Hypothetical on trading T.J. Bass

[Jarntt]

I like Bass, but what exactly are we going to get back in return for trading TJ Bass? I’d say pretty much nothing of much use right now. I’d rather keep Bass as you need backup OL and Martin won’t be around much longer.

 

[Chasing6]

This was a Broaddus question that I think is interesting.

If you're weeks into camp and you feel good about the rookie OL are you willing to trade T.J. Bass (who Broaddus believes the league missed on and should have been drafted) for DL depth and DT in particular?

I guess the obvious answer is it depends on who that DL is, so let me tweak it. If you feel good about those rookies weeks into camp are you looking to trade Bass for a comparable DT?

No. We need depth and he is under contract through 2025.

 

[Risen Star]

I like Bass, but what exactly are we going to get back in return for trading TJ Bass? I’d say pretty much nothing of much use right now. I’d rather keep Bass as you need backup OL and Martin won’t be around much longer.

Broaddus believes you'd get a nice player back. Which is the point here. It's not like he wants to trade Bass.

 

[Loso86]

This was a Broaddus question that I think is interesting.

If you're weeks into camp and you feel good about the rookie OL are you willing to trade T.J. Bass (who Broaddus believes the league missed on and should have been drafted) for DL depth and DT in particular?

I guess the obvious answer is it depends on who that DL is, so let me tweak it. If you feel good about those rookies weeks into camp are you looking to trade Bass for a comparable DT?

We need DEPTH, WHY do yall always want to trade good and decent depth that we have, then complain when there is an injury or something and we are thin!!??

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. TJ Bass is our top interior OL backup. Top 100 pick or equivalent DT then sure but Bass is in the second year of a UDFA contract.

You are making Hoffman and Edoga your primary backups and that seems about the same as at DT with Rogers, Fehoko, and Golston backing up.

 

[Chasing6]

It would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. TJ Bass is our top interior OL backup. Top 100 pick or equivalent DT then sure but Bass is in the second year of a UDFA contract.

You are making Hoffman and Edoga your primary backups and that seems about the same as at DT with Rogers, Fehoko, and Golston backing up.

If anything trade some of our 11 picks next year. Preferably after the 4th round.

 

[Jarntt]

Broaddus believes you'd get a nice player back. Which is the point here. It's not like he wants to trade Bass.

Broaddus is generally clueless and may be off in this instance as well. Right now our OL is two rookies who have never played an NFL snap, Steele who while he improved later in the year was poor last year, Martin who is a legend but has maybe a couple years left and Tyler. If Bass is as good as many hope he is there is a good chance we may need him. But, getting back to the original point, we aren't likely to get more in return for him than he can provide to the team if needed IMO

 

[gtb1943]

Broaddus is generally clueless and may be off in this instance as well. Right now our OL is two rookies who have never played an NFL snap, Steele who while he improved later in the year was poor last year, Martin who is a legend but has maybe a couple years left and Tyler. If Bass is as good as many hope he is there is a good chance we may need him. But, getting back to the original point, we aren't likely to get more in return for him than he can provide to the team if needed IMO

Bass played a little and looked decent against bad teams. We might get lucky and get more than expected for him but it is doubtful. He really has proven nothing yet so his value is not all that.

 

[charron]

I wouldn't trade Bass as he may be the guy who replaces Martin. Even if that is not the plan Bass is a really cheap quality player so I wouldn't trade him unless i'm getting more out of the deal.

 

[fivetwos]

I don't disagree. I just don't trust this FO to find a DT in a trade with the equivalent value as Bass.

They would trade Bass for a Carl Davis.

Slightly off topic here, but I ask your thoughts out of respect.

What do you think of Davis? Apparently not much. How about the 7th rounder Joseph, and/or the DT situation as a whole?

I can’t see how anyone looks at the DT situation and figures it’s well on its way to improvement. The fact that it was barely addressed, and they wouldn’t even pony up a few million for Hankins tells me the FO figures they have already invested heavily with a first round pick last year and are counting on Mazi to make major strides. They seem to value the trenches on one side of the ball much more than the other.

How are they winning games when they can’t get out to a big lead?

 

[KingintheNorth]

Slightly off topic here, but I ask your thoughts out of respect.

What do you think of Davis? Apparently not much. How about the 7th rounder Joseph, and/or the DT situation as a whole?

I can’t see how anyone looks at the DT situation and figures it’s well on its way to improvement. The fact that it was barely addressed, and they wouldn’t even pony up a few million for Hankins tells me the FO figures they have already invested heavily with a first round pick last year and are counting on Mazi to make major strides. They seem to value the trenches on one side of the ball much more than the other.

How are they winning games when they can’t get out to a big lead?

I think Carl Davis is exactly what he is, a journeyman. He’s 32 and played for 7 NFL teams. He’s not expensive (or he wouldn’t be here) but teams keep moving on from him. Usually, good-sized and affordable run-stuffing 1Techs are someone you hold onto. I think he got close to 30 snaps last year against Buffalo, Miami, and Detroit, and I do not think he played well at all.

As far as Justin Rogers, I do not think he moves well. He had an RAS of 1.18 and while the talking heads on The Break were saying that’s a good thing, it is not. He ranked 1595 out of 1808 DT’s from 1987 to now. That’s not saying he’s a big strong, immovable rock of a nose tackle, that is saying he is unathletic compared to other DTs. He also graded out as 65.3 for Run Defense last year.

I think fans (and maybe the Jones) have mistaken the idea that the 1Tech is not a priority position to believing you can just throw bodies at it. A journeyman practice squad player and a late 7th round pick are not solving any problems.

Which contradicts the spending of a 1st round pick on one, especially one who there were very public concerns on whether the kid really loves football. Now there is talk that he may not be in a great place mentally and emotionally, and it unfortunately is leaning towards the 2023 1st round pick being a bust.

Osa is good player, but you need your 3Tech is get to the QB and I also wonder about his endurance. He fades as the season goes on. With that and then some of the players saying they were tired at the end of the season, even though Mike McCarthy is one of the better coaches at managing workloads (and I don’t typically give him credit for ANYTHING), and you have to wonder what the heck the training staff is doing.

 

[Beaker42]

You can NEVER have enough depth on the offensive line, and until they put pads on and actually play games, I'm not placing too much stock into rookies....

Edoga might not make the roster....Ball, Waletzko can't stay healthy and are on their last legs with this team....Martin might be in his last year in Dallas.

So as it stands right now, these are my ten...Guyton, Smith, Beebe, Martin, Steele slated to start

Bass(guard/center), Richards, Hoffman, Edoga, Thomas(project)

Give me Ball or Waletzko instead of Chump Edoga. Hell, a cadaver would be better than Chump.

 

[Chasing6]

Let's put Ball or Waletzko at DT and see what happens before they get cut.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Give me Ball or Waletzko instead of Chump Edoga. Hell, a cadaver would be better than Chump.

The mistake Dallas made with Edoga is playing him at tackle, he's a guard, that's where he should have been playing last year, not Tackle

 

[pupulehaole]

We have Mazi Smith. Next topic.

 

[buybuydandavis]

It'll be up to Zimmer to do what he feels is necessary to serve his defensive responsibilities as the needs dictate. It's a new ballgame with him in the DC position. I think the FO will continue to respect his opinions just as they have thus far in their actions. DTs will become available in the final cuts, just as they have been in the past. Hopefully, some practical decisions will be implemented. I think Will McClay will know enough to recommend that a capable DT might be taken when the time comes to actually do something. It's high time for Jerry & Son to earn their keep.

Zimmer is not GM or Head of Scouting.
I'm sure he gets input on buying the groceries. But he doesn't get to set the budget.