I ain't giving up on Trey Lance

[4lifecowboy]

Dak in his rookie year got a chance to win the starting job and never took a step back. Even when he got injured and missed multiple games. So that kind of counters the argument of Trey Lance not getting reasonable chances to win the starting job back on the 49ers after he got injured. Or at the very least doing enough to keep the back up spot on the 49ers. Where he could then at least show enough in training camp/preseason to get an almost automatic starting job on another team. Without needing all of this time to show whether or not he can be a true QB in the NFL.

Also once again it can be pointed out that QBs around Lance's age who are in the NFL right now, have already shown enough promise to win the starting jobs on their team. And most of them won't be falling all the way down to 3rd string in the instances of some of them possibly getting injured and missing some time away from the field. Rookies in the NFL and QBs soon to be coming out of college over the next couple of years, will be at a far more advance place as a QB than Lance is right now. They'll show something other than just the ability to run for why there is belief they can be long time starters in the NFL.

Where as Lance's running ability is now being mentioned before his actual QB skills for why some are hoping for him to turn into this great QB. Even some in the game day preseason threads talking about how Lance needed to just run the ball when throwing the ball wasn't working out for him. As it's not a good thing to have a QB who will completely rely on his legs all of the time in place of developing and working on his passing skills.

That was a ready-made team Dak took over, the best Oline in the league, and a top RB. And he was thrown in there out of desperation. Come '25 Lance will be handed the reins with those same tools assuming we address RB in next year's draft. Then we can compare the two.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No, he wasn't. Lance was projected as a 1st/2nd round pick purely on his physical skillset. So, why was he taken so high? Because if you don't have a QB, you have nothing. So, the teams that want/need one jump up to the top to get a prospect. In this case, it was a small school guy w/ a great arm, quick release, and great athleticism. The scouts didn't proclaim he'd work out, all they did was their duty in evaluating his skillset.

Curious: Why did you say "no correction" and then correct it?

I don't disagree that QBs get over drafted. its the one key position you have to have, specially that ther eis a cap and rules have changed to favor passing game.

but he was PROJECTED, which is what it is, a projection based on limited information. however, he has been in the NFL for 4 years, practicing, playing, etc. and now there is actual NFL evaluation, which now projects him to be a 3rd string QB and if they redrafted would anyone take him in the first or second? they wouldn't. he is nothing but a long shot project because he is an olympic athlete not an NFL QB and that's why people fell in love with him. the athleticism. its not the first time its happened in the NFL and many before him have similarly failed.

the correction was in regards to premium pick...it was three premium pick, it was meant to emphasize.

 

[Chasing6]

using 46 completions as an example, he did have 88 attempts. Many factors come into play. They ran the ball a lot, and his WR's were not all that good.

He grew up in a town of 13,000 people and could not win the starting job. He should have been the HS starter in 7th grade.

 

[Chasing6]

4 years . . . 4 years . . . 4 years . . . lol

Now His ceiling is low

Oh and another thing. You are the one who keeps parroting that there is no improvement yet you post a quote about the Coach claiming a ton of improvement. Very odd

No not at all. His ceiling is fine.

However his floor is extremely low.

 

[DuncanIso]

No not at all. His ceiling is fine.

However his floor is extremely low.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There is more evidence he will be good, over your .05% of evidence. Do not put your .05% on me.

I am not complying about anything. You and the Trey hate club are constantly doing that.

I am a fan of team over individual player first. Something you apparently are not.

what evidence? that he is a 3rd stringer? that he still struggles with accuracy? that he still has trouble reading a defense pre-snap? or that he struggles to process where to go with the ball? that he was average, very average performance among QBs who played in preseason?

I don't hate trey. I wish him good luck. I just see him for what he is. a very raw, limited QB, in year 4 in the league. I am a fan of the team as well, no different than anybody else on this site except for a few. and Lance is not going to be able to lead cowboys anywhere. he can't even beat out Rush, who has noodle for an arm.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We will see. . . the future is still unwritten

the future is unwritten for every player in NFL who is on the team....that's not saying much

 

[Chasing6]

What is your point? He played 95% of the snaps.

Which has never happened in the history of the NFL.

 

[NotForLong]

If he had thrown 5 TDs instead of INTS then it's more likely he would have won the back up job. Especially if the claim is that he played well against the Raiders. So then you can't act like his preseason performances should only count for something in the game he played well in. I thought he should have a fair chance to show he could beat out Cooper Rush for the QB2 spot and he got that chance. Unless some believe that Cooper Rush was already the predetermined QB2 before the preseason games were even played. Which shows how the coaching staff didn't see enough in Lance's development yet to even think he had a legitimate chance to win the back up job. Enough where they would trust him over Cooper Rush to step in and play against starting defenses in the regular season, in the event of Dak getting injured for any lengthy amount of time.

Rush is a solid QB for the Cowboys. He is limited physical but makes up for it with his knowledge of the system. What's wrong with having him as the backup while having the developmental QB as the 3rd string

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry believes it. He is enamoured with Lance

he is not enamoured, he thought he was being clever, outbidding everybody else to get him, without a plan, then he proceeded to not pick up his 5th year option (if he was enamoured wouldn't he?). but Jerry's lips move and something comes out, because he hates to look like a fool and he just doesn't know he was a fool

 

[Chasing6]

Rush is a solid QB for the Cowboys. He is limited physical but makes up for it with his knowledge of the system. What's wrong with having him as the backup while having the developmental QB as the 3rd string

The entire world knows Trance needs and lacks playing experience. Sitting on the bench watching is not playing experience. QB3 gets little to zero reps during the week of an NFL season.

So please explain how he develops???

 

[NotForLong]

he is not enamoured, he thought he was being clever, outbidding everybody else to get him, without a plan, then he proceeded to not pick up his 5th year option (if he was enamoured wouldn't he?). but Jerry's lips move and something comes out, because he hates to look like a fool and he just doesn't know he was a fool

He did not want to commit to that option. , which would have been stupid based on Lance's play thus far. Which does not mean He will not offer Lance another contract

I said he was enamored because of the comment Jerry said about 49ers giving up 3 1st Rd picks for lance. Jerry is excited to have Lance on the team

 

[NotForLong]

The entire world knows Trance needs and lacks playing experience. Sitting on the bench watching is not playing experience. QB3 gets little to zero reps during the week of an NFL season.

So please explain how he develops???

Sitting and watching has been crucial to the success of many QB's in the History of the NFL. It is a part of the development

 

[Chasing6]

He did not want to commit to that option. , which would have been stupid based on Lance's play thus far. Which does not mean He will not offer Lance another contract

I said he was enamored because of the comment Jerry said about 49ers giving up 3 1st Rd picks for lance. Jerry is excited to have Lance on the team

Why not pick up his 5th year option?

Did he commit to giving him 95% of the preseason snaps?

If GM Jethro can see why the Niners gave up 3 first round picks, why is he still QB3?

Dak was only a 4th round pick. Why Trance not starting??!

 

[Chasing6]

He did not want to commit to that option. , which would have been stupid based on Lance's play thus far. Which does not mean He will not offer Lance another contract

I said he was enamored because of the comment Jerry said about 49ers giving up 3 1st Rd picks for lance. Jerry is excited to have Lance on the team

So what you are saying is the trade was stupid.

 

[Chasing6]

He did not want to commit to that option. , which would have been stupid based on Lance's play thus far. Which does not mean He will not offer Lance another contract

I said he was enamored because of the comment Jerry said about 49ers giving up 3 1st Rd picks for lance. Jerry is excited to have Lance on the team

He will be more excited at the end of the year when he is off the team.

 

[Chasing6]

Sitting and watching has been crucial to the success of many QB's in the History of the NFL. It is a part of the development

Yes, for QB's that had playing experience in College and HS.

 

[NotForLong]

Why not pick up his 5th year option?

Did he commit to giving him 95% of the preseason snaps?

If GM Jethro can see why the Niners gave up 3 first round picks, why is he still QB3?

Dak was only a 4th round pick. Why Trance not starting??!

1. Because it was a 1 year deal and Jerry will want to give him a multi year deal structured the way that He wants

2. What does 95% of the preseason snaps mean to you. To me it was an evaluation period

3. The comment was the answer to how Jerry feels the evaluation went. He is 3rd string because Dark is the starter and Rush is a Proven winner with the team. Lance is the developmental QB that is being groomed. It is really not that hard to understand

4. This question is nonsensical 9 years later what does 4th Rd have to do with anything. Why would the Raw developmental QB start over the veteran that is demanding 60 million a year on his terms?

It is what it is Lance did not create this situation. That is between Dak and Jerry. I am just excited to see a QB on the team with some talent. I do not see a finished product nor are there any guarantees that Lance will ever develope beyond His skill set now. He is an extremely intelligent man and he possesses abilities that are above average

I am just happy He is on the team and in the mix. I am extremely delighted Cooper is the initial back up because I do not think all the pressure falling on Lance's shoulders at this stage in his development would be beneficial.

I believe it is smart for Cooper to be the next man up if something were to happen to Dak. If he succeeds it will prove the Cowboys are built for success with ot without Dak. If Cooper struggles it proves this team is not as close to being a contender as some may believe. Then Lance will get the playing time he so sorely needs. If he has success then He is the New Hero. If he struggles it was a throw away year any way

 

[DuncanIso]

what evidence? that he is a 3rd stringer? that he still struggles with accuracy? that he still has trouble reading a defense pre-snap? or that he struggles to process where to go with the ball? that he was average, very average performance among QBs who played in preseason?

I don't hate trey. I wish him good luck. I just see him for what he is. a very raw, limited QB, in year 4 in the league. I am a fan of the team as well, no different than anybody else on this site except for a few. and Lance is not going to be able to lead cowboys anywhere. he can't even beat out Rush, who has noodle for an arm.

survey says otherwise.

the kid is fire.

 

[NotForLong]

He will be more excited at the end of the year when he is off the team.

Better odds that Dak is off the team then Lance

The only question with Lance is how much and how long. As is Lance cannot command a large salary unless He gets playing time and has success. Then His price will raise but maybe only into the 28 - 31 million range. If he plays out of his mind it might go into the 38 - 40 million range for 5 years which will be a bargain as QB salaries will continue to rise