Hypothetical regarding the Dez situation

[Verdict]

I did edit it to say Dez...I think purely from the position of representing the player. Although, I understand where Teams and GM's come from as well. Just some background as to why I am always pro player in these matters.

If you represent Dez then you DESPERATELY want Dez to get a deal done because the cost of him getting hurt is just too big of a risk for Dez to bear. This isn't a guy on the fringe here. Dez stands to pocket a lot of money. Are you hoing to risk 20 million trying to get another potential 3 million?

 

[xwalker]

The more I evaluate the tag situation the more I think it is a better deal for the Cowboys.

Yes, the only problem is if he can't emotionally handle playing under the tag; however, if he is that weak minded then I wouldn't want to give him a new contract anyway.

 

[LatinMind]

The more I evaluate the tag situation the more I think it is a better deal for the Cowboys.

I would really hate to spend a tag on Dez this yr. In a long term deal Dallas could limit a caphit on Dez to i think lower then 7mil on Dez the first yr of the deal. 13mil would limit them on what they can do. I know they can get restructures but Dallas would need to put up 13mil for Dez, 5mil for the draft. Thats 18mil of a 45mil that they can have incaproom, restructures and paycuts. Then they still have to resign their own FAs which are alot, and still have to give tenders. And have some money left on the cap for when the season starts just in case. IMO franchise tag is not your friend this yr. Dallas has too much to do this offseason.

 

[Verdict]

It does not have to be a bad team that signs him to an offer sheet.
Could be a good team with some CAP room and knows they will not get a player of that level no matter how may draft picks they throw at that position.
A few teams that come to mind are Carolina, Kansas City, Cleveland. With an outside shot from Denver if they can CAP swing something.

I agree. But Would signing Dez put any of those teams over the top? Probably not. Denver probably wouldn't pay Dez and D. Thomas. Thomas is as good as Dez, without the need for a babysitter. I like Dez but I'm not sure I wouldn't trade Dez for Thomas straight across at the same salary.

 

[Frozen700]

The injury thing is a big concern.

If I'm him I sit out, and wait to either get what I want or traded

 

[Verdict]

Yes, the only problem is if he can't emotionally handle playing under the tag; however, if he is that weak minded then I wouldn't want to give him a new contract anyway.

The longer this goes on the more I think that Dez will play under the tag this year. Next year Dez would hold a little bit more leverage in negotiations because of the increased tag amount. This year it is about the same amount of money with the risk on Dez.

 

[Verdict]

I would really hate to spend a tag on Dez this yr. In a long term deal Dallas could limit a caphit on Dez to i think lower then 7mil on Dez the first yr of the deal. 13mil would limit them on what they can do. I know they can get restructures but Dallas would need to put up 13mil for Dez, 5mil for the draft. Thats 18mil of a 45mil that they can have incaproom, restructures and paycuts. Then they still have to resign their own FAs which are alot, and still have to give tenders. And have some money left on the cap for when the season starts just in case. IMO franchise tag is not your friend this yr. Dallas has too much to do this offseason.

The franchise tag would actually result in a cap savings if someone signs Dez out from under us.

 

[Longboysfan]

I agree. But Would signing Dez put any of those teams over the top? Probably not. Denver probably wouldn't pay Dez and D. Thomas. Thomas is as good as Dez, without the need for a babysitter. I like Dez but I'm not sure I wouldn't trade Dez for Thomas straight across at the same salary.

Maybe not but it would get them to the playoffs. Then you never know what happens.

 

[Jenky]

The injury thing is a big concern.

If I'm him I sit out, and wait to either get what I want or traded

IMO, he probably wouldn't sit out under the tag because he loves football way too much and Dallas is just taking advantage of that.

 

[xwalker]

I really think if the Cowboys want to resign Murray he will get resigned at a reasonable rate. I think he has been asked to be patient while they deal with Dez and he is playing along waiting for his deal. He knows that they are trying to fit both pieces of the puzzle under the cap.

I really don't know what they're thinking in regards to Murray. I know Garrett wants him back but they also seem to be committed to a process and overpaying RBs is probably not part of that process. I think they have to be concerned about his ability to physically hold up for multiple years.

 

[LatinMind]

The franchise tag would actually result in a cap savings if someone signs Dez out from under us.

Thats why you work out a deal before the season starts. But most likely they will place it on him to get a deal done.

 

[Verdict]

The injury thing is a big concern.

If I'm him I sit out, and wait to either get what I want or traded

If that is the case, why don't you not go to work and demand a raise? The reason you probably haven't done that is that the ramifications on you are much greater than the ramifications on your employer.

 

[slick325]

If you represent Dez then you DESPERATELY want Dez to get a deal done because the cost of him getting hurt is just too big of a risk for Dez to bear. This isn't a guy on the fringe here. Dez stands to pocket a lot of money. Are you hoing to risk 20 million trying to get another potential 3 million?

Wish I did represent Dez in this matter! LOL!

That said, his long term financial security is what I or anyone representing him would be concerned about. That comes in the form of a long term commitment from Dallas with some guaranteed money that shows Dez is top 3-5 at his position. As I have said many many times already....8yrs/$108 with $30mil guaranteed (that is 2nd most guaranteed only behind Calvin Johnson and his $13.5 per is 2nd only to Calvin Johnson).

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

It's highly unlikely that anybody would give up 2 first round picks. Al Davis is dead and Jerry can't trade with himself.

that make me laff.

OK (laugh track off) but i think many teams would give up a 1st round pick and a fourth round pick for Dez. Assuming that a video of Dez hurting a kitten or a homeless person does not rear its ugly head.

Jerra, dont make opera out of this. Just do what you half to, present King Dez with a payment plan or franchise tag and let's go on with life. The same with Murray. Let us git her done as they say in Waco and the upper Midwest. I am tried of all the drama and suspension
of contracts ifs, whens and butts.

I want to talk football and not contracts. Frankfurther, I want jet packs, year-round NFL play and free airplane rides to and from our nation's capital so I can talk to meine congressmen about what should be done to right this nation. I half many good ideas and I am frankly tired of giving all you football louts all meine good ideas while my country go begging for meine good ideas.

sorry for the rant. I get emotional when I talk about meine team or meine fatherland.
MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG EVEN THOUGH WE ARE MOSTLY WRONG BUT HAIL, WE HALF THE BEST WEAPONRY SO WHO IS GOING TO MESS WITH US, HUH?

 

[xwalker]

The longer this goes on the more I think that Dez will play under the tag this year. Next year Dez would hold a little bit more leverage in negotiations because of the increased tag amount. This year it is about the same amount of money with the risk on Dez.

Yes, it requires a 20% increase to tag him again. A 13M tag would increase to 15.6M for 2016.

It's still 14.3M average for 2 years which is not bad considering Megatron is getting 16M average.

 

[Verdict]

I really don't know what they're thinking in regards to Murray. I know Garrett wants him back but they also seem to be committed to a process and overpaying RBs is probably not part of that process. I think they have to be concerned about his ability to physically hold up for multiple years.

I have given quite a bit of thought to this issue, and the conclusion that I have come to is either:

1. They are sold enough on Willams that they are willing to bet the franchise on him (which I do not think is the case) OR
2. They are going to pay Murray. (I think this is what they will do).

They will NOT go into the year relying on Randle and Dunbar can't be the lead back. If those are correct assumptions, then they have to have a very, very solid plan B. That means either draft a running back very high (and worry about blitz pickup injuries keeping Romo's back in mind) ----which I do not think they will do. Or they will get a comparable free agent to Murray, which will still cost them too much.

If we drop Murray with the intention of Williams being the bell cow, expect a running back to be selected in the first three rounds--- and probably the first two rounds.

 

[Verdict]

Thats why you work out a deal before the season starts. But most likely they will place it on him to get a deal done.

If they sign him out from under us it will be long before the season starts.

 

[JBS]

Not sure why the OP thinks this is some ground breaking info

This is the same case w every single franchised player every year

Everybody already knows all of this

 

[xwalker]

that make me laff.

OK (laugh track off) but i think many teams would give up a 1st round pick and a fourth round pick for Dez. Assuming that a video of Dez hurting a kitten or a homeless person does not rear its ugly head.

Jerra, dont make opera out of this. Just do what you half to, present King Dez with a payment plan or franchise tag and let's go on with life. The same with Murray. Let us git her done as they say in Waco and the upper Midwest. I am tried of all the drama and suspension
of contracts ifs, whens and butts.

I want to talk football and not contracts. Frankfurther, I want jet packs, year-round NFL play and free airplane rides to and from our nation's capital so I can talk to meine congressmen about what should be done to right this nation. I half many good ideas and I am frankly tired of giving all you football louts all meine good ideas while my country go begging for meine good ideas.

sorry for the rant. I get emotional when I talk about meine team or meine fatherland.
MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG EVEN THOUGH WE ARE MOSTLY WRONG BUT HAIL, WE HALF THE BEST WEAPONRY SO WHO IS GOING TO MESS WITH US, HUH?

I don't know why you referenced a 1st and 4th. It requires 2 1sts.

 

[Verdict]

Yes, it requires a 20% increase to tag him again. A 13M tag would increase to 15.6M for 2016.

It's still 14.3M average for 2 years which is not bad considering Megatron is getting 16M average.

Yes. Plus it is two years of Dez' prime playing years. After that who is going to give Dez a Megatron contract two years down the road??