Hypothetically Dak has a great season

[thunderpimp91]

If you played and understood football, you would understand what happened, why and not spew such fallacies. It doesn't matter. The Cowboys know what they have in Dak and will resign him this year. Complain and taunt all you want. It's going to happen whether you like it or not.

I'm not saying you're wrong. Now I will say that my guess is Dak wont be a Cowboy in 2025, but it's certainly premature to say that's fact. What I don't understand is why the Cowboys would want to wait this late if their intentions are truly to resign the guy. His price only goes up unless something really bad happens in terms of health or performance this year. Extending him fixes much of the cap issues this team faces for 2024. Maybe the Cowboys think they have leverage on the guy to force him into a cheaper deal, but unless they are truly willing to move on they really carry zero leverage.

Logically this just isn't making sense to me with how the Cowboys have handled the Dak situation. I think they've mishandled the situation from either end. If they are willing to move on from the guy they've now minimized any return they would eventually get and are wasting an opportunity to see what they have in Jerrys pet cat, Trey Lance in what is now his walk year. If they want to sign Dak they've wasted an entire offseason where they could have gotten at least a couple of mid tier free agents to help the guy get over the hump.

What am I missing here, where is the confidence that Dak will be resigned coming from? Honest question too, I know most posts about Dak involve posters trying to bait posters into something, I'm genuinely trying to understand the other side of the argument. At this point I just don't see it from either side, why Dak would want to continue with this franchise, and why the Cowboys wouldn't have made a move already.

 

[Flamma]

We choose to let him play it out this season on his current number. Are we really going to enter contract negotiations with him then? If we don't like his offer now, we're going to like it later??? Later it's going to be way more than it is now. I don't get the hold up, put this conversation out of its misery please. Come out and say "we've seen his agents numbers, it doesn't align with what we feel at the moment!" "If he gets us further in the playoffs/Superbowl, we will happily make him the highest paid QB ever!"

Dak is going into his 9th season with the team. Are we still looking for something and expecting this eureka moment? Might as well ask what if Daniel Jones throws for 5000 yards and 50 TDs?

I think it is better to ask what will happen if the Cowboys take a moderate step back this season. Which is most likely what will happen.

 

[shabazz]

Please stop, I can only get so hard.

I thought so too until I started using yohimbe root......now a cat couldn’t scratch that thing.

 

[shabazz]

As to Dak's next contract? I don't think his performance this year will have anything to do with his contract as much as the marketplace will.

If he has a down year most GMs will take into account the roster around him but if he holds serve it will only bolster their confidence in awarding him a big contract.

I apply all of this to just regular season performances, of course......GMs should always consider his post season as well

 

[America's Cowboy]

Does it suck knowing you’re synonymous with “Dak fan”?

That long after he’s gone, if you don’t stop posting, you’ll never be able to get that stink off you? You’ll never be taken serious and will just be used as comedic relief.

That has to suck, but then again, that’s the danger when you become player over team like you have with Dak.

The player leaves, but the team remains, and your reputation forever tarnished.

So speaks the Eagles fan with the Eagles coach's picture as his avatar.

 

[jujoboys]

How many Eagles fans have you ever seen say they want Dak gone?

Dak guarantees no success for the Cowboys.

Dak has the worst record ever in the playoffs for a QB with at least 5 starts.

Eagles fans hope Dak is with the Cowboys forever.

But hey, knock yourself out.

I know plenty of Eagles' fans that would love to see Dak gone from the Cowboys. It's not because they think that he is good enough to win a Super Bowl or have playoff success. It's because he has a career record of 9-4 against the Eagles and they are confident that Jerry will pick a complete dud to replace him and that Dallas will go from flirting with the playoffs to a complete disaster like they were prior to Romo and Dak. They could be right but I think most of us Cowboys' fans have gotten to the point that we are willing to take a chance and go with somebody new. Dak has 2024 to prove whether or not Dallas needs to be in play to sign him. This upcoming schedule is filled with difficult teams. Dak has to do all of the following before I would even consider contract negotiations.

1) Continue to dominate bad teams
2) Start winning and playing great against teams like the 49ers, Ravens, etc in the regular season
3) Get us to at least the NFC conference game with him playing great in all games to get there including the NFC Conference game. A loss in the NFC conference game would be forgiven if the defense gave up tons of points and played like crap but Dak played great and wasn't the reason they lost.

I am about 99% sure scenarios 2 and 3 won't happen but if they did then I would reconsider signing him to a new deal.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

So speaks the Eagles fan with the Eagles coach's picture as his avatar.

@Aerolithe_Lion

You’re an Eagles fan. I’m sure you go to Eagles boards.

As an fanbase are the Eagles scared of Dak? Or would they love it if the Cowboys make Dak QB for life?

 

[Jarv]

If you played and understood football, you would understand what happened, why and not spew such fallacies. It doesn't matter. The Cowboys know what they have in Dak and will resign him this year. Complain and taunt all you want. It's going to happen whether you like it or not.

Why do you suppose they haven't signed him as of yet?

 

[America's Cowboy]

I'm not saying you're wrong. Now I will say that my guess is Dak wont be a Cowboy in 2025, but it's certainly premature to say that's fact. What I don't understand is why the Cowboys would want to wait this late if their intentions are truly to resign the guy. His price only goes up unless something really bad happens in terms of health or performance this year. Extending him fixes much of the cap issues this team faces for 2024. Maybe the Cowboys think they have leverage on the guy to force him into a cheaper deal, but unless they are truly willing to move on they really carry zero leverage.

Logically this just isn't making sense to me with how the Cowboys have handled the Dak situation. I think they've mishandled the situation from either end. If they are willing to move on from the guy they've now minimized any return they would eventually get and are wasting an opportunity to see what they have in Jerrys pet cat, Trey Lance in what is now his walk year. If they want to sign Dak they've wasted an entire offseason where they could have gotten at least a couple of mid tier free agents to help the guy get over the hump.

What am I missing here, where is the confidence that Dak will be resigned coming from? Honest question too, I know most posts about Dak involve posters trying to bait posters into something, I'm genuinely trying to understand the other side of the argument. At this point I just don't see it from either side, why Dak would want to continue with this franchise, and why the Cowboys wouldn't have made a move already.

Dak is easily a constant top 10 QB, arguably top 5-6. If you put the right pieces in place, Dak can lead you far into the playoffs. Problem is Dak has gotten greedy, the team is in salary cap Hell, several younger key starters are due for their big contracts, the Oline, Dline and LBs are being rebuilt with draft picks and the WR crew and RB crew are still in need of another playmaker. Jerry knows if he allows Dak to leave via free agency, this team has no chance for the next 3+ years of making the playoffs and filling his stadium's seats. They young key starters know this as well. They will want to jump ship and try their luck elsewhere if Dak is gone, instead of sticking around and wasting their prime years with some much lesser QBs.

 

[Flamma]

What am I missing here, where is the confidence that Dak will be resigned coming from? Honest question too, I know most posts about Dak involve posters trying to bait posters into something, I'm genuinely trying to understand the other side of the argument. At this point I just don't see it from either side, why Dak would want to continue with this franchise, and why the Cowboys wouldn't have made a move already.

This is my guess. They're not extending him this year because they owe 90 million to the cap. They'll revisit it next year when they owe 40M to the cap. They could still do it now and just not restructure the cap hit for 2024, but what other team have we seen do this?

The holdup has to be the ridiculous amount of money his contract would be against the cap and trying to manage that. Not to mention the price tag on the product. I know you're hungry, but 30 bucks is a bit steep for a hotdog.

My guess is they take the plunge this year and bite the bullet despite everything. If they don't sign him this year, their intentions (barring some miraculous performance in 2024) are to let him walk in 2025.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I know plenty of Eagles' fans that would love to see Dak gone from the Cowboys. It's not because they think that he is good enough to win a Super Bowl or have playoff success. It's because he has a career record of 9-4 against the Eagles and they are confident that Jerry will pick a complete dud to replace him and that Dallas will go from flirting with the playoffs to a complete disaster like they were prior to Romo and Dak. They could be right but I think most of us Cowboys' fans have gotten to the point that we are willing to take a chance and go with somebody new. Dak has 2024 to prove whether or not Dallas needs to be in play to sign him. This upcoming schedule is filled with difficult teams. Dak has to do all of the following before I would even consider contract negotiations.

1) Continue to dominate bad teams
2) Start winning and playing great against teams like the 49ers, Ravens, etc in the regular season
3) Get us to at least the NFC conference game with him playing great in all games to get there including the NFC Conference game. A loss in the NFC conference game would be forgiven if the defense gave up tons of points and played like crap but Dak played great and wasn't the reason they lost.

I am about 99% sure scenarios 2 and 3 won't happen but if they did then I would reconsider signing him to a new deal.

The Eagles have won a Super Bowl and been to another with two different QBs since Dak became a Cowboy.

Dak staying a Cowboys guarantees one less team the Eagles have to worry about come playoff time.

 

[Flamma]

Dak is easily a constant top 10 QB, arguably top 5-6. If you put the right pieces in place, Dak can lead you far into the playoffs. Problem is Dak has gotten greedy, the team is in salary cap Hell, several younger key starters are due for their big contracts, the Oline, Dline and LBs are being rebuilt with draft picks and the WR crew and RB crew are still in need of another playmaker. Jerry knows if he allows Dak to leave via free agency, this team has no chance for the next 3+ years of making the playoffs and filling his stadium's seats. They young key starters know this as well. They will want to jump ship and try their luck elsewhere if Dak is gone, instead of sticking around and wasting their prime years with some much lesser QBs.

I don't know that Dak got greedy. Jerry pushed too much of his pay forward, which leads us to where we are today.

I also don't believe we can't make the playoffs with a lesser QB. Rush was 4-1 when Dak got hurt. We probably would have made the playoffs with him. Not win 12 games, but playoffs none the less. That's all that matters now anyway, right?

 

[DoctorChicken]

The Eagles have won a Super Bowl and been to another with two different QBs since Dak became a Cowboy.

Dak staying a Cowboys guarantees one less team the Eagles have to worry about come playoff time.

Do you have some sort of script running that alerts you via text/email whenever Dak is mentioned on this forum? It seems like it. I'm trying to get into computer science and could use some tips.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I don't know that Dak got greedy. Jerry pushed too much of his pay forward, which leads us to where we are today.

I also don't believe we can't make the playoffs with a lesser QB. Rush was 4-1 when Dak got hurt. We probably would have made the playoffs with him. Not win 12 games, but playoffs none the less. That's all that matters now anyway, right?

Are you serious or joking? Anyone who watched those Cooper Rush 4 - 1 games knows 3 out of those 4 wins was 100% won by our Defense, not Rush. The record easily could have been 1 - 4 had our Defense not showed up to dominate and pull out those victories for the team.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Do you have some sort of script running that alerts you via text/email whenever Dak is mentioned on this forum? It seems like it. I'm trying to get into computer science and could use some tips.

I’ve asked this myself and never get a response lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't know that Dak got greedy. Jerry pushed too much of his pay forward, which leads us to where we are today.

I also don't believe we can't make the playoffs with a lesser QB. Rush was 4-1 when Dak got hurt. We probably would have made the playoffs with him. Not win 12 games, but playoffs none the less. That's all that matters now anyway, right?

The defense that season was playing its best football at the beginning of the year……they tailed off. The most credible team they faced that stretch was the Eagles and Rush was terrible.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

The defense that season was playing its best football at the beginning of the year……they tailed off. The most credible team they faced that stretch was the Eagles and Rush was terrible.

They tailed off right around the time Dak came back and started throwing INTs at a fast enough rate to lead the NFL by seasons end.

Weird.

 

[zrinkill]

If you put the right pieces in place, Dak can lead you far into the playoffs.

I agree with this ...... unfortunately Jerry will never do this.

Dak needs a great running game and a great defense to be successful.

And Jerry Jones has never given any QB both at the same time in over 28 years.

 

[Flamma]

Are you serious or joking? Anyone who watched those Cooper Rush 4 - 1 games knows 3 out of those 4 wins was 100% won by our Defense, not Rush. The record easily could have been 1 - 4 had our Defense not showed up to dominate and pull out those victories for the team.

Yes. That's my point. If you have a good team, an average to below average QB can take you to the playoffs. Tampa made the playoffs with Mayfield. We have a better team than Tampa. We don't need 60M Dak to be easily bounced in the playoffs.

 

[Flamma]

I agree with this ...... unfortunately Jerry will never do this.

Dak needs a great running game and a great defense to be successful.

And Jerry Jones has never given any QB both at the same time in over 28 years.

I agree. But that's not easy to do. It reminds me of 2014 and 2016. We had the running game, not the defense, and they were very good teams. We can say the Eagles and 49ers got to the SB that way, with a less than proficient pocket passer.