I do not see any difference between that play and the Dez play in 2014 *merged*

[BlindFaith]

Cite a rule that says it and stop the dodging.

Go back and read the case plays. They've been posted several times. Go back and read my post which you clearly havent.

 

[BlindFaith]

Cite a rule that says it and stop the dodging.
How about what is the same? The switch to his left hand, the launching off the left leg. They are the same act that happens in both, it does not say in the rule that there is a partial football move and a better football move that counts.
It is like saying a RB that makes a spin move and gains 1 yard didn't make a spin move because the last time he made a spin move he went 60 yards. It is moronic.

Think gather.
Falling, gathering, lunging.
Falling, bracing, lunging.
Falling, regaining balance, lunging.

Not
Falling, time, stiff arm
Falling, time, sticking arm out
Falling, time, switching hands

Time does not equal gather.

Gather does equal stay up right long enough.

See how they got from point A to C without a cospiracy?

 

[percyhoward]

Blandino addressed the failed lunge and showed what a good lunge looked like. From the same player.

Police take statements from witnesses at crime scenes, and if the witness changes his story, they know he's not a credible witness. That video is from Total Access, the day after the game. As the host told him, "You've been looking at this all day long, so you've got your explanation down pat." Wink, wink.

Before Blandino had had a full day to prepare an explanation, when he was first interviewed by Eisen on Game Day Final, he was specifically asked about the football move. He didn't say one word about the lunge.

"In order for it to be a football move, it’s got to be more obvious than that, reaching the ball out with both hands, extending it for the goal line. This is all part of in our view, all part of his momentum in going to the ground."

Who knows why he actually overturned the catch? An hour afterward, it was because the reach wasn't obvious enough. 24 hours later, it was because the lunge wasn't as good as a better lunge they'd found. In any case, he says all Dez did was fall. He has to say that, because if Dez did anything to advance the ball, by definition it's a football move and it completes the catch.

Here's Dez just falling on his ***.

Dez turning upfield, then taking another step, then tucking the ball in one hand, then lunging, then reaching for the goal line.

 

[blindzebra]

Go back and read the case plays. They've been posted several times. Go back and read my post which you clearly havent.

I am not explaining the difference of a case play that you are misinterpreting, and an actual rule. Percy and I have 8.1.3.c and 3.2.7 on our side.
Let's see gather or lunge in the rule book, while we are at it show me football move that isn't a football move enough in there, because that is what Blandino said.

Frankly the only real difference in the two plays was the position of the defender and the affect that had on the lunge. In NY Dez could use both legs, in GB his right leg was tangled with Shields and he could only launch with his left.

 

[BlindFaith]

Police take statements from witnesses at crime scenes, and if the witness changes his story, they know he's not a credible witness. That video is from Total Access, the day after the game. As the host told him, "You've been looking at this all day long, so you've got your explanation down pat." Wink, wink.

Before Blandino had had a full day to prepare an explanation, when he was first interviewed by Eisen on Game Day Final, he was specifically asked about the football move. He didn't say one word about the lunge.

"In order for it to be a football move, it’s got to be more obvious than that, reaching the ball out with both hands, extending it for the goal line. This is all part of in our view, all part of his momentum in going to the ground."

Who knows why he actually overturned the catch? An hour afterward, it was because the reach wasn't obvious enough. 24 hours later, it was because the lunge wasn't as good as a better lunge they'd found. In any case, he says all Dez did was fall. He has to say that, because if Dez did anything to advance the ball, by definition it's a football move and it completes the catch.

Here's Dez just falling on his ***.

Dez turning upfield, then taking another step, then tucking the ball in one hand, then lunging, then reaching for the goal line.

What's the point of the first video? Did he maintain possession of the ball while contacting the ground? If he did, it's a catch.

 

[blindzebra]

Police take statements from witnesses at crime scenes, and if the witness changes his story, they know he's not a credible witness. That video is from Total Access, the day after the game. As the host told him, "You've been looking at this all day long, so you've got your explanation down pat." Wink, wink.

Before Blandino had had a full day to prepare an explanation, when he was first interviewed by Eisen on Game Day Final, he was specifically asked about the football move. He didn't say one word about the lunge.

"In order for it to be a football move, it’s got to be more obvious than that, reaching the ball out with both hands, extending it for the goal line. This is all part of in our view, all part of his momentum in going to the ground."

Who knows why he actually overturned the catch? An hour afterward, it was because the reach wasn't obvious enough. 24 hours later, it was because the lunge wasn't as good as a better lunge they'd found. In any case, he says all Dez did was fall. He has to say that, because if Dez did anything to advance the ball, by definition it's a football move and it completes the catch.

Here's Dez just falling on his ***.

Dez turning upfield, then taking another step, then tucking the ball in one hand, then lunging, then reaching for the goal line.

As I posted to BF, what is a not good enough football move? It really is like saying that a runner makes a spin move and gets 1 yard, really didn't make the spin because the last time he went for 60 yards after he did a spin move.

 

[BlindFaith]

I am not explaining the difference of a case play that you are misinterpreting, and an actual rule. Percy and I have 8.1.3.c and 3.2.7 on our side.
Let's see gather or lunge in the rule book, while we are at it show me football move that isn't a football move enough in there, because that is what Blandino said.

Frankly the only real difference in the two plays was the position of the defender and the affect that had on the lunge. In NY Dez could use both legs, in GB his right leg was tangled with Shields and he could only launch with his left.

Mmmkay

 

[blindzebra]

What's the point of the first video? Did he maintain possession of the ball while contacting the ground? If he did, it's a catch.

The point was what momentum to the ground looks like.

 

[BlindFaith]

The point was what momentum to the ground looks like.

Looks a lot like the momentum of the second one.

So what's the point?

 

[blindzebra]

Looks a lot like the momentum of the second one.

So what's the point?

That momentum going to the ground does not make Dez move the ball to the hand closest the goal line and launch off his bent left leg, kicking up the turf, trying to propel himself into the end zone.

 

[BlindFaith]

That momentum going to the ground does not make Dez move the ball to the hand closest the goal line and launch off his bent left leg, kicking up the turf, trying to propel himself into the end zone.

Hey, we're getting somewhere. Yes, they both show him going to the ground.

They both show lots of momentum in doing so.

So much momentum that he never regains his balance or gathers himself in either of them.

Now in the second one he does get in an extra step and a lunge as he's falling. But he never interrupts the fall or gathers himself. He just goes right to the ground.

 

[BlindFaith]

That momentum going to the ground does not make Dez move the ball to the hand closest the goal line and launch off his bent left leg, kicking up the turf, trying to propel himself into the end zone.

And all joking aside. This is the part that is confusing to everyone. The rules are poorly written. And I agree that Blandino messed up his explanations a few times.

But when he had a chance to prep for it he found the case play. It's like every time he tried to explain it he read another part of the rules.

By that last time he had read them all and figured out the intent. I hold that against him. He should have clearly known from the start why it wasn't a catch.

 

[blindzebra]

Hey, we're getting somewhere. Yes, they both show him going to the ground.

They both show lots of momentum in doing so.

So much momentum that he never regains his balance or gathers himself in either of them.

Now in the second one he does get in an extra step and a lunge as he's falling. But he never interrupts the fall or gathers himself. He just goes right to the ground.

Again where is that gathers himself in the rule book? Blandino pulled that right out of his butt.

 

[blindzebra]

And all joking aside. This is the part that is confusing to everyone. The rules are poorly written. And I agree that Blandino messed up his explanations a few times.

But when he had a chance to prep for it he found the case play. It's like every time he tried to explain it he read another part of the rules.

By that last time he had read them all and figured out the intent. I hold that against him. He should have clearly known from the start why it wasn't a catch.

A more likely take, from the time he said not football move enough to that video, someone pointed out the case play, and the explanation without rule support was born, and would eventually become upright long enough. Both were used to cover the mistake made in GB.

 

[percyhoward]

Now in the second one he does get in an extra step and a lunge as he's falling. But he never interrupts the fall or gathers himself.

Then how do you know he lunged?

 

[BlindFaith]

Again where is that gathers himself in the rule book? Blandino pulled that right out of his butt.

Case plays my man. You love em right?

Someone told me you can't put everything in the rule book. It would be a thousand pages. I thought that was silly, but I've never officiated a game.

And we are back to conspiracy now?

 

[percyhoward]

He should have clearly known from the start why it wasn't a catch.

Ya think?

 

[BlindFaith]

Then how do you know he lunged?

Looks kinda like a lunge. Maybe a reach. A stumble and reach?

Doesn't matter because he never regained his balance or gathered himself while going to the ground.

 

[BlindFaith]

Ya think?

That's why I have consistently called him an idiot. Not that the call was wrong, but rather he botched up why it was called the way it was. Until after having time to really read all the rules.

 

[percyhoward]

A more likely take, from the time he said not football move enough to that video, someone pointed out the case play, and the explanation without rule support was born, and would eventually become upright long enough. Both were used to cover the mistake made in GB.

I'm sure somebody also mentioned that Victor Cruz had reached with one hand and it was considered a football move, so then they had to scramble to find some other way to sell the overturn. That must have been one crazy day trying to get it all together to tape the segment in time to air.