Hypothetical: What if Jerry nabs Cowher and Cowher is bringing Chan Gailey with him?

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Funny how after all this horrible "regression" talk I see so often, if we win this weekend we'll have won as many games as Parcells ever did in a season.
 

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As long as we are playing the hypothetical game, if hypothetically we make it to the SB does all this talk about getting rid of our coaches and starting over come to an end?
 

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Chocolate Lab;2522747 said:
Funny how after all this horrible "regression" talk I see so often, if we win this weekend we'll have won as many games as Parcells ever did in a season.

Which again is an irrelevant argument considering Parcells inherited a 5-11 cluster and Wade inherited a completely rebuilt organization, top to bottom.

Parcells didn't even have a quality starting QB until his last half season here. Wade started with a Pro Bowler. How'd he do the 3 games Tony was out?
 

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Yes, we all know that Chainsaw Al Parcells improved us from 5-11.

You still didn't didn't explain how winning as many games as the last coach ever did counts as "regression". Not to mention winning more than he ever did last year.
 

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theogt;2521912 said:
I don't think there's a more overrated coach in the NFL than Bill Cowher.

I agree too.

He's solid... But this 7-9 mill a year that he might make is a joke.

If he doesn't have instant success no owner is going to keep him with the pay he is going to demand.

Solid Coach but he isn't some kind of epic difference maker.
 

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I'd like to see Jerry be the coach + GM -- get it over with then move on.
 

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wileedog;2522750 said:
Which again is an irrelevant argument considering Parcells inherited a 5-11 cluster and Wade inherited a completely rebuilt organization, top to bottom.

Parcells didn't even have a quality starting QB until his last half season here. Wade started with a Pro Bowler. How'd he do the 3 games Tony was out?

Bledsoe was a quality QB.

Our Oline just couldn't give him time to throw. Something Bledsoe requires.

Our Oline still isn't the best at pass blocking but defenses have to contain Romo because he will beat you with his feet and make a play.

Romo is the heart and soul of this team. He makes mistakes but we are 10x better with him than without him.

These Olinemen like Flozell making the big bucks should be the biggest Romo fans ever because he is the reason their pockets are fat.
 

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wileedog;2522750 said:
Which again is an irrelevant argument considering Parcells inherited a 5-11 cluster and Wade inherited a completely rebuilt organization, top to bottom.

Parcells didn't even have a quality starting QB until his last half season here. Wade started with a Pro Bowler. How'd he do the 3 games Tony was out?

how'd that defense do under that great defensive mind Parcells?

Parcells the GM did a good job here, Parcells the coach was a liability.
 

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CATCH17;2521757 said:
Holmgren is the only big name that may ever be realistic and with him u have to inherit the WCO

Which would be awesome for both Romo and TO. TO being from that and Romo idolizing the very ground Holmgram's WCO was built around, Favre. I don't see a problem with a WCO coming to Dallas like some do.

Personally I don't see how we haven't incorporated a hint of that offense into our own already. To me just shows the limited sight of Garrett. His two star players would thrive with some of those plays.
 

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wileedog;2522744 said:
We have a decade of evidence that Jerry wasn't 'learning' anything.

And yes, he could have hired someone else, the point isn't really about Parcells. Its about Jerry giving up real control to someone with real football knowledge. It could have been any number of people who walked in and turned this around, it happened to be Parcells.

The problem is, we are moving back in the other direction. Jerry is back to assembling stars, not a team. He's got a wishy washy head coach back whose authority he undermines by letting players go over him. He's back to creating media attention instead of winning football games.

My only ray of hope is he seems to be doing a little better with the draft than the last time around, although we still can't find an O-lineman to save our butts (Parcells time included too).
And we have evidence of 2 offseasons of Jerry adding a large amount of talent without Parcells. Maybe he learned something from Parcells. Maybe not. Maybe he just learned his lessons from the late 90s. Maybe not. Nobody will ever know.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2522754 said:
Yes, we all know that Chainsaw Al Parcells improved us from 5-11.

You still didn't didn't explain how winning as many games as the last coach ever did counts as "regression". Not to mention winning more than he ever did last year.

I see regression. This is a sloppy, under-prepared, undisciplned football team leading the league in penalties and in complaining to the owner over the coaches head. We came off a 13-3 season and now we are hoping to barely back-door our way into the playoffs because we were lucky.

Romo is playing his worst football since becoming the starter. Our Genius Offensive Coach/Heir Apparent has been outthunk weekly by the opposition, and is somehow managing to forget Roy Williams is on the team. Or that running the ball works some times too. Coincidence the offense is much worse after Parcells took Sparano? You be the judge.

The defense has clicked lately, but that's only after Wade's hand-picked DC was pulled away from the steering wheel. Our offensive line is gobs worse this year than last year, and its not all because of Proctor. And lets face it - that two TD killer of an ending against Baltimore - one of the more gut wrenching things I have ever witnessed - happened under Wade's watch.

Meanwhile the GM is celebrating that he has created a media circus around TO and Pacman, and to a lesser extent even Romo and Witten, and spouting some garbage about the team "thriving" on it. Yeah right.

This in my opinion is a worse team than last year. Its got more talent on it, and it certainly has a bunch of people who got PAID like you read about, but does anyone look at this team and immediately think "guts?"

This group isn't winning the SB. I don't think they will get out of Media Week even if they get there.
 

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LOL @ spinning the defense actually playing well as a negative for Wade.

Wily dog, indeed.
 

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theogt;2522804 said:
LOL @ spinning the defense actually playing well as a negative for Wade.

Wily dog, indeed.

Who picked the DC that couldn't get them to play?

That's part of a Head Coaches job you know.

To me its evidence what everyone says - Wade is a good DC, not a HC.
 

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dbair1967;2522777 said:
how'd that defense do under that great defensive mind Parcells?

Parcells the GM did a good job here, Parcells the coach was a liability.

I think that argument could be made.

Conversely Wade the Defensive Coordinator has done some good things lately. Wade the coach is a liability.
 

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wileedog;2522810 said:
Who picked the DC that couldn't get them to play?

That's part of a Head Coaches job you know.

To me its evidence what everyone says - Wade is a good DC, not a HC.
Stewart is the DC now right? The defense is playing well right now, right? Stewart is significantly involved in coaching, gameplanning, teaching the defense, right?

Giving the guy the opportunity to call plays isn't a bad mark on Wade. When it wasn't working, Wade took over.
 

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theogt;2522839 said:
Stewart is the DC now right? The defense is playing well right now, right? Stewart is significantly involved in coaching, gameplanning, teaching the defense, right?

I don't know, is he? Because they sure stunk before Wade got "more involved". Do we know all Wade has done has taken over play-calling, or is he doing a lot more of these things too? My guess is the latter, defensive play calling doesn't account for everything.

And by that logic Wade is also then responsible for the team being physically annihilated by the friggin St. Louis Rams. Not sure shutting down poor offensive teams like Pitt or Baltimore, or the Giants without Plax or Jacobs washes that out.

If Stewart isn't here next season my guess is he's not nearly involved as you think he is anymore. We'll see.
 

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wileedog;2522849 said:
I don't know, is he? Because they sure stunk before Wade got "more involved". Do we know all Wade has done has taken over play-calling, or is he doing a lot more of these things too? My guess is the latter, defensive play calling doesn't account for everything.

And by that logic Wade is also then responsible for the team being physically annihilated by the friggin St. Louis Rams. Not sure shutting down poor offensive teams like Pitt or Baltimore, or the Giants without Plax or Jacobs washes that out.

If Stewart isn't here next season my guess is he's not nearly involved as you think he is anymore. We'll see.
If Wade is here, Stewart is here. Stewart is part of this winning formula, whatever his role is. Firing guys even when their unit is performing well is pretty stupid. But hey, if the shoe fits.
 

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theogt;2522864 said:
If Wade is here, Stewart is here. Stewart is part of this winning formula, whatever his role is. Firing guys even when their unit is performing well is pretty stupid. But hey, if the shoe fits.

Which is why Sean Payton stayed in NY after he got his play calling duties pulled by Fassel, right?

Oh wait....

Genius.
 

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Let Cowher bring in Chan. Heck, Cowher could even bring in his dowdy daughter and wife that NBC was so fond of putting on camera during his end-of-season collapses with Kordel "Slash" Stewart.

Remember how cute the mom and daughter were jumping up and down in the luxury box?
 
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