this year
If Bass seems to be solid as many think do you trade Martin for a kings ransom and keep adding draft picks in 2025.

I would trade Martin this year, Moreno if we cut Dak. All in baby!

 

[Jarv]

Trade Martin........

Why don't you just trade the metal statue of that old man wearing a hat in front of AT&T stadium?

I could understand not resigning him. However, trading off one of the best O-linemen in Cowboys history.... a sure fire HOFer......for the second to last 6th round pick or something like that? He'll never deserve to go that way.

He will always be part of the Cowboys family. Would you trade your family pet because she turned 10 years old and was a little slower bringing your slippers (A rather impressive feat for a bearded dragon, by the way)

My greatest regret is that this guy dedicated himself to be the best for so many years as a Cowboy and didn't come away with a ring. He would be the last person to fault for that.

Sorry I went old school. In the olden days, fans would develop emotional ties with the players, like they were extended family. These relationships typically lasted over 10 years, the days before salary caps and free agency turned them all into well paid mercenaries. Zack Martin is just one of those old school type players.

Now....if we could get a 2nd rounder for him.................just kidding Zack!

I would have felt the same until Zack held us for ranson last year. Like Don Corleone would say...it's not personal, just business.

 

[MWH1967]

I wish this tread would go away. The "Sea Bass" is my pet cat.

 

[Risen Star]

He's cheap and under team control for three more seasons. I would not actively try to trade him.

Now if someone called, I would listen.

Don't forget, this franchise greatly overestimates their own roster. They tried to trade a 1st and Anthony Brown for Jamal Adams and the Jets laughed. Now, you could argue that Seattle greatly overpaid for Adams, but the going rate was two 1sts and a 3rd. Pretending Anthony Brown, who was picked up and cut by 3 NFL teams last year and is now out of the league, is equivalent to a 1st and 3rd is high-level delusion.

Our DT depth chart is a joke. Bass is the one backup along the OL that may get you a player that can help you at DT.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Sea Bass is a pet cat of mine, but I am willing to trade anybody for the right price.

An adult in the room.

 

[Bullflop]

Nobody knows for sure if the OL we're hoping for will be delivered, without T.J. Bass as a backup, and quite possibly, a potential starter. It's surely far from guaranteed that this offensive line is ready to be taken for granted. Those who think differently are only kidding themselves. There definitely is a very needed place for T.J. Bass on this offensive team as things now stand.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Our DT depth chart is a joke. Bass is the one backup along the OL that may get you a player that can help you at DT.

Bass is overrated here, IMO.

I appreciate the true value players more than most. Bass is a good deal. But good starter? Even average starter? No. He's a backup who doesn't cripple the line when he plays. That's a good backup. Doesn't mean it's even a decent starter.

And by eyeball, I've liked Richards more. I think we have some depth behind Bass.

Meanwhile, we've got squat at DT and need help now and into the future. A trade for a Bass equivalent at DT just makes sense to improve the team. The need is much greater at DT.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Nobody knows for sure if the OL we're hoping for will be delivered, without T.J. Bass as a backup, and possibly, a potential starter. It's surely far from guaranteed that this offensive line is ready to be taken for granted. Those who think differently are only kidding themselves. There definitely is a needed place for T.J. Bass on this team.

True enough. We've got two oline starter holes to fill, and have last year's backups and two developmental rookies to do it with. No guarantees there.

But we *can* take for granted that our DT rotation blows chunks and is much worse than our oline rotation. We didn't have acceptable starters last year, and only lost guys, and spent diddley in the draft and free agency. Marginal utility of resources at DT is higher than any position with the only possible except of RB.

 

[Manster_Mash]

He would garner nothing of any value in return. If he truly is a find, as Broadus believes, then he has infinitely more value to us.

 

[Kingofholland]

This was a Broaddus question that I think is interesting.

If you're weeks into camp and you feel good about the rookie OL are you willing to trade T.J. Bass (who Broaddus believes the league missed on and should have been drafted) for DL depth and DT in particular?

I guess the obvious answer is it depends on who that DL is, so let me tweak it. If you feel good about those rookies weeks into camp are you looking to trade Bass for a comparable DT?

No, you really need the depth. If you think Bass can play and unless a team comes along with a generous offer I rather trade a future draft pick for dline depth.

 

[Bullflop]

True enough. We've got two oline starter holes to fill, and have last year's backups and two developmental rookies to do it with. No guarantees there.

But we *can* take for granted that our DT rotation blows chunks and is much worse than our oline rotation. We didn't have acceptable starters last year, and only lost guys, and spent diddley in the draft and free agency. Marginal utility of resources at DT is higher than any position with the only possible except of RB.

Jethro and Son aren't about to make the kind of move that this thread calls for. That's the main thing that's almost guaranteed to happen in this situation. Even if they see fit to deal for another DT, what are the chances that it'd be a wise decision? They have never proven very reliable in that capacity. The OL is on the verge of finally being one that is suitable in the here and now. Let's not do anything foolish to mess that up. There is fairly likely to be a DT available from one that's due to be cut during the weeks ahead. Getting prematurely desperate at this point is no easy solution.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Jethro and Son aren't about to make the kind of move that this thread calls for. That's the main thing that's almost guaranteed to happen in this situation. Even if they see fit to deal for another DT, what are the chances that it'd be a wise decision? They have never proven very reliable in that capacity. The OL is on the verge of finally being one that is suitable in the here and now. Let's not do anything foolish to mess that up. There is fairly likely to be a DT available from one that's due to be cut during the weeks ahead. Getting prematurely desperate at this point is no easy solution.

I was speaking in terms of what would be a sensible thing for them to do. Whether they would do something sensible is another issue. I think we're pretty ok on personnel, particularly on the lower tier.

The lack of sensibility at DT is true enough, but that's been mainly not putting enough resource into it, which my suggestion somewhat counteracts.

But gotta say that the Mazi debacle of physically converting him from NT to DT and back again meant whoever was responsible had to go. Maybe that person was Quinn, and did go. But it's an indictment of the whole organization. Mistakes were made. Yeah. These guys aren't perfect.

 

[Bullflop]

I was speaking in terms of what would be a sensible thing for them to do. Whether they would do something sensible is another issue. I think we're pretty ok on personnel, particularly on the lower tier.

The lack of sensibility at DT is true enough, but that's been mainly not putting enough resource into it, which my suggestion somewhat counteracts.

But gotta say that the Mazi debacle of physically converting him from NT to DT and back again meant whoever was responsible had to go. Maybe that person was Quinn, and did go. But it's an indictment of the whole organization. Mistakes were made. Yeah. These guys aren't perfect.

It'll be up to Zimmer to do what he feels is necessary to serve his defensive responsibilities as the needs dictate. It's a new ballgame with him in the DC position. I think the FO will continue to respect his opinions just as they have thus far in their actions. DTs will become available in the final cuts, just as they have been in the past. Hopefully, some practical decisions will be implemented. I think Will McClay will know enough to recommend that a capable DT might be taken when the time comes to actually do something. It's high time for Jerry & Son to earn their keep.

 

[Rayman70]

Heck no!! We now made the oline a position of quality and strength. No way am I willing to trade away my quality depth.Leave well enough alone I always say.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Our DT depth chart is a joke. Bass is the one backup along the OL that may get you a player that can help you at DT.

I don't disagree. I just don't trust this FO to find a DT in a trade with the equivalent value as Bass.

They would trade Bass for a Carl Davis.

 

[kiheikiwi]

First answer - NO.
Second answer - Still No, but also - Martin will be the glue at RG this year, to holding the line together. With a brand new Center, as his rock next to him and helping out as much as he possibly can, you cannot trade that away. I expect Steele to be healed and better this year, but Martin will have to help Beebe alot.
As I expect Smith at LG will have to help Guyton alot.
Our 2 All Pro guards will be busy this year.

 

[KingCorcoran]

No not this year
If Bass seems to be solid as many think do you trade Martin for a kings ransom and keep adding draft picks in 2025.

“trade Martín for a kings ransom”? He’s the 5th highest paid guard in the league, he is in the final year of his contract, he turns 34 years old during this season, just what do you suppose a team would be willing to trade for him right now?

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Keeping Bass.

If Beebe is the center than the Cowboys have to start thinking about Zack Martin's future replacement. Guyton, Smith, Beebe, Bass, and (I assume) Steele is the long term OL plan.

 

[bayeslife]

i would rather have Bass because I can’t see who they could realistically get that would be worth trading him for

 

[HungryLion]

This was a Broaddus question that I think is interesting.

If you're weeks into camp and you feel good about the rookie OL are you willing to trade T.J. Bass (who Broaddus believes the league missed on and should have been drafted) for DL depth and DT in particular?

I guess the obvious answer is it depends on who that DL is, so let me tweak it. If you feel good about those rookies weeks into camp are you looking to trade Bass for a comparable DT?

I would say no.

If Bass turns out to be the real deal. We have to remember that Martin has 1-2 seasons left max.

And the cowboys aren’t winning a title this year anyway.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.