Hypothetically Dak has a great season

Flamma said:
Yes. That's my point. If you have a good team, an average to below average QB can take you to the playoffs. Tampa made the playoffs with Mayfield. We have a better team than Tampa. We don't need 60M Dak to be easily bounced in the playoffs.
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Right. But I thought the reason some of you want to get rid of Dak is because he can't carry the team far into the playoffs by himself. You honestly believe a lesser QB will be able to do that?
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
@Aerolithe_Lion

You’re an Eagles fan. I’m sure you go to Eagles boards.

As an fanbase are the Eagles scared of Dak? Or would they love it if the Cowboys make Dak QB for life?
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Dak is a good QB who is overly maligned on this board. I like all the good QBs. Lawrence, Tua, even Kyler. Not Carr, not Baker, 50/50 on Geno. That’s where I draw the line. But Dak is way above those 3.

However, I don’t think he and Dallas are a good fit. What Goff is doing in Detroit, what Stafford is doing in LA, what Hurts is doing in Philly… Dak can do that. But Dallas doesn’t want Dak to do that, they want him to do what Peyton did in Indianapolis, they want him to do what Brees did in New Orleans; that won’t work out for either party.

So when Dallas beats Philly or wins the division or gets a high playoff seed, it doesn’t really matter. Dallas vs Philly isn’t Dak vs Hurts, it’s Jerry vs Howie. Howie could win a SB in Dallas with Dak. So it doesn’t REALLY matter if you keep Dak or not. If Dak moves on, Jerry will go all in with the Trey Lances and the Paxton Lynches and the Johnny Manziels. If Dak stays, it’ll be more of the salary cap excuses and extensions of overpaid homegrown players.

Dak is definitely some of the issue, I have no idea why it seems like he doesn’t even get off the bus against the better teams on the schedule. But a better GM could compensate for that. So with Jerry, do whatever you want with Dak; it has almost no impact on the title hopes of Philadelphia, and that’s pretty damning.
 
A key phrase was said but the poster got it all wrong : “everyone knows where this ends up” and it’s Jerry and Stephen making dak a huge contract extension that pays like amongst the top 5 guys in the league or a large guaranteed number that offsets a lower pay day.

Jerry will not move on. He can’t rip the band aid off and I’m not necessarily saying he should but the cowboys get bent over a barbell with every hard line stance negotiation they make.
 
America's Cowboy said:
Dak is easily a constant top 10 QB, arguably top 5-6. If you put the right pieces in place, Dak can lead you far into the playoffs. Problem is Dak has gotten greedy, the team is in salary cap Hell, several younger key starters are due for their big contracts, the Oline, Dline and LBs are being rebuilt with draft picks and the WR crew and RB crew are still in need of another playmaker. Jerry knows if he allows Dak to leave via free agency, this team has no chance for the next 3+ years of making the playoffs and filling his stadium's seats. They young key starters know this as well. They will want to jump ship and try their luck elsewhere if Dak is gone, instead of sticking around and wasting their prime years with some much lesser QBs.
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Not sure I 100% agree, but there is some truth to this. I guess my struggle is that Dak clearly has the leverage at this point....like all of the leverage, but the Cowboys seem to want to downplay that idea which is probably my biggest concern in all this. They are only driving the price tag up as they did in 2020/2021 meanwhile Dak has a say in all this as well and may be at the end of his rope in terms of working with the Joneses.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
We choose to let him play it out this season on his current number. Are we really going to enter contract negotiations with him then? If we don't like his offer now, we're going to like it later??? Later it's going to be way more than it is now. I don't get the hold up, put this conversation out of its misery please. Come out and say "we've seen his agents numbers, it doesn't align with what we feel at the moment!" "If he gets us further in the playoffs/Superbowl, we will happily make him the highest paid QB ever!"
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If he has the identical season including that playoff no-show, I never want to see him as our QB again, if he at least plays like a 9 year yet in the playoffs and doesn't run on the last play with no time or look like a deer in the headlights, I will be Ok with a new contract....I think..
 
Coogiguy03 said:
We choose to let him play it out this season on his current number. Are we really going to enter contract negotiations with him then? If we don't like his offer now, we're going to like it later??? Later it's going to be way more than it is now. I don't get the hold up, put this conversation out of its misery please. Come out and say "we've seen his agents numbers, it doesn't align with what we feel at the moment!" "If he gets us further in the playoffs/Superbowl, we will happily make him the highest paid QB ever!"
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This team will not be motivated to play for Dak and look for him to finish the season for one reason or another (probably injury) on the bench.
 
Wouldn't care if he wins the MVP but if he sh*ts the bed again in the post season he's gone. How much failure are you going to put up with....you could argurbly get any 10-15 range quaterback for WAY less and still make the
playoffs last year with the same end result.

But Jerry and Stephen do not have the same mentality as the fans. They do not care about winning it all. As long as they stay relevant and Daks jersey sales continue to sell well that's all the matters to them
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
They did but Bengals weren’t playing well but still a solid win not trying to belittle it. Solid win for sure I just didn’t think Rush played all that well during that stretch.

It’s hard to say. Dak typically plays well against Philly. Dak barely beat the Eagles but he shredded that defense. Minshew shredded our defense but that wasn’t because of Dak.
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I don't disagree with any of this. The one thing Rush didn't do was turn the ball over until he got to the best team in the NFC. Dak doesn't do well against the best teams in the NFC either. We lost last year in Philly and they were nothing like the year they went to the SB.
 
America's Cowboy said:
Right. But I thought the reason some of you want to get rid of Dak is because he can't carry the team far into the playoffs by himself. You honestly believe a lesser QB will be able to do that?
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No. I do not believe a lesser QB can carry the team further. I believe a lesser QB can get to the playoffs and lose. Just the same way Dak does. We don't need to pay 50-60M to do that.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I can’t wrap my head around it.

Why do they not value the position? Teams tank for the position. Teams trade boatloads of picks for the position.

Who in this organization has warped Jerry’s mind into believing the QB position is “just another position” and left tackle or guard is what we need to build around?
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And they've been consistent with it since Quincy Carter.

Romo UDFA
Dak 4th rounder
Lance 4th rd pick trade

Always going for the long shot at the most important position and yes, Tony and Dak have played over their stations but it seems both of their limitations have shown up at THE most important times
 
Flamma said:
No. I do not believe a lesser QB can carry the team further. I believe a lesser QB can get to the playoffs and lose. Just the same way Dak does. We don't need to pay 50-60M to do that.
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I believe that a lesser qb increases our odds exponentially to getting the necessary draft position to finding the next cheap rookie franchise qb

Thats where I see the true value
 
Flamma said:
I don't disagree with any of this. The one thing Rush didn't do was turn the ball over until he got to the best team in the NFC. Dak doesn't do well against the best teams in the NFC either. We lost last year in Philly and they were nothing like the year they went to the SB.
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Hmm…the Eagles at the time were playing well. And Dak played well though we lost. Him stepping out killed that potential victory.
 
shabazz said:
And they've been consistent with it since Quincy Carter.

Romo UDFA
Dak 4th rounder
Lance 4th rd pick trade

Always going for the long shot at the most important position and yes, Tony and Dak have played over their stations but it seems both of their limitations have shown up at THE most important times
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There’s some truth to this but at the same time they got more out of Romo and Dak then they would’ve got out of anyone they had taken in the 1st round except Mahomes and Rodger’s….
 
beware_d-ware said:
Last season was about the top of Dak's range of outcomes. He's heading into year 9 and I don't think he's going to find another gear now.
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I don’t even think Dak took his game to another gear. He’s been this same guy since 2019 the year before he just was turnover prone.
 
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