Hypothetical: What if Jerry nabs Cowher and Cowher is bringing Chan Gailey with him?

[Chocolate Lab]

And I still think Cowher would be a potential carbon copy of what we got with Parcells here. A guy who only came back for the money and didnt have the same desire or skill he once had. And in Cowher's case, he never had much skill to begin with. IMO he's one ofthe most overrated coaches of the last 20 years. Always had alot of talent, always lost alot of home playoff games, got one fluke championship when officials completely hosed the other team (that totally outplayed them).

Oh, I think he's overrated, too. I think people so overrate the yelling and screaming and contorted faces and "firing guys up". I don't know why they think that's such a big deal, but they do.

I also think Cowboys fans would never have the patience for him if he didn't get us deep in the playoffs immediately.

But that goes for any coach.

 

[theogt]

Steelers in 3 years before Cowher: 25-23
Cowboys in 3 years before Phillips: 24-24

Steelers in Cowher's first two years: 20-12, and 0-2 in the playoffs.
Cowboys in Phillips's first two years: 22-8, and 0-1 in the playoffs.

It then took Cowher two more years before he'd get to the Super Bowl -- and we all know how that one turned out.

After that? An entire decade before he got to the Super Bowl again.

 

[jcblanco22]

oh it was balanced...it just wasnt any good

He adjusts well to whatever he's got around him. Look at the work he's done with Thigpen this year in KC before you cast judgement on his passing offenses. For that matter, forget about judging him by what happened here in '99 after Irvin's head hit the Veteran's Stadium turf. I don't know of a coordinator who'd look good with Chris Brazell and Jason Tucker playing integral roles in his offense.

What I do imagine is that he'd be a pretty good candidate to properly handle the stable of backs we have, especially considering he coached one of them in college.

 

[dbair1967]

He adjusts well to whatever he's got around him. Look at the work he's done with Thigpen this year in KC before you cast judgement on his passing offenses. For that matter, forget about judging him by what happened here in '99 after Irvin's head hit the Veteran's Stadium turf. I don't know of a coordinator who'd look good with Chris Brazell and Jason Tucker playing integral roles in his offense.

maybe you should go back and check into some of his gameday roster moves, in game decisions and substitution patterns too

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

oh it was balanced...it just wasnt any good

Look at the players he had....

 

[Don Corleone]

Like WG has said, he's made some negative comments about Jerry on TV.

No big deal really. Parcells dedicated a full chapter in his book, before he became the Cowboys head coach, describing his feelings towards Jerry, and it wasn't positive.

Cowher probably has a little bit of venom towards the Cowboys for SB 30 anyway.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Another one of those hypothetical scenarios, but I thought it would be interesting to get some opinions. This came to me while hearing Irvin, Newton, and Kiley hash things out towards the end of their show this afternoon and the case being made that a guy like Cowher is what this team needs going forward to right itself and finally play to is potential.

So let's say Jerry makes the pitch for Cowher in about a month, and Gailey is out with the rest of Herm's staff in KC once they hire a new GM (looking more and more like the new guy will clean house over there). Cowher, who seems to love Gailey from their days in Pittsburgh and personally endorsed him for both the job here 10 years ago and when Chan was on the Steelers short list before the '07 season, says that he's bringing him along as his offensive coordinator.

Does Jerry agree to it? Would we see the running game greatly improved and all 3 backs given a solid number of carries next year? It would likely lead to a very prominent role for Choice in particular, given Chan's familiarity with him from college.

Discuss.

Does this mean we lose superbowl 30 this time?:

 

[Idgit]

I don't think there's a more overrated coach in the NFL than Bill Cowher.

Now that Gibbs is retired?

 

[PullMyFinger]

If JJ gave more power to the coach, and stepped back, this would be a better team. Regardless who the coach is.

Im beginning to think this team will never win a SB, with JJ running it the way he is.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'd be surprised, to some degree, if Gailey was brought in to replace Garrett, even if Cowher did wind up here.

But like I've said all along I just don't see Cowher even seriously considering the Cowboys. I just don't. I wish I did, I like the guy a bunch, but I don't see it.

And I also happen to believe that there won't be any coaching changes on this staff this offseason outside of maybe a ST coach.

 

[casmith07]

I don't think there's a more overrated coach in the NFL than Bill Cowher.

I agree. Anyone have the stat on how long it took Cowher to win a Super Bowl?

And does anyone else remember when Barry Switzer out-coached him in 1995 and we BEAT Bill Cowher in the Super Bowl???

 

[visionary]

HC: cowher (for intensity, toughness, and attitude)
OC: norv (he is what tony needs)
DC: lebeau (best DC bar none)

i know it will never happen but if it did...

 

[fortdick]

Holmgren is the only big name that may ever be realistic and with him u have to inherit the WCO

I wouldn't mind the WCO here at all. Imagine TO, 11 Williams and Witten in that offense! Felix out of the backfield like Westbrook and MBIII pounding the ball!

 

[wileedog]

You mean like Parcells?

How many playoff games did he win again?

This is so old.

You can't even remotely tell me this team would be talking playoffs the last two seasons without the rebuilding job Parcells did here. He inherited one of the worst rosters and worst-run organizations in football and completely rebuilt it, and he's getting judged because Romo flubbed a field goal snap.

I'd take what he did back in a heartbeat rather than what we are probably going to witness over the next couple of years - Jerry taking us back to perennial 5-11.

 

[theogt]

This is so old.

You can't even remotely tell me this team would be talking playoffs the last two seasons without the rebuilding job Parcells did here. He inherited one of the worst rosters and worst-run organizations in football and completely rebuilt it, and he's getting judged because Romo flubbed a field goal snap.

I'd take what he did back in a heartbeat rather than what we are probably going to witness over the next couple of years - Jerry taking us back to perennial 5-11.

Yes, if Parcells hadn't spent four years here, we'd still be at 5-11.

Also, can I get the winning lotto numbers?

 

[wileedog]

Yes, if Parcells hadn't spent four years here, we'd still be at 5-11.

Also, can I get the winning lotto numbers?

We were all three years prior. What makes you think anything would have changed if we still had Jerry running the show solo, Larry Lacewell doing the scouting and Dave Campo or another yes-man for Jerry coaching?

Actually you're right. Things could have gotten much worse.

 

[Bleu Star]

Wow. An "old Steelers staff" coaching the Cowboys.

HC--Cowher
OC--Gailey
DC--Capers

:

Where do I place my order?

 

[theogt]

We were all three years prior. What makes you think anything would have changed if we still had Jerry running the show solo, Larry Lacewell doing the scouting and Dave Campo or another yes-man for Jerry coaching?

Actually you're right. Things could have gotten much worse.

Maybe. Or maybe he'd hired someone else and they would have gotten much better much quicker. Or maybe he would have stayed with the same group of people and they would have learned form their mistakes and things would have gotten better on their own. You just don't know.

 

[theogt]

I take it back. Cowher isn't the most overrated coach in the league. Capers is.

The guy is one of the worst defensive coaches in history. He ruins every team he touches. Yet somehow people still want him.

 

[wileedog]

Maybe. Or maybe he'd hired someone else and they would have gotten much better much quicker. Or maybe he would have stayed with the same group of people and they would have learned form their mistakes and things would have gotten better on their own. You just don't know.

We have a decade of evidence that Jerry wasn't 'learning' anything.

And yes, he could have hired someone else, the point isn't really about Parcells. Its about Jerry giving up real control to someone with real football knowledge. It could have been any number of people who walked in and turned this around, it happened to be Parcells.

The problem is, we are moving back in the other direction. Jerry is back to assembling stars, not a team. He's got a wishy washy head coach back whose authority he undermines by letting players go over him. He's back to creating media attention instead of winning football games.

My only ray of hope is he seems to be doing a little better with the draft than the last time around, although we still can't find an O-lineman to save our butts (Parcells time included too).