I don't know if Romo survives that game

Maxmadden · Oct 31, 2016

Clove said:
I actually don't remember the game but when I do, you'll be the first person I quote. While we're waiting, what agenda do I have when we have no NFC Championship games or no Super bowls games or titles in 20 years? What's my agenda?

Now you are saying you can't even remember your agenda?

Not even going to try and debate this any further, you're out of my league. You obviously, don't know, what you don't know.

THEHEREAFTER · Oct 31, 2016

mattjames2010 said:
Or you view him as a viable backup. Backups aren't perfect, they have limitations. Nothing wrong with Dak being a career backup.

Perfect!.. So problem solved. What else is there to discuss?

FuzzyLumpkins · Oct 31, 2016

CVN68_Cowboys said:
I did, you just don't know how to counter the numbers other than to say "wrong". And there's way more to it than yardage. Situations are also factored in along with who they're playing. The numbers speak for themselves, and quite loud and clear. As far as DFW radio, it's the only relevant radio regarding Dallas sports. We don't care what the outer realms of the empire think. At all.

I already addressed efficiency stats twice. You have yet to address it likely because you don't have the statistical background to do so.

FO says given a certain down, distance, and field position the average player or alternately replacement level player gets X yards. They then compare to how the player in question performs on average.

It leaves out a whole lot of context and ultimately are efficiency stats. Then you look at context like pass attempts (29th), yards (23rd), TD (19th) and it becomes readily apparent that Dak has been protected and not asked to do much compared to other QBs in the league.

Then of course your FO cherry picking didn't include this latest performance.

mattjames2010 · Oct 31, 2016

THEHEREAFTER said:
Perfect!.. So problem solved. What else is there to discuss?

I don't know, I'm sure you'll find a way to tip-toe around his blatant flaws.

CVN68_Cowboys · Oct 31, 2016

FuzzyLumpkins said:
I already addressed efficiency stats twice. You have yet to address it likely because you don't have the statistical background to do so.

FO says given a certain down, distance, and field position the average player or alternately replacement level player gets X yards. They then compare to how the player in question performs on average.

It leaves out a whole lot of context and ultimately are efficiency stats. Then you look at context like pass attempts (29th), yards (23rd), TD (19th) and it becomes readily apparent that Dak has been protected and not asked to do much compared to other QBs in the league.

Then of course your FO cherry picking didn't include this latest performance.

And your whining only includes the one bad performance. See how that works. Lmao @ "statistical background". Sounds like somebody doesn't like what the numbers say because they don't support a particular agenda. Enjoy being miserable after every win.

FuzzyLumpkins · Oct 31, 2016

CVN68_Cowboys said:
And your whining only includes the one bad performance. See how that works. Lmao @ "statistical background". Sounds like somebody doesn't like what the numbers say because they don't support a particular agenda. Enjoy being miserable after every win.

Whining? The stats I gave were aggregate and the argument I made was based off the aggregate of the entire season. My guess about your statistical aptitude was apt.

You dodged most everything I had to say frankly. If you are just going to give vapid responses like this most recent one the last word is yours.

drawandstrike · Oct 31, 2016

CVN68_Cowboys said:
You can't do any of those things when you can't be on the field because you're always hurt. Ball game.

So your dodge about Tony being a far better passer, better able to read defenses, make pre snap adjustments better is to....say he'll never be healthy again. That's what you place your faith in, so be it.

OK then.

You won't explicitly say Dak is better at those things.

I wouldn't either.

Your admitting you want to go with a QB who isn't as good at any of those things.

Thank you for that admission.

THEHEREAFTER · Oct 31, 2016

mattjames2010 said:
I don't know, I'm sure you'll find a way to tip-toe around his blatant flaws.

Nope. I agree with you. He's not perfect. So as soon as Romo is ready, send him to the bench immediately so we have a shot at the SB with Romo. Problem solved. Romo simply isn't healthy yet so Dak is doing his best to hold fort. Again, what is your issue?

LittleBoyBlue · Oct 31, 2016

THEHEREAFTER said:
Nope. I agree with you. He's not perfect. So as soon as Romo is ready, send him to the bench immediately so we have a shot at the SB with Romo. Problem solved. Romo simply isn't healthy yet so Dak is doing his best to hold fort. Again, what is your issue?

Hold the fort? Lol
At this rate Dak is trying to get Romo a BYE and home field advantage ...

....and all @mattjames2010 does is parade around his Pro Romo / Con Dak agenda.

LittleBoyBlue · Oct 31, 2016

mattjames2010 said:
Or you view him as a viable backup. Backups aren't perfect, they have limitations. Nothing wrong with Dak being a career backup.

You know that EVERYONE in this thread is laughing at you. Right? Right..... RIGHT!?!!!?

CVN68_Cowboys · Oct 31, 2016

drawandstrike said:
So your dodge about Tony being a far better passer, better able to read defenses, make pre snap adjustments better is to....say he'll never be healthy again. That's what you place your faith in, so be it.

OK then.

You won't explicitly say Dak is better at those things.

I wouldn't either.

Your admitting you want to go with a QB who isn't as good at any of those things.

Thank you for that admission.

He is better. He can stay healthy. Hilarious that it needs to be explained at all.

CVN68_Cowboys · Oct 31, 2016

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Whining? The stats I gave were aggregate and the argument I made was based off the aggregate of the entire season. My guess about your statistical aptitude was apt.

You dodged most everything I had to say frankly. If you are just going to give vapid responses like this most recent one the last word is yours.

Sorry subtracting 3 from 20 is so difficult for you. Maths be hard. Dodging? Lmao. :lmao2:

drawandstrike · Oct 31, 2016

CVN68_Cowboys said:
He is better. He can stay healthy. Hilarious that it needs to be explained at all.

Well there you have it.

So the single argument you have with sticking with a QB who isn't:

as good at passing the ball
as good at reading defenses
as good at making presnap adjustments to do things like pick up the blitz

is HEALTH.

You're STILL admitting Tony is better at all 3 of those things than a rookie QB still learning the pro game.

Once again, thank you for your honesty.

PA Cowboy Fan · Oct 31, 2016

He wouldn't. Once he plays a top defense he'll go down. I don't know why anyone thinks it will be different than the last few times he's played. 2014 was a long time ago. I'm all for bringing Romo back if the season is in jeopardy and Dak really struggles for multiple games but I don't think it would do any good because I don't think he would last.

mattjames2010 · Oct 31, 2016

THEHEREAFTER said:
Nope. I agree with you. He's not perfect. So as soon as Romo is ready, send him to the bench immediately so we have a shot at the SB with Romo. Problem solved. Romo simply isn't healthy yet so Dak is doing his best to hold fort. Again, what is your issue?

This is a vastly different stance the you had a couple days ago.

FuzzyLumpkins · Oct 31, 2016

CVN68_Cowboys said:
Sorry subtracting 3 from 20 is so difficult for you. Maths be hard. Dodging? Lmao.

Considering that Dak had a career high 39 attempts that game, it's clear you do not even understand the stats that you are crowing about. He is still bottom third in attempts after that.

And yes dodging. You won't even discuss aggregate stats and usage. You won't discuss your cherry picking stats. You won't discuss your ignorance regarding the stats you espouse. You won't discuss injuries predictive ability.

Instead you go for mindless digs in a sad bait and switch attempt.

rpntex · Oct 31, 2016

REDVOLUTION said:
Man, I want him back. Glad it wasn't last night though.

I see defenses from here in out trying to take Romo out.

It's going to take a small miracle for him to survive when he comes back.

Romo SuperBowl 51 MVP

I don't know. The thing that hurt Dak more than anything last night was his ability (or willingness) to only read half the field. He had backside reads open all night, but he didn't ever look that way. That's understandable - even excusable for a rookie. Jim Schwartz did his homework. He knew Dak almost always goes right when he throws hot, so he brought blitz after blitz off the backside.

I have a feeling Romo would see this coming and would jump over those openings nags, and get the ball off quicker. That's something Dak doesn't do yet, but he will learn with experience.

Gameover · Nov 1, 2016

They say he'll sniff out all the blitzes: He missed 1

oops, he missed another:

Tony's numbers vs the toughest opponents in 2006.

Indy:
19 23 82.61% 226 0 1 89.5(rating) win

Saints:
16 33 48.48% 249 1 2 58.8(rating) loss

Eagles-Christmas-Carrie Underwood: loss
14 29 48.28% 142 1 2 45.5(rating)

The saints scored 40+ points. They were better than the Cowboys. Not putting the loss all on Tony. Just pointing out to those who forgot. The Christmas game, Tony couldn't make a play to save his life.

Jessica Simpson game from 2007 vs Eagles:
13 36 36.11% 214 0 3 22.2(rating)

13-36, 36%, 214 yards, 0td, 3int, 22.2 qbrating We lost the game 10-6. The defense actually played better for Romo than this defense did for Dak last night.

I will not put the 2008 finale on here, because that loss was not Tony's fault. See how objectivity works? More on this board should try it!

This will be my last post on this board. It became clear to me over the weekend for me to actually enjoy this team to the fullest, I had to get away from this board.

I can't take the Dak vs Romo. Or the Dak vs Wentz anymore. we're 5-1 and I'M MISERABLE. Ya'll can hold the rookie up to this ridiculous standard I can not.

But before I go, I had to do what I always do, and that's drop some facts on some peoples heads.

The Cowboys are going to win Super Bowl 51

mattjames2010 · Nov 1, 2016

Gameover said:
They say he'll sniff out all the blitzes: He missed 1

oops, he missed another:

Tony's numbers vs the toughest opponents in 2006.

Indy:
19 23 82.61% 226 0 1 89.5(rating) win

Saints:
16 33 48.48% 249 1 2 58.8(rating) loss

Eagles-Christmas-Carrie Underwood: loss
14 29 48.28% 142 1 2 45.5(rating)

The saints scored 40+ points. They were better than the Cowboys. Not putting the loss all on Tony. Just pointing out to those who forgot. The Christmas game, Tony couldn't make a play to save his life.

Jessica Simpson game from 2007 vs Eagles:
13 36 36.11% 214 0 3 22.2(rating)

13-36, 36%, 214 yards, 0td, 3int, 22.2 qbrating We lost the game 10-6. The defense actually played better for Romo than this defense did for Dak last night.

I will not put the 2008 finale on here, because that loss was not Tony's fault. See how objectivity works? More on this board should try it!

This will be my last post on this board. It became clear to me over the weekend for me to actually enjoy this team to the fullest, I had to get away from this board.

I can't take the Dak vs Romo. Or the Dak vs Wentz anymore. we're 5-1 and I'M MISERABLE. Ya'll can hold the rookie up to this ridiculous standard I can not.

But before I go, I had to do what I always do, and that's drop some facts on some peoples heads.

The Cowboys are going to win Super Bowl 51

LOL those are your facts?

I love your "Toughest opponents" nonsense. What a cherry pick. You even admit you were putting the loss on Romo in one of your cherry picks, so why exactly are you putting it on there?

You never drop facts. You cherry pick, ramble, and then run and hide like you're claiming you'll be doing here now.

Romo's toughest games in 2007 were these games

First New York Giants game - 128.5
New England game - 91.0
First Philly game - 141.7
Second New York Giants game - 123.1
First Commanders game - 124.1
Green Bay - 123.5
Second Philly game - 22.5
Third Giants game - 64.7

Also, your blitz pickup nonsense is the worst. There is a difference when it's an all-out blitz and there aren't enough guys to block everyone or you have to rely on a RB or fullback to pick up a blitz. That happened in the Giants game, that is not on Romo, Romo gave his fullback a blocking assignment and he failed.

Gameover · Nov 1, 2016

mattjames2010 said:
There is a difference when it's an all-out blitz and there aren't enough guys to block everyone or you have to rely on a RB or fullback to pick up a blitz. That happened in the Giants game, that is not on Romo, Romo gave his fullback a blocking assignment and he failed.

The Skins sent the house on his punk ***. my last post/

mattjames2010 said:
cherry pick, ramble, and then run and hide like you're claiming you'll be doing here now.

I don't know if Romo survives that game

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