Hypothetical regarding the Dez situation

[Verdict]

Let's suppose hypothetically that Dez' demands are just too rich for the Cowboys, or that there is some damning info on Dez that hasn't been made public yet. Let's also suppose that the Cowboys' aren't hell bent on keeping Dez like everyone thinks they are.

Instead of even trying to lock up Dez long term they just franchse Dez having no intention of resigning him at all. (I know that goes against conventional wisdom). Personally I'm not sure that it is that far fetched if you consider why would the Cowboys pay top 5 receiver money to someone who they have to baby-sit with full time staff hired by the Cowboys off the field.

In that scenario, Dez would either play under the franchise tag, with Dez bearing all the risk of loss due to injury (other than the remainder of the franchise tag year). So in that case the Cowboys' risk of loss is no worse than the Spencer situation.

If another team were to come in and steal Dez then they would have to come in and pay Dez out the *** and take on Dez (with his baby sitting albatross, and carry the risk of loss due to potential injury to Dez going forward) AND ADDITIONALLY GIVE UP TWO...LET ME REPEAT TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS as the cost of doing business to do it. In doing that the new team gives up two low cost first round players for FIVE YEARS, and takes on Dez' huge cap hit.

So if the Cowboys lost Dez, they could potentially draft a first round receiver with this year's pick AND draft a first round receiver next year as well with the other first round pick, at the low end rookie wage scale.

Let that soak in for a moment......we could sign Suh or any other defensive player we want if Dez bolts for the same cap hit AND still get two first round picks to boot to offset the cost of the free agent signing. Maybe if Dez goes it is not the end of the world after all.

This is one more reason why the Cowboys have all the leverage in these negotiations.

 

[xwalker]

Let's suppose hypothetically that Dez' demands are just too rich for the Cowboys, or that there is some damning info on Dez that hasn't been made public yet. Let's also suppose that the Cowboys' aren't hell bent on keeping Dez like everyone thinks they are.

Instead of even trying to lock up Dez long term they just franchse Dez having no intention of resigning him at all. (I know that goes against conventional wisdom). Personally I'm not sure that it is that far fetched if you consider why would the Cowboys pay top 5 receiver money to someone who they have to baby-sit with full time staff hired by the Cowboys off the field.

In that scenario, Dez would either play under the franchise tag, with Dez bearing all the risk of loss due to injury (other than the remainder of the franchise tag year). So in that case the Cowboys' risk of loss is no worse than the Spencer situation.

If another team were to come in and steal Dez then they would have to come in and pay Dez out the *** and take on Dez (with his baby sitting albatross, and carry the risk of loss due to potential injury to Dez going forward) AND ADDITIONALLY GIVE UP TWO...LET ME REPEAT TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS as the cost of doing business to do it. In doing that the new team gives up two low cost first round players for FIVE YEARS, and takes on Dez' huge cap hit.

So if the Cowboys lost Dez, they could potentially draft a first round receiver with this year's pick AND draft a first round receiver next year as well with the other first round pick, at the low end rookie wage scale.

Let that soak in for a moment......we could sign Suh or any other defensive player we want if Dez bolts for the same cap hit AND still get two first round picks to boot to offset the cost of the free agent signing. Maybe if Dez goes it is not the end of the world after all.

This is one more reason why the Cowboys have all the leverage in these negotiations.

It's highly unlikely that anybody would give up 2 first round picks. Al Davis is dead and Jerry can't trade with himself.

Some bad teams might think about it but they usually have a top 10 pick which would keep them from doing it.

Good teams probably didn't become good teams giving up 1st round picks AND huge cap space.

 

[Jenky]

This is one more reason why the Cowboys have all the leverage in these negotiations.

Don't understand why everyone is saying this. Dallas was 12-4 last year. They want to build on this. Dez doesn't have to play the first 10 games.

There was another player who held out and Dallas went 0-2.

Romo & Witten aren't going to play forever.

 

[Verdict]

Don't understand why everyone is saying this. Dallas was 12-4 last year. They want to build on this. Dez doesn't have to play the first 10 games.

There was another player who held out and Dallas went 0-2.

Yes, that is true, but that would cost Dez 13 million dollars to hold out.

 

[Jenky]

Yes, that is true, but that would cost Dez 13 million dollars to hold out.

He can sign it after week 10 and get 13 million in his pocket.

 

[Verdict]

It's highly unlikely that anybody would give up 2 first round picks. Al Davis is dead and Jerry can't trade with himself.

Some bad teams might think about it but they usually have a top 10 pick which would keep them from doing it.

Good teams probably didn't become good teams giving up 1st round picks AND huge cap space.

That is part of what I am suggesting. Everyone says someone will pay Dez Calvin Johnson money. I don't think that is even a remote possibility. It is a pipe dream by people who want to see Dez kept at all costs. I am just saying that if some team wants Dez enough to actually steal him, them maybe it isn't all that bad for us. Maybe it is a win/win for us either way.

 

[Verdict]

He can sign it after week 10 and get 13 million in his pocket.

I am not sure it works that way. It would cost him 1/16 of the tag amount to sit out each game he sits out.

 

[Verdict]

If Dez plays under the franchise tag and suffers a career ending injury it will probably cost him about 20 million dollars. Suppose he suffers a Spencer type of injury and cant come back???? Is Dez willing to risk that??

 

[Verdict]

Don't understand why everyone is saying this. Dallas was 12-4 last year. They want to build on this. Dez doesn't have to play the first 10 games.

There was another player who held out and Dallas went 0-2.

Romo & Witten aren't going to play forever.

Sure they want him back. But it isn't at ANY cost. There is a point where the Cowboys will make him play under the tag. I'm not sure that is a losing proposition for Dallas.

 

[Jenky]

I am not sure it works that way. It would cost him 1/16 of the tag amount to sit out each game he sits out.

"The amount of the franchise tender becomes fully guaranteed once the player signs the contract. Sometimes, players don’t immediately sign the tender because once they do the player is required to show up for all the mandatory offseason activities and training camp. But the risk for the player is that the team can withdraw the franchise tag tender at any time before it’s signed."

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...ir-decision-until-near-march-2-deadline.html/

Unless they've changed something that i'm not aware of?

 

[slick325]

That is part of what I am suggesting. Everyone says someone will pay Dez Calvin Johnson money. I don't think that is even a remote possibility. It is a pipe dream by people who want to see Dez kept at all costs. I am just saying that if some team wants Dez enough to actually steal him, them maybe it isn't all that bad for us. Maybe it is a win/win for us either way.

If you don't believe someone would sign Dez to a hefty contract (trust me...it doesn't have to be Calvin Johnson like) then Dallas should let him test the market and see what happens. He isn't that valuable right? Let him test the market without a franchise tag and hope he gives Dallas a chance to match.

Somehow...I can't see the Jones family doing that. To me, not letting him test the waters means he is valuable so commit to him and get it over with...

 

[xwalker]

That is part of what I am suggesting. Everyone says someone will pay Dez Calvin Johnson money. I don't think that is even a remote possibility. It is a pipe dream by people who want to see Dez kept at all costs. I am just saying that if some team wants Dez enough to actually steal him, them maybe it isn't all that bad for us. Maybe it is a win/win for us either way.

From a business perspective giving him the tag makes the most sense. The cost per season is probably about the same with a contract or the tag but the risk is much lower for the team to use the tag.

Compare that to Murray's situation where the tag is much higher than what he would get per season on a new contract. The tag for Murray would be a terrible move.

 

[Verdict]

If you don't believe someone would sign Dez to a hefty contract (trust me...it doesn't have to be Calvin Johnson like) then Dallas should let him test the market and see what happens. He isn't that valuable right? Let him test the market without a franchise tag and hope he gives Dallas a chance to match.

Somehow...I can't see the Jones family doing that. To me, not letting him test the waters means he is valuable so commit to him and get it over with...

I assume you mean Dez, not Dallas. The franchise tag does allow him to test the waters. I think it might actually happen. I think lots of teams would love to have Dez. I'm just not sure there will be any willing to pay Dez huge money AND give up two first round picks to do it.

 

[xwalker]

He can sign it after week 10 and get 13 million in his pocket.

No, the tag is like a base salary not a signing bonus. He would lose 1/17 of it for each week he missed.

 

[Jenky]

No, the tag is like a base salary not a signing bonus. He would lose 1/17 of it for each week he missed.

Got it, thanks.

 

[Verdict]

From a business perspective giving him the tag makes the most sense. The cost per season is probably about the same with a contract or the tag but the risk is much lower for the team to use the tag.

Compare that to Murray's situation where the tag is much higher than what he would get per season on a new contract. The tag for Murray would be a terrible move.

I really think if the Cowboys want to resign Murray he will get resigned at a reasonable rate. I think he has been asked to be patient while they deal with Dez and he is playing along waiting for his deal. He knows that they are trying to fit both pieces of the puzzle under the cap.

 

[LatinMind]

Let's suppose hypothetically that Dez' demands are just too rich for the Cowboys, or that there is some damning info on Dez that hasn't been made public yet. Let's also suppose that the Cowboys' aren't hell bent on keeping Dez like everyone thinks they are.

Instead of even trying to lock up Dez long term they just franchse Dez having no intention of resigning him at all. (I know that goes against conventional wisdom). Personally I'm not sure that it is that far fetched if you consider why would the Cowboys pay top 5 receiver money to someone who they have to baby-sit with full time staff hired by the Cowboys off the field.

In that scenario, Dez would either play under the franchise tag, with Dez bearing all the risk of loss due to injury (other than the remainder of the franchise tag year). So in that case the Cowboys' risk of loss is no worse than the Spencer situation.

If another team were to come in and steal Dez then they would have to come in and pay Dez out the *** and take on Dez (with his baby sitting albatross, and carry the risk of loss due to potential injury to Dez going forward) AND ADDITIONALLY GIVE UP TWO...LET ME REPEAT TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS as the cost of doing business to do it. In doing that the new team gives up two low cost first round players for FIVE YEARS, and takes on Dez' huge cap hit.

So if the Cowboys lost Dez, they could potentially draft a first round receiver with this year's pick AND draft a first round receiver next year as well with the other first round pick, at the low end rookie wage scale.

Let that soak in for a moment......we could sign Suh or any other defensive player we want if Dez bolts for the same cap hit AND still get two first round picks to boot to offset the cost of the free agent signing. Maybe if Dez goes it is not the end of the world after all.

This is one more reason why the Cowboys have all the leverage in these negotiations.

Already made something on this, but because i inserted a Mock draft i had to put it in the draft zone.
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/dez-traded-mock-lol-let-the-hate-begin.315515/

Now ill say this before the uptight get involved in this thread. This is just something i thought i would do to see what kind of offseason it would look like and what the ramifications it could have.

Dallas trades Dez Bryant to the Oakland Raiders for their RD1 and RD2 and RD4 picks. Dallas also trades Gavin Escobar and Barry Church to the Raiders.

So Dallas trades away its Franchise WR and what could be Wittens replacement but gets very nice placements in the draft and starting SS.

So Now Dallas has to find a WR and a backup TE.

One thing it does it freeup alot of money.

 

[slick325]

I assume you mean Dez, not Dallas. The franchise tag does allow him to test the waters. I think it might actually happen. I think lots of teams would love to have Dez. I'm just not sure there will be any willing to pay Dez huge money AND give up two first round picks to do it.

I did edit it to say Dez...I think purely from the position of representing the player. Although, I understand where Teams and GM's come from as well. Just some background as to why I am always pro player in these matters.

 

[Verdict]

From a business perspective giving him the tag makes the most sense. The cost per season is probably about the same with a contract or the tag but the risk is much lower for the team to use the tag.

Compare that to Murray's situation where the tag is much higher than what he would get per season on a new contract. The tag for Murray would be a terrible move.

The more I evaluate the tag situation the more I think it is a better deal for the Cowboys.

 

[Longboysfan]

If another team were to come in and steal Dez then they would have to come in and pay Dez out the *** and take on Dez (with his baby sitting albatross, and carry the risk of loss due to potential injury to Dez going forward) AND ADDITIONALLY GIVE UP TWO...LET ME REPEAT TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS as the cost of doing business to do it. In doing that the new team gives up two low cost first round players for FIVE YEARS, and takes on Dez' huge cap hit.

It does not have to be a bad team that signs him to an offer sheet.
Could be a good team with some CAP room and knows they will not get a player of that level no matter how may draft picks they throw at that position.
A few teams that come to mind are Carolina, Kansas City, Cleveland. With an outside shot from Denver if they can CAP swing something.