I don't know if Romo survives that game

[mattjames2010]

Not sure if you noticed, but the Cowboys have played more than one game this year. You're being a prisoner of the moment. Does Aaron Rodgers have a "noodle arm" because he had a few bad games? Of course not. I don't see any appreciable difference between Romo and Prescott's arm strength. I do see a difference in the offensive playcalling, however, which is fine. It's working well.

And I have been discussing his lack of arm strength before last night. I will wait for other rookie comparisons. Because I have two lined up right now, Kap and Tebow, and that's not someone I want our future QB to be compared to.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think the stat is that in the last four games Romo has started, he's only finished one of them. Those things don't magically go away when you're his age in the NFL. I didn't think this to start the year, but I really don't think Romo brings any skills to the table that really put him above the value added that Prescott brings simply with his ability to take hits, run the ball, and move around. I really don't care what they decide to do as long as they keep winning, as I'm a big Romo fan, but I don't want to give up a couple of games while Romo shakes the rust off (which he will no doubt have to do).

He broke his collarbone in two of them. There are certain injuries that can be predicted by genetics like soft tissue injuries given a certain phenotype but the types of injuries Romo has are just so much noise.

Romo can read defenses particularly in the red zone and throws a much better deep ball. He scores through the pass a heck of a lot better frankly.

I get that you think that Romo is broken. It's based on feel after circumstance and not anything real. Very similar to your notion after seeing the team win and saying Dak has 'it.' I think more precisely the defense had 'it' this game while Dak was melting down under the pressure.

Don't get me wrong that doesn't mean Dak is broken. Pressure makes diamonds too but against the better teams those read options plays pale compared to the big plays Romo brings to the table. It will be like the second half of 2014.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

And I have been discussing his lack of arm strength before last night. I will wait for other rookie comparisons. Because I have two lined up right now, Kap and Tebow, and that's not someone I want our future QB to be compared to.

You can talk about his "lack of arm strength" all you want. That doesn't mean it exists. Newsflash, most rookie QBs don't even play. This dude isn't even close to being Tebow, and Kaepernick didn't start a single game his rookie year, so that's a bad comparison, too.

 

[mattjames2010]

You can talk about his "lack of arm strength" all you want. That doesn't mean it exists. Newsflash, most rookie QBs don't even play. This dude isn't even close to being Tebow, and Kaepernick didn't start a single game his rookie year, so that's a bad comparison, too.

Arm strength was an issue in college, genius. How about going back and actually watching some games? This criticism didn't come out of thin air.

Also, in terms of random noodle arm, he compares to Tebow. Having high school level footwork is in Kap territory.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

He broke his collarbone in two of them. There are certain injuries that can be predicted by genetics like soft tissue injuries given a certain phenotype but the types of injuries Romo has are just so much noise.

Romo can read defenses particularly in the red zone and throws a much better deep ball. He scores through the pass a heck of a lot better frankly.

I get that you think that Romo is broken. It's based on feel after circumstance and not anything real. Very similar to your notion after seeing the team win and saying Dak has 'it.' I think more precisely the defense had 'it' this game while Dak was melting down under the pressure.

Don't get me wrong that doesn't mean Dak is broken. Pressure makes diamonds too but against the better teams those read options plays pale compared to the big plays Romo brings to the table. It will be like the second half of 2014.

Prescott has been really good in the red zone and better at getting TDs on our first drive. At least that's what I'm seeing. Romo simply takes way more chances, which can be both a good and bad thing, but if we can avoid going back to that type of offense where Romo has to pull a bunch of stunts that he's increasingly less able to pull of from a physical standpoint, all the better. There are big benefits to playing safely and efficiently at that position. You know whose stat lines Prescott reminds me of in terms of how they manage the game (exception of running)? Aikman.

 

[Clove]

This comment is so vague.

"I don't really remember this, and I don't really remember that, but I do remember my agenda, so trust me when I say"

I actually don't remember the game but when I do, you'll be the first person I quote. While we're waiting, what agenda do I have when we have no NFC Championship games or no Super bowls games or titles in 20 years? What's my agenda?

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

Arm strength was an issue in college, genius. How about going back and actually watching some games? This criticism didn't come out of thin air.

Also, in terms of random noodle arm, he compares to Tebow. Having high school level footwork is in Kap territory.

I've watched all the games, "genius". And in terms of this guy being somehow comparable to Tebow (LMAO), all 32 NFL teams disagree. Tebow doesn't have an NFL gig anymore. Let me know which year Tebow was top 5 in QB halfway through the season , too. Let me save you some time, you'll find no such season. Now sit there and watch Prescott make the Pro Bowl as a rookie.

 

[mattjames2010]

http://nfldraftreport.sportsblog.co...escott-mississippi-state-scouting-report.html

Arm Strength…Prescott is good at moving the chains, but even when he sets his feet properly and steps into his long throws, the ball will flutter and wobble often. He needs to show better zip on his 12-to-15-yard throws also

This has been an issue for Dak since college. There are enough games on YouTube you can watch of him in college to see this has always been one of his biggest issues. You can work on footwork, you can't work on arm strength. You either have it or you don't.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Arm strength was an issue in college, genius. How about going back and actually watching some games? This criticism didn't come out of thin air.

Also, in terms of random noodle arm, he compares to Tebow. Having high school level footwork is in Kap territory.

So we cut him as soon as Romo's healthy right? Problem solved... we'll looked for a strong armed qb in the draft that can hit "tight windows" and represent our future. If the coaches see what you see... we simply cut Dak. Problem solved.

 

[Clove]

Those sellout blitzes were not hard to beat and Romo wouldn't brain fart on the zone blitzes. Romo finds Dez, Beasley and co on the 1v1s. They do that to Romo and Dez has 8 catches for 240 yards and Beasley gets the ball in the first half. No way on Earth they show all those 8 and 9 man boxes and send the house.

Missing the LB underneath is something Romo used to do early in his career; he wouldn't struggle to make reads in the RZ like that. Dak threw that pick and spit the bit for awhile. That 2 minute at the end of regulation seemed to settle him down but Dak's accuracy was again inconsistent. COmpounding matters he lost poise and was getting DoG and seeing ghosts. We have all seen rookie QB do worse but Dak performed poorly under those sellout blitzes.

On what planet? Do you think they would have that type of game plan vs Romo? I don't think so, but whatever it was, Romo is not Super Man. Romo has never gone 16-0 in a season, ever! What makes Romo homers think he can all of a sudden win 16 straight games, and 4 straight games to win a play off game?

 

[Clove]

Tony also didnt play for a big school in the SEC...theres 2 sides to that coin.

True, and he's never played in a Super Bowl either. So there's that...

 

[mattjames2010]

I've watched all the games, "genius". And in terms of this guy being somehow comparable to Tebow (LMAO), all 32 NFL teams disagree. Tebow doesn't have an NFL gig anymore. Let me know which year Tebow was top 5 in QB halfway through the season , too. Let me save you some time, you'll find no such season. Now sit there and watch Prescott make the Pro Bowl as a rookie.

Tebow had a gig in 2011, for a good stint. He then had 3 other teams after getting dropped on his butt in Denver because Elway didn't buy into the Skip Bayless and fan logic.

This is the issue here, too many of you prefer emotion rather than actually analyzing play. You remember the final 2 minutes of the game and forget the rest. Other teams aren't just watching the final two minutes, they watch all games, they study, and they find a QBs weakness and they plan around it. This game against the Eagles showed Prescott's weaknesses more than any other game and you better damn well believe other coaches staffs took notice.

 

[mattjames2010]

So we cut him as soon as Romo's healthy right? Problem solved... we'll looked for a strong armed qb in the draft that can hit "tight windows" and represent our future. If the coaches see what you see... we simply cut Dak. Problem solved.

Or you view him as a viable backup. Backups aren't perfect, they have limitations. Nothing wrong with Dak being a career backup.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

http://nfldraftreport.sportsblog.co...escott-mississippi-state-scouting-report.html

Arm Strength…Prescott is good at moving the chains, but even when he sets his feet properly and steps into his long throws, the ball will flutter and wobble often. He needs to show better zip on his 12-to-15-yard throws also

This has been an issue for Dak since college. There are enough games on YouTube you can watch of him in college to see this has always been one of his biggest issues. You can work on footwork, you can't work on arm strength. You either have it or you don't.

"He needs some work on the deep ball with improved arm strength and better foot positioning necessary to increase his completion %."

Guess who's draft profile that is? Tony Romo.

"Has the arm strength and size of a franchise NFL quarterback but still needs to continue to develop his accuracy and decision-making consistency."

Here's Ryan Mallett's. You have fun with your NFL strongest man competition, I'll just root for the Boys to win, which we are.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

Tebow had a gig in 2011, for a good stint. He then had 3 other teams after getting dropped on his butt in Denver because Elway didn't buy into the Skip Bayless and fan logic.

This is the issue here, too many of you prefer emotion rather than actually analyzing play. You remember the final 2 minutes of the game and forget the rest. Other teams aren't just watching the final two minutes, they watch all games, they study, and they find a QBs weakness and they plan around it. This game against the Eagles showed Prescott's weaknesses more than any other game and you better damn well believe other coaches staffs took notice.

And 6 of the 7 have lost to us after doing so with Prescott at the helm while he's racking up historic rookie QB numbers, but I guess you only remember the last thing to happen. You're in the extreme minority with all the complaining about his play, not sure if you've noticed.

 

[jwitten82]

http://nfldraftreport.sportsblog.co...escott-mississippi-state-scouting-report.html

Arm Strength…Prescott is good at moving the chains, but even when he sets his feet properly and steps into his long throws, the ball will flutter and wobble often. He needs to show better zip on his 12-to-15-yard throws also

This has been an issue for Dak since college. There are enough games on YouTube you can watch of him in college to see this has always been one of his biggest issues. You can work on footwork, you can't work on arm strength. You either have it or you don't.

Dude, youre just a huge Romo fan. Going thru your post history you had no issues with Dak until people started wanting Dak to start. And the whole arm strength issues you said in this thread you made that you saw on film he had enough strength
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/dak-vs-lsu.355376/

 

[mattjames2010]

"He needs some work on the deep ball with improved arm strength and better foot positioning necessary to increase his completion %."

Guess who's draft profile that is? Tony Romo.

"Has the arm strength and size of a franchise NFL quarterback but still needs to continue to develop his accuracy and decision-making consistency."

Here's Ryan Mallett's. You have fun with your NFL strongest man competition, I'll just root for the Boys to win, which we are.

Terrible argument. The issue we are discussing here isn't down the field accuracy, it has to do with a QB going noodle arm. Also Romo, especially early on in his career, hit those tight windows with a ton of zip on the ball.

As for Ryan Mallett. Mallett has mental issues. You understand it takes both, physical and mental ability to become a great QB, right? There have been players throughout NFL history coming in with a big heart and having it mentally, but sadly, just didn't have the physical gifts.

 

[mattjames2010]

Dude, youre just a huge Romo fan. Going thru your post history you had no issues with Dak until people started wanting Dak to start. And the whole arm strength issues you said in this thread you made that you saw on film he had enough strength
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/dak-vs-lsu.355376/

I said in that very thread, I noticed in preseason the lack of zip on the balls. I then watched his film, and saw that dart he threw in the LSU game. What I didn't notice at the time is, he can't make those throws consistently.

Now that we have more film on him in the NFL, this has become even more apparent.

Also, if I had bias and was a "huge Romo fan" I would have never made that thread. Having Romo is irrelevant here. If we didn't have Romo, I'd be in the draft zone discussing what QBs we could take to replace Dak. Actually, I'm about to start doing that soon even with Romo being on the team.

I've seen what I needed to from Dak.

 

[theebs]

Absolutely. Players have bad games, especially rookies. Hell, if you'll remember, Romo's first career pass was a pick. Prescott has the physical tools and he has "IT". Not many guys on the planet do.

nope.

facts are so hard for so many

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

Terrible argument. The issue we are discussing here isn't down the field accuracy, it has to do with a QB going noodle arm. Also Romo, especially early on in his career, hit those tight windows with a ton of zip on the ball.

As for Ryan Mallett. Mallett has mental issues. You understand it takes both, physical and mental ability to become a great QB, right? There have been players throughout NFL history coming in with a big heart and having it mentally, but sadly, just didn't have the physical gifts.

No, comparing Prescott to Tebow is a terrible argument. You're just stuck on repeat with the "noddle arm" cliche based on a few passes in one game. And now you want to bring up the whole package? Nice pivot. I accept your surrender.