I Am Sick Of Hearing...Bledsoe...

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DeathToTheSkinS said:
There is something Bledsoe has that these young flashy QBs cant...Lead a team when the team needs him most. For example, How many QBs can throw an int for a TD and then comeback as if it never happened and almost win the game


Yeah you're right. Boy, I sure am glad we don't have some loser like Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger. :rolleyes:

VIVA LA BLEDSOE!

As for this thread, yes it applies for every QB, but it REALLY applies for Bledsoe. If Bledsoe faces any kind of pressure he folds like a deck of cards. If you give him a great pocket to sit back and survey the field in he'll do great, but there are other QB's in the league who are still great under pressure and can also make plays with their feet.
 

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Drew Bledsoe is not unique in that he needs protection. He needs no more protection than Peyton Manning. He also needs no less options to throw the ball to than Peyton Manning. It's as if Drew Bledsoe is the only QB to ever step foot onto a football field who needs protection and targets with the way these announcer repeat themselves. I'm with you but I've been thinking this since preseason Bledsoe is not unique in that he needs protection.....just because he's not gotten it in Buffalo doesn't mean he's the only quarterback in the NFL who needs a good offensive line.

The Quarterback is the most dependent position on the field. He needs the other 10 guys to do their jobs and do them well for him to beable to perform to the best of his ability.

I predicted Drew would have an exceptional year based on what he's done in the past when he's had adequate protection and good receivers/tight ends. This was an informed prediction as opposed to some who just decided Bledsoe was "a statue" and his career was over at the age of 33. I knew the kind of arm he had I knew what he could do many of you didn't. Infact I see somebody on here STILL sporting a gd signature with Bledsoe as a statue...you look real smart, by the way.

http://www.cowboys-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12093

You obviously do not get the joke of my XCELLENT sig...you look dumb on here by the way for misunderstanding and assuming to know that which you do not know with regard to my sig!!!
 

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I was pleased when we signed Bledsoe, then I became skeptical in the preseason when he looked lost and indecisive in the offense. But we got him the protection that he needed early on and he grew into the offense. Now he does not need as much protection with his growing familiarity with the receivers and his OL. He is now throwing the quick routes, throwing to Key in situation where he would not early on, and he is having the confidence to step up in the pocket (something he was tentative about early on). Bledsoe's play has gotten better overall as the season has worn on. What was true early in the season about the amount of protection that Bledsoe needed is no longer true but the mediots are not recognizing that fact.
 

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It's true for most QB's that if you give him a pocket and time and open receivers...they caqn make the throw...So what is he handicapped or something?

Michael Vick
Brian Griese
Trent Dilfer
David Carr
Daunte Culpepper
Anthony Wright
Josh McCown
Aaron Brooks
Joey Harrington
Gus Frerotte
J.P. Losman
Kyle Orton
QC
Hutch

Those guys can't to it on a regular basis. Maybe that means the other QBs who can to it are just good QBs even if you have to protect them and give them time to think.

Maybe you just have to high of a standard for a good QB?!
 

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Michael Vick - D. Making
Brian Griese - Decision Making
Trent Dilfer - Decision Making
David Carr - Bad 'O' line
Daunte Culpepper - Decision Making
Anthony Wright - Bad 'O' line and D. Making
Josh McCown -
Aaron Brooks - D. Making
Joey Harrington - I'll give him bad 'O' line but mostly D. Making
Gus Frerotte - THe jury is still out in my mind.
J.P. Losman - Young, bad 'O' line and coaching
Kyle Orton - N.A. (Not familiar enough
QC - D. Making and bad 'O' line
Hutch - Bad 'O' line and Decision Making.

*** What Drew has on all of these guys on the above list is time in field. You'd expect all but maybe 3 of them to respond to pressure like a young QB because that's what they were and are. There are many reasons why QB's are not successful on any given team. There are many who believe that D. Carr would be better somewhere else that believes in providing just an ounce of QB protection. There are some who believe the West Coast Offense is not suited for M. Vick and he would be a lot more efficient than he is now. We don't know because of a lot of different circumstances involving each QB on the list.

The bottom line is that history seems to work against Drew. He has a longer history than any QB on the above list. History has a way of working against you because as we all know, it reveals tendencies of a individual player and team for that matter. Unfortunately, Drews history suggests that he will soon hit the wall that has plagued him for most of his career. What Drew has to do is acknowledge this recurrence and adjust. Be patient where he has pushed the envelope in the past. Make the short pass just as accurately as the long ones. Be the unquestioned leader of this offense. Not by position only but by performing at a higher level than anyone on the field. Being smarter as well.

This is the only way that Drew will maintain the high level of play that he started with this year. He is showing some cracks as of late and we need to get the plaster before he permanently crumbles.

Also, he will need support from the coaching staff!!!!! He needs the right plays called at the right time. He needs to be able to make play changes at the line of scrimmage that will actually work. He needs to have the support of the coaching staff to let him play.

IF this is done we will see what kind of QB we really have. IF he is capable of making the right decisions and making the throws I will see you in the Super Bowl if not this year next year for sure.
 

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Put him on the same team that Aikman played on, surrounded by the same weapons, and I'm not so sure he wouldn't even surpase the Great One. Remember, he doesn't have an Irvin to throw to. He doesn't have an Emmitt for D to committ 8 guys to. And he doesn't have an insanely large full-starting probowl offensive line to stand behind.

I've thought it since the day Parcells' drafted him, that he is the closest thing to Aikman to come into the NFL since Aikman. If we couldn't have had Aikman, then 4 years later I would have wanted us to have gotten Bledsoe.

And even more happy that we got him now when we did. He's seasoned and not slowing down any. We have no growing pains to suffer through. Give him a decent surrounding cast to play with and we should be set for 3-4 years now. I can't even imagine how good he's going to look if we committ to offense in the draft/FA this next year as we did on defense last year. Figure out which of the two RB's we have will be our main guy, draft and sign some big upgrade OLinemen and try to bring in a number 1 WR to go alongside Key. Do that and we could be the clearcut elite team in the league next year with Bled leading us.

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The thing you have to remember about Buffalo is that the WHOLE team simmered down. Bledsoe took the blame, but that Buffalo team is falling apart at the seems now that Bledsoe is gone.

I am very impressed with the Cowboys Defense this year. Sure, they have given up a few last second BIG plays to lose, but they have also been in every minute of every game. They are tough and have given the offense the ball when I thought they would never get it back.

I think the D is a huge reason we are 7-4.

As far as Bledsoe goes, we need to have that late in the game SURPIZE that seems to catch our D sometimes. WE need to reach into the O bag and pull out that BIG play at the end of close games.

I am happy Crayton will be back, he is fun to watch.
 

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Hi Cowboy Express. I agree with you to a point. I think Aikman was far more accurate than Beldsoe is. He also had a lot more patience than Drew has. Aikman had one dominant receiver but his 'O' line was so dominant that he was able to find Irvin eventually. Drew is extremely slow dropping back and doesn't throw the screen pass very well from what I've seen.

I agree that Aikman benefited from the superior 'O' line and Drew would have as well. Saying that, give most QB's that 'O' line and the learning curve would be a lot easier than it would be without it. It still doesn't mean that any QB behind that line would make the right decisions while in the pocket which is something that concerns me most about Drew.

Yes he has the arm to charm most fans but what dogs him is not his ability to throw the ball long. What has dogged him for years is his individual play that helped his teams loose despite the short comings around him.

One positive way to look at Drew is maybe despite his inferior 'O' lines he played with, he still managed to throw for almost 50,000 yards for his career. That's a lot of yards for any QB but it also speaks volumes as to why the Patriots would chose an unproven QB that was taken late in the draft to keep the starting QB position if Drew was so talented? They both are slow QB's. They both are tall. Both have strong arms. What could it be?

Well Brady is known for making the big throws and staying cool under pressure. He also calls many of his own plays. That tells me that he performs great under pressure especially when the time is running out and that the coaching staff trusts his mental grasp of the game enough to manage games at critical times in the game. Now that's a vote of confidence if there ever was one. These are the same guys who looked at the strong arm of Bledsoe. The many yards that he passed for and said despite all of this, we are going with the unknown kid over you. We trust him that much.

Drew still has to earn my trust. He is doing Great this year so far but as of late he is looking a little bit nervous. He does need help around him to perform but this team sometimes needs him to bail them out as well and until he becomes that QB he will always have a big ????? around his name in my book.
 

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What he doesn't bring to the table:

1. Accuracy on short passes. He is going to get JJ killed someday soon.

I might agree here. Some of his short passes are inaccurate. But then you look at the TD to Witten where he lasered it right into the numbers. Or you look at a crucial fiorst down to Witten late in the game when Bledsoe threaded it past the defender who was draped all over Witten, and your point is sometimes right.

2. Lack of mobility to even side step a rush. Teams will make up there mind to go after him because where he usually plants his feet is where he is going to stay. Easy target. Can take a hit though.

May I ask what games you are watching? He isn't Ron Mexico, but he sure does sidestep defenders at times. He did it several times in the Denver game. revisit the long pass to Keyshawn. He stepped away from the defender who was on Pettiti and found the open space in the cup and tossed a strike.

Making generalizations about this guy is dicey in my opinion.


3. Slow drop back. He's like Herman Monster when he drops back. This gives defenses time to adjust to the routes of our WR's and sniff out the play.

It has been commented on by several of the local press, and even Simms made the remark, that when we have had the miscues between Bledsoe and the center, the fix was slowing Drew down to assure he has the ball. Simms even made the comment that this may be why Denver was getting such a good jump.

4. Suspect decision making and has shown that he will give up the picks that you don't want to throw. Usually the kind to go back for a TD.

Please make a list of the interceptions for a touchdown he has throw BESIDES the pass which was picked by Bailey this season. Your comment is misleading.

5. Lacks the ability to take over a game although he has a couple of times this year. In other words, he shows flashes of greatness but will fall back to earth if everything isn't working on all fronts. Is not consistent in this area.

So he lacks an ability he has shown this season. The logic is staggering in this one comment.

So ,was the running game working in the Denver contest? Not really. But Drew had a 65% completion rating.

** As I have said earlier. I am not sold on the Drew project (both of them) as of yet and DB has to prove to me that he can raise his game above the adjustments of the remaining defenses that have now figured out how to beat him. He doesn't have a good 'O' line but we haven't had one of those for a while now so if anything he should be able to adjust to the pressures of bad 'O' line play better than our younger QB's had to deal with.

In my summation, I will rip this idea apart. But I wanted to highlight the most inane comment in your position.

He has a bad line, but he should overcome that.

John Kennedy had a bad seat in the motorcade, but he should have overcome that since he was such a great President.


As far as I am concerned, he is still a bus driver and I believe it is because Drew doesn't make the right decisions more times than not. BP knows him better than anyone on this forum and there is a reason why he doesn't let him fling it around. Also, to let Drew fling it around means that he can fend for himself for the most part back in the pocket and he just doesn't have the ability to keep plays alive on his own. He is horrible passing on the run so pass protection is a premium. With our 'O' line playing the way it is, BP has to be careful on when he needs to let Drew pass.

See summation below.

If I had to compare him to any QB in the league right now I would say that he is taller, stronger armed and less mobile Brad Johnson.

This would be the Brad Johnson who is a back-up to Dante Culpepper, one of the major busts in the league now that he doesn't have Randy Moss winning the jump ball contest in the endzone?

The Brad Johnson who has replaced Culpepper and won games?

Johnson is better than Culpepper. But he is not in the same zip code as Bledsoe.

Truly amazing.


I will now go and get my bullet proof vest and take cover.

:shootme:

Yes, good idea.

Here are some FACTS which negate your comments.

Drew Bledsoe leads the NFC in passing yards. 2557.

Drew Bledsoe is #4 in the NFL for passing yards. Tom Brady leads this category with 2782 yards. That is 225 yards more than Bledsoe. Or less than 20 yards per game.

Drew Bledsoe is #2 in the NFC for passer rating at 91.8.

Drew Bledsoe is #7 in the NFL for passer rating.

Drew Bledsoe has 2557 yards passing. He is averaging 232 yards per contest. He has five games left in this season. If he keeps up with his average this will give him 3719 yards passing for the season.

This would put him behind only Danny White with 3980 yards. A mere 261 yards less than the all time best for this franchise.

It would surpass Aikman (three Super Bowls victories) 3445, and Staubach (two Super Bowl victories, three Super Bowl losses) 3586.

He also has 33-year old Keyshawn Johnson, who will never be confused with a fleet-footed receiver. And Terry Glenn, who is 31-years old.

Those are his primary wide receivers.

He also has Jason Witten, who is am emerging star in this league at tight end. But you must admit Witten's production is down this season. He has 38 fewer catches with five games to go. And his yardage is a little over half what it was last year with 2/3rds of the season gone.

This Drew Bledsoe is not:

Ryan Leaf
Anthony Wright
Clint Stoerner
Chad Hutchinson
Drew Henson
Tony Romo
Tony Banks
Randall Cunningham
or
Quincy Carter

And I thank the Lord in Heaven that he isn't on that dubious list and he is what he is.

But swing away if it makes you feel good.
 

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I might agree here. Some of his short passes are inaccurate. But then you look at the TD to Witten where he lasered it right into the numbers. Or you look at a crucial fiorst down to Witten late in the game when Bledsoe threaded it past the defender who was draped all over Witten, and your point is sometimes right.



May I ask what games you are watching? He isn't Ron Mexico, but he sure does sidestep defenders at times. He did it several times in the Denver game. revisit the long pass to Keyshawn. He stepped away from the defender who was on Pettiti and found the open space in the cup and tossed a strike.

Making generalizations about this guy is dicey in my opinion.




It has been commented on by several of the local press, and even Simms made the remark, that when we have had the miscues between Bledsoe and the center, the fix was slowing Drew down to assure he has the ball. Simms even made the comment that this may be why Denver was getting such a good jump.



Please make a list of the interceptions for a touchdown he has throw BESIDES the pass which was picked by Bailey this season. Your comment is misleading.



So he lacks an ability he has shown this season. The logic is staggering in this one comment.

So ,was the running game working in the Denver contest? Not really. But Drew had a 65% completion rating.



In my summation, I will rip this idea apart. But I wanted to highlight the most inane comment in your position.

He has a bad line, but he should overcome that.

John Kennedy had a bad seat in the motorcade, but he should have overcome that since he was such a great President.




See summation below.



This would be the Brad Johnson who is a back-up to Dante Culpepper, one of the major busts in the league now that he doesn't have Randy Moss winning the jump ball contest in the endzone?

The Brad Johnson who has replaced Culpepper and won games?

Johnson is better than Culpepper. But he is not in the same zip code as Bledsoe.

Truly amazing.




Yes, good idea.

Here are some FACTS which negate your comments.

Drew Bledsoe leads the NFC in passing yards. 2557.

Drew Bledsoe is #4 in the NFL for passing yards. Tom Brady leads this category with 2782 yards. That is 225 yards more than Bledsoe. Or less than 20 yards per game.

Drew Bledsoe is #2 in the NFC for passer rating at 91.8.

Drew Bledsoe is #7 in the NFL for passer rating.

Drew Bledsoe has 2557 yards passing. He is averaging 232 yards per contest. He has five games left in this season. If he keeps up with his average this will give him 3719 yards passing for the season.

This would put him behind only Danny White with 3980 yards. A mere 261 yards less than the all time best for this franchise.

It would surpass Aikman (three Super Bowls victories) 3445, and Staubach (two Super Bowl victories, three Super Bowl losses) 3586.

He also has 33-year old Keyshawn Johnson, who will never be confused with a fleet-footed receiver. And Terry Glenn, who is 31-years old.

Those are his primary wide receivers.

He also has Jason Witten, who is am emerging star in this league at tight end. But you must admit Witten's production is down this season. He has 38 fewer catches with five games to go. And his yardage is a little over half what it was last year with 2/3rds of the season gone.

This Drew Bledsoe is not:

Ryan Leaf
Anthony Wright
Clint Stoerner
Chad Hutchinson
Drew Henson
Tony Romo
Tony Banks
Randall Cunningham
or
Quincy Carter

And I thank the Lord in Heaven that he isn't on that dubious list and he is what he is.

But swing away if it makes you feel good.


Great post -
 

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That pretty much "described" me when we acquired him.

I hate this dude. I couldnt stand Mr. Bledsoe when Parcells brought him and to go to sleep, I just figured I could just flip the channel when the team was on offense, so I wouldnt have to watch the guy :cool: .

Im the guys biggest fan. I was a little concerned when Mike Winiki told me Bledsoe got off to a fast start in Buffalo and then simmered down, but I think Bledsoe will continue to play well.

This guy is the MVP of this season. You would be hard pressed to tell me one other player on this team could make this team sink like a bag of potatoes like it would if Drew Bledsoe got hurt.

And some of the throws he made while the pocket was collapsing and guys like Al Wilson was hanging all over him was just amazing to me.

I put only one loss on Bledsoe's shoulder, which was the Seattle game and I guess you could make a strong case for the Oakland game.

But like I told my brother who is a fickle fairweather fan of the Cowboys, when Bledsoe throws an interception, he doesnt fold and go into a shell like Quincy or doesnt continue to be a gift that wont stop giving like Vinny. He comes back strong and keeps on making throws.

That is why I need this organization to Draft a young quarterback like Vincent Young (if he comes out) or some other top prospect so they can watch this guy and see how it is suppose to be done.

I am with you Mike. I hated the idea of Bledsoe coming in. I was never impressed with him other than the year NE went to the SB vs GB.
NE played in Dallas in the mid to late '90s and Woodson and the Dallas DBs made Bledsoe look like a clown.
However, since he came to the Cowboys I have been much more impressed. He seems like the offensive leader they have lacked since Aikman retired. I think Bledsoe is a big reason for Dallas being in so many games until the end.
For the thread starter that stated that any NFL QB can be effective "if" given the time to throw... well I first heard this argument from some NFL color commentator years ago. I used to believe it.
But after watching Donovan Mcnabb stand around behind great pass protection and throw countless grounders and one hoppers to his receivers I no longer buy the argument that just any NFL QB can get it done with good pass protection.
 

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I really thought Simms did a good job yesterday of pointing out how good Bledsoe really is, and how he's sick of hearing all the things Bledsoe can't do. it was nice to hear.
Yeah one time perhaps. But he must have said the same thing about 5 times. It got really annoying.
 

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I might agree here. Some of his short passes are inaccurate. But then you look at the TD to Witten where he lasered it right into the numbers. Or you look at a crucial fiorst down to Witten late in the game when Bledsoe threaded it past the defender who was draped all over Witten, and your point is sometimes right.

Hey I never said that he wasn't capable of hitting a short pass. I never said he hasn't. What I did say is that his short passes have been behind, too high or late getting to the receivers. His long intermediate to long passes have been impressive.

May I ask what games you are watching? He isn't Ron Mexico, but he sure does sidestep defenders at times. He did it several times in the Denver game. revisit the long pass to Keyshawn. He stepped away from the defender who was on Pettiti and found the open space in the cup and tossed a strike.

Making generalizations about this guy is dicey in my opinion.


Of course he's not Vick and the mere mention of Bledsoe in the same sentence with Vick in terms of mobility makes anyone sound silly. The bottom line is that throughout his career Drew has not been known to get out of the way of a good rush. To make it seem as if I am comparing Drew to Vick is dicey in my opinion.


It has been commented on by several of the local press, and even Simms made the remark, that when we have had the miscues between Bledsoe and the center, the fix was slowing Drew down to assure he has the ball. Simms even made the comment that this may be why Denver was getting such a good jump.

Drew has always been slow from the center. Have you watched him before he came to Dallas? Better yet. Look at how slow he comes out of the pocket even compared to Romo. In regards to Simms, he was double talking the whole game. His foot had to be removed from his mouth numerous times during the telecast. I guess we hear what we like.


Please make a list of the interceptions for a touchdown he has throw BESIDES the pass which was picked by Bailey this season. Your comment is misleading.

Read what I said I said. I said usually the TYPE that is returned for touchdowns. This means high risk passes and he hasn't been throwing those type of passes well at all. Drew had most of his INT's made on the out passes this year.

So he lacks an ability he has shown this season. The logic is staggering in this one comment.

Not sure what you are referring too on this one.

So ,was the running game working in the Denver contest? Not really. But Drew had a 65% completion rating.

I never said that he totally blew chunks this game. I will say that he is not looking as sure fire as he did earlier this year. Anyone who has watched the last few games cannot say that he has looked sharp at all. I know we will say that the 'O' line is the reason that Drew is struggling. I will agree to that to a point. I have seen enough to say that Drew has missed his share of passes that he clearly got off with minimal pressure. Using your QB ratings, Jake Plummer ranks higher than Drew Bledsoe this year as well as Marc Bulger. Care to defend that one?

In my summation, I will rip this idea apart. But I wanted to highlight the most inane comment in your position.

He has a bad line, but he should overcome that.

John Kennedy had a bad seat in the motorcade, but he should have overcome that since he was such a great President.


Not to sound insensitive but he should have been inside the car knowing the political climate at the time. Then again, I'm not much of a Monday morning politician.

See summation below.



This would be the Brad Johnson who is a back-up to Dante Culpepper, one of the major busts in the league now that he doesn't have Randy Moss winning the jump ball contest in the endzone?


How have you come to the conclusion that Dante is a bust? What does Drew have in ability that Dante doesn't? What has Drew done that doesn't make him a bust?

The Brad Johnson who has replaced Culpepper and won games?

Johnson is better than Culpepper. But he is not in the same zip code as Bledsoe.

Truly amazing.

One more time. How is Drew better than Dante? I'm not even going to ask you about Brad.



Yes, good idea.

Here are some FACTS which negate your comments.

Drew Bledsoe leads the NFC in passing yards. 2557.

If Drew Bledsoe averages 200 yards per game for the rest of the season. He will only eclipse QC's total for 2003 by 300-400 yards. To be honest. I don't think he will average 200 yards for the rest of the season. Teams already know what they have to do to get us out of our rhythm. Attack Drew!

Drew Bledsoe is #4 in the NFL for passing yards. Tom Brady leads this category with 2782 yards. That is 225 yards more than Bledsoe. Or less than 20 yards per game.

What offensive weapons does Brady have this year? What offensive weapons did QC have? Since you brought him up. I am not implying that QC is a better passer than Drew by any means. I will say that all of this stuff that everyone is throwing his way is slightly overblown. Many have said that Dante could have been the MVP for his play last year. Manning was the only better passer last year. Now to sink your little tug boat. Dante had his best passing year with Moss only catching a whopping (ready for this) 767 YARDS! Go figure!! That's less than what Terry Glenn has in total this year!!!!Great for Terry and the Cowboys! Bad for your Dante sucks argument.

Drew Bledsoe is #2 in the NFC for passer rating at 91.8.

Who cares. In 2003 Drew was ranked 22nd in the league while QC was ranked 24th. His completion % was (ready for this) 58.2 to QC's 57.8!!!!There goes your QB ratings out the window!! Then again, maybe Drew is not as great as you think or QC wasn't as bad as you say. Bottom line. Using numbers primarily to justify your claims will get you into big trouble like you are in now.

Drew Bledsoe is #7 in the NFL for passer rating.

Who cares again. Can he make the plays he has to make and will he not be the bone head player that he has shown to be in his LOOOONGGGGG past? Time will tell. He has some more proving to do. In addition, to make sure you never talk without doing your research. Dante has averaged over 90's in ratings 3 times and over 100 once. His highest QB rating was with Moss catching 767 yards and having his lowest output as a pro. Drew has never had a higher rating than 87!!!!! Oh and Brad. You know the guy that's not even in Drews zip code. Well he has reached the 90 QB rating 3 times!!!

Using your logic and resources makes Drew look ver AVERAGE!

Drew Bledsoe has 2557 yards passing. He is averaging 232 yards per contest. He has five games left in this season. If he keeps up with his average this will give him 3719 yards passing for the season.

Once again see Quincy Carter total for 2003. Who is currently in third place right now behind Troy . Numbers are not everything and if they are, you can take QC's name off of your list. I dare you. You wouldn't because you know what you saw while he was playing. The same way I see how Drew is playing right now.

Also. QC hit the 3000 yard plateau one year quicker than Troy did. He had a higher passer rating his first year than Troy. What does this mean? Absolutely EVERYTHING if you don't put these numbers in it's proper perspective.

This would put him behind only Danny White with 3980 yards. A mere 261 yards less than the all time best for this franchise.

It would surpass Aikman (three Super Bowls victories) 3445, and Staubach (two Super Bowl victories, three Super Bowl losses) 3586.

He also has 33-year old Keyshawn Johnson, who will never be confused with a fleet-footed receiver. And Terry Glenn, who is 31-years old.

Those are his primary wide receivers.

He also has Jason Witten, who is am emerging star in this league at tight end. But you must admit Witten's production is down this season. He has 38 fewer catches with five games to go. And his yardage is a little over half what it was last year with 2/3rds of the season gone.

When you are ready to talk about how a player is actually playing within the game I will listen.



Good day.
 

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Yeah you're right. Boy, I sure am glad we don't have some loser like Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger. :rolleyes:

VIVA LA BLEDSOE!

As for this thread, yes it applies for every QB, but it REALLY applies for Bledsoe. If Bledsoe faces any kind of pressure he folds like a deck of cards. If you give him a great pocket to sit back and survey the field in he'll do great, but there are other QB's in the league who are still great under pressure and can also make plays with their feet.

You must mean JP Losman and Vinnie T :) JP replaced Drew and Drew replaced Vinnie. In the case of JP, the team folded like a pretzel and in the case of Dallas they improved dramatically when Drew took over for Drew. Meanwhile, Vinnie and his Jets are battling for 1st pick in the draft.

I think bashing Drew is fun but he has proven he is a winner in my mind. Everywhere he goes, if he has protection, the team succeeds.
 

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...glaring weakness. The consistency of his deficiencies.

He's slow and he holds onto the ball too long!!!

For a defensive coordinator you can take that to the bank. So as the games go along all the opposing coordinators pursue the same quest, get pressure on Bledsoe and blanket his primary receivers. Either goal will get you a bad throw from Drew or a sack.

Why is this a glaring weakness? Because Drew has no answer for when opposing DC are successful. He won't grow a new pair of wheels overnight. He won't buy the receivers time with his moves to get uncovered.

And his weaknesses are there whether he has a full healthy complement of players on offence or when a critical component goes down - ie. Flozell Adams.

To beat Bledsoe it's a simple plan. Cover his receivers, make him spend time going through his progressions, and you know he will do that, almost to a fault in order to make the play. Then work your pressure towards the center of the pocket because 99% of the time he's going to be in the middle of it.

If Drew wants to beat the D, then he's going to have to throw better short passes and give the players a chance to beat defenders. He's going to have to look better and be more effective on rollouts.

Every so often he will have to give the impression that Drew is going to run through his progressions and then take off up the middle for positive yardage.

It's really about "not being Drew Bledsoe" that will give opposing teams' D fits as they try to gameplan a consistent and predictable QB.
 

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davidyee said:
...glaring weakness. The consistency of his deficiencies.

He's slow and he holds onto the ball too long!!!

For a defensive coordinator you can take that to the bank. So as the games go along all the opposing coordinators pursue the same quest, get pressure on Bledsoe and blanket his primary receivers. Either goal will get you a bad throw from Drew or a sack.

Why is this a glaring weakness? Because Drew has no answer for when opposing DC are successful. He won't grow a new pair of wheels overnight. He won't buy the receivers time with his moves to get uncovered.

And his weaknesses are there whether he has a full healthy complement of players on offence or when a critical component goes down - ie. Flozell Adams.

To beat Bledsoe it's a simple plan. Cover his receivers, make him spend time going through his progressions, and you know he will do that, almost to a fault in order to make the play. Then work your pressure towards the center of the pocket because 99% of the time he's going to be in the middle of it.

If Drew wants to beat the D, then he's going to have to throw better short passes and give the players a chance to beat defenders. He's going to have to look better and be more effective on rollouts.

Every so often he will have to give the impression that Drew is going to run through his progressions and then take off up the middle for positive yardage.

It's really about "not being Drew Bledsoe" that will give opposing teams' D fits as they try to gameplan a consistent and predictable QB.


Unfortunately, Drew has been very predictable on his past teams. May it be the fault of the O.C's or the head coaches. Bill has been trying to roll Drew out on plays but it stalls because he doesn't have the speed to get to the outside or he throws ground balls. Unless we start blocking up front much better, history suggests that it will be tough for us to ask Drew to do much more than what he is doing now.
 

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Yes - the same Drew Bledsoe that won two AFC Championship games. You'd think we were 0-11 and all DC's had him figured out.

Well fact is we are 7-4. We lost 4 games by 13 points. Two of those teams are 9-2, 8-2.

We are operating with the 29th rated running game based on YPC. Our Oline is dinged and has been below average in protecing Drew.

Yet Drew is on pace to throw for 3700-4000 yards, 64% completions, 23 TD's 13 ints and win 10 games.

What more do you want? He has hung tough and never let us out of a game to date. In fact battled back against a very good Denver team in the face of adversity. He made 2 bad throws but led us right back with answer TD's.

If we could make 4th quarter FG's there is no discussion here - NONE
 

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Nors said:
Yes - the same Drew Bledsoe that won two AFC Championship games. You'd think we were 0-11 and all DC's had him figured out.

Well fact is we are 7-4. We lost 4 games by 13 points. Two of those teams are 9-2, 8-2.

We are operating with the 29th rated running game based on YPC. Our Oline is dinged and has been below average in protecing Drew.

Yet Drew is on pace to throw for 3700-4000 yards, 64% completions, 23 TD's 13 ints and win 10 games.

What more do you want? He has hung tough and never let us out of a game to date. In fact battled back against a very good Denver team in the face of adversity. He made 2 bad throws but led us right back with answer TD's.

If we could make 4th quarter FG's there is no discussion here - NONE

:hammer: Agreed! But you try telling that to all of the chicken littles out there. :rolleyes:
 

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I have found in general Chicken Littles prefer small linebackers -
 

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Nors said:
Yes - the same Drew Bledsoe that won two AFC Championship games. You'd think we were 0-11 and all DC's had him figured out.

Well fact is we are 7-4. We lost 4 games by 13 points. Two of those teams are 9-2, 8-2.

We are operating with the 29th rated running game based on YPC. Our Oline is dinged and has been below average in protecing Drew.

Yet Drew is on pace to throw for 3700-4000 yards, 64% completions, 23 TD's 13 ints and win 10 games.

What more do you want? He has hung tough and never let us out of a game to date. In fact battled back against a very good Denver team in the face of adversity. He made 2 bad throws but led us right back with answer TD's.

If we could make 4th quarter FG's there is no discussion here - NONE

For the record Nors. I don't know if you've read an earlier post regarding Drew but here it is below:

The bottom line is that history seems to work against Drew. He has a longer history than any QB on the above list. History has a way of working against you because as we all know, it reveals tendencies of a individual player and team for that matter. Unfortunately, Drew's history suggests that he will soon hit the wall that has plagued him for most of his career. What Drew has to do is acknowledge this recurrence and adjust. Be patient where he has pushed the envelope in the past. Make the short pass just as accurately as the long ones. Be the unquestioned leader of this offense. Not by position only but by performing at a higher level than anyone on the field. Being smarter as well.

This is the only way that Drew will maintain the high level of play that he started with this year. He is showing some cracks as of late and we need to get the plaster before he permanently crumbles.

Also, he will need support from the coaching staff!!!!! He needs the right plays called at the right time. He needs to be able to make play changes at the line of scrimmage that will actually work. He needs to have the support of the coaching staff to let him play.

IF this is done we will see what kind of QB we really have. IF he is capable of making the right decisions and making the throws I will see you in the Super Bowl if not this year next year for sure.

I am not just jumping on the guys case and saying he is crap. However, I do think that his play is starting to be effected by the other holes in our team. Saying that. We cannot afford to have Drew make bad decisions or bad throws especially when he has time to throw it. He has been looking a little shaky lately and it concerns me. Looking historically at Drew, it seems that once teams get to him, he may become erratic with his play. Numbers or no numbers, he still has to prove that he can get pass the adjustments of the opposing defenses. We may need to depend on him more than we are now and I'm not sure we can. I hope I'm wrong.
 
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