I do not see any difference between that play and the Dez play in 2014 *merged*

[percyhoward]

There, that sums it up. And the point you don't get. Those "acts" you keep referring to apply to an upright player. Acts that apply to going to the ground are limited to gathering themselves, regaining balance, bracing.

Not in 2014, my friend.

Seriously, watch the tutorial.

 

[percyhoward]

So again I ask, where is your support for the rule "changing" as you say from major media outlets who covered this?

It's a little scary that someone would need the media to tell them what they're seeing.

This is the third part of the catch process that determines when a player has had the ball long enough to become a runner.

2014
maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.

2015
A player becomes a runner when he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent.​

They took out "pitch it," "pass it," and "advance with it."

They then added a completely new sentence to Item 1: A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long
enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner.

 

[percyhoward]

During the actual game, Pereira says he'd reverse it, even before Steratore announced the reversal. Then note below after the game how you hear Pereira say almost exactly what I explain in that post I linked. "If you're going to the ground, you have to prove that you have the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game and do so."

Thank you.

@BlindFaith That is exactly the opposite of saying that going to the ground trumps the catch process.

That is the catch process.

 

[BlindFaith]

Not in 2014, my friend.

Seriously, watch the tutorial.

What tutorial? So you have shifted away from the rules which you can't understand to a tutorial? How deep is this rabbit hole?

 

[percyhoward]

Show me where a 2014 rule says you can’t complete the catch process while going to the ground.

Pereira: "If you're going to the ground, you have to prove that you have the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game and do so."

Know what C? I don't think these people who are left are even reading the posts they're supposedly "responding" to.

What tutorial?

Definitely not reading them.

 

[BlindFaith]

Thank you.

@BlindFaith That is exactly the opposite of saying that going to the ground trumps the catch process.

That is the catch process.

And that is exactly what they clarified. Long enough is what exactly? In your eyes?

Time equals regaining balance. Warding off a defender. And that is supported by the other two use cases. Balance and bracing.

He didn't say anything that isn't in the rule book. And he's not saying anything I haven't said or hasn't been said a 100 times.

 

[BlindFaith]

Know what C? I don't think these people who are left are even reading the posts they're supposedly "responding" to.

Definitely not reading them.

You're right. I skip over the same copy and paste you provide and skim for your actual point. As far and few as they are.

 

[MarcusRock]

It's a little scary that someone would need the media to tell them what they're seeing.

This is the third part of the catch process that determines when a player has had the ball long enough to become a runner.

2014
maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.

2015
A player becomes a runner when he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent.​

They took out "pitch it," "pass it," and "advance with it."

They then added a completely new sentence to Item 1: A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long
enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner.

We all know they re-worded the rules. What support do you have out there that the re-wording means what you say it means besides your own supposition?

 

[percyhoward]

And that is exactly what they clarified. Long enough is what exactly? In your eyes?

Time equals regaining balance. Warding off a defender. And that is supported by the other two use cases. Balance and bracing.

He didn't say anything that isn't in the rule book. And he's not saying anything I haven't said or hasn't been said a 100 times.

These are your words:

Tucking or reaching while falling is not valid.

You (I'm assuming here) have watched Blandino's tutorial on going to the ground, where he specifically says the reach completes the catch process.

You've been shown Blandino's comments on the day of the game that a two-handed reach would have completed the catch process.

You've been shown the description on the NFL's website that says the key question was whether Bryant performed an act common to the game by reaching for the goal line.

There, I kept it short.

 

[MarcusRock]

Thank you.

@BlindFaith That is exactly the opposite of saying that going to the ground trumps the catch process.

That is the catch process.

Lol. This isn't the opposite of anything. He's explaining what I said the case plays said in that link to my post I gave your wingman.
To quote old Ronnie, "there you go again."

 

[MarcusRock]

Know what C? I don't think these people who are left are even reading the posts they're supposedly "responding" to.

Definitely not reading them.

Lol, now you're breaking usual protocol to rally your emotional wingman to parrot for you. Maybe I should rephrase the question:

What support do you have out there that the re-wording of the catch rule in 2015 means what you say it means besides your own supposition and parrot wingmen?

 

[percyhoward]

We all know they re-worded the rules. What support do you have out there that the re-wording means what you say it means besides your own supposition?

What do you mean by "support out there?" What about in here...

You're looking at one year's version of the rule that says "pitch it, pass it, advance with it, avoid or ward of an opponent" and comparing to the next year's rule that just says "avoid or ward off an opponent."

Don't wait for the media to show you the difference, just read it.

 

[MarcusRock]

What do you mean by "support out there?" What about in here...

You're looking at one year's version of the rule that says "pitch it, pass it, advance with it, avoid or ward of an opponent" and comparing to the next year's rule that just says "avoid or ward off an opponent."

Don't wait for the media to show you the difference, just read it.

Cute, but I already said it changed nothing about the rule and have examples of others who examined it and backed it up.

What support do YOU have out there that the re-wording means what you say it means besides your own supposition?

 

[percyhoward]

Cute, but I already said it changed nothing about the rule and have examples of others who examined it and backed it up.

It must have taken a team of Oxford linguists several weeks to spot the difference in these two sentences.

A player becomes a runner if he maintains control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent.

A player becomes a runner if he maintains control long enough to avoid or ward off an opponent.

 

[MarcusRock]

It must have taken a team of Oxford linguists several weeks to spot the difference in these two sentences.

A player becomes a runner if he maintains control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent.

A player becomes a runner if he maintains control long enough to avoid or ward off an opponent.

And? Are those exhaustive lists of what a runner does? We know the wording changed. The rule did not. I've said it and it is backed up otherwise. Let me re-hash.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...hange-catch-rule-after-dez-bryant-controversy
"To put it bluntly, the rule itself has not changed."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...rule-and-it-might-actually-be-more-confusing/
"The interesting part here is that Dez Bryant's no-catch, the thing that sparked the rule change, would still be a no-catch under the new rule."

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/...anges-and-points-of-emphasis-to-watch-in-2015
"Let's be clear. The rule that disallowed an apparent catch by Dallas Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant in the NFC divisional playoffs, and another by Detroit Lions receiver Calvin Johnson in 2009, remains unchanged in substance. The NFL did modify its wording, however, in hopes of making the rule make more sense to players, fans and media members in cases where a player is falling while in the process of making a catch."


Show me where anyone else out there besides your own mind's creation thinks the re-wording means what you say it means?

 

[percyhoward]

And? Are those exhaustive lists of what a runner does?

So they had less ink that year?

Why did they take out the football move? Why on earth would a player's ability to advance with the football not be an indication that the catch process was completed? Or better yet, why would they no longer want it to be an indication of that?

 

[percyhoward]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...hange-catch-rule-after-dez-bryant-controversy
"To put it bluntly, the rule itself has not changed."....

When I start waiting for the media to do my thinking for me, just dig a hole, push me in, and cover me up.

 

[BlindFaith]

So they had less ink that year?

Why did they take out the football move? Why on earth would a player's ability to advance with the football not be an indication that the catch process was completed? Or better yet, why would they no longer want it to be an indication of that?

It's about protecting the player. If they rule it a catch at any point while the player is falling, it exposes the player to more fumbles.

This is exactly the part of the rule everyone is up in arms about and want changed.

They want to have what looks like a catch to be a catch. Dez looked like he caught it.

But let's say after Dez gets his second foot down the defender hits the ball out of his hands. If you change the rule, that would be a fumble. Or if he loses it while stumbling. Or if he looses it while reaching. So many places for it to go wrong. As the rule stands now, all he has to do is hang onto it while contacting the ground. Sounds easier than risking a fumble.

An upright player has a less to worry about, in regards to falling. The football move or act common then applies.

 

[percyhoward]

It's about protecting the player. If they rule it a catch at any point while the player is falling, it exposes the player to more fumbles.

They put it back in the next year.

2016
A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps.

Have you watched Blandino's tutorial on going to the ground yet?

 

[BlindFaith]

They put it back in the next year.

2016
A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps.

Have you watched Blandino's tutorial on going to the ground yet?

And I thought you were getting close.

I'm done reading or watching anything more on this. Think what you will.