I don't think we are getting squat for Tony

[Toomany10pins]

He lasted 2 games in 2015, then got hurt
Came back in 2015 and was hurt again (not healed yet, imo..was rushed back) in less than 2 games
Came back last year and was hurt in his 2nd preseason game. New injury altogether. L1 compression

If you all would put yourselves in these other teams' shoes you'd see how huge this risk is.

Nothing to do with how good he is when he's healthy. He's outstanding.
But will he be able stay on the field? That's what they're afraid of....and understandably so.

Best chance to get anything is a 2018 conditional pick based on how much he plays in 2017.

Otherwise, we release him and move forward. Maybe use the cap for some extra help on D.

BINGO!

 

[Trouty]

BINGO!

Was his name-o?

As an aside, what is "squat"? I've always wondered. Is it poop?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Who is this Squat guy?

Blimey!
When I read this, I spat out me gruel on me mum's bowling shoes. She slapped the side of me face, chaps, and now I learned to be more introspect. Not like Don Meredith in Santa Fe but like Troy Aikman in speech rehab.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Was his name-o?

As an aside, what is "squat"? I've always wondered. Is it poop?

Blimey!

Pls. Step Side you workaday louts. I will answer Trouty's provincial impertinence ..
Now ...
Squat means " nothing." Let us not go into the bowels of cheap metaphors.

We are not getting SQUAT for a walk-on from Eastern Illinois who won TWO playoff games for us in 10 years!!!!
Yes, blokes, grandma, who sent me 10 pounds 2 shillings each birthday, was slow, Tony ... but she was passive aggressive!!!!!!!!
Go to Houston! They don't mind waiting another 60 years for a championship!!!!

 

[Trouty]

Blimey!

Pls. Step Side you workaday louts. I will answer Trouty's provincial impertinence ..
Now ...
Squat means " nothing." Let us not go into the bowels of cheap metaphors.

We are not getting SQUAT for a walk-on from Eastern Illinois who won TWO playoff games for us in 10 years!!!!
Yes, blokes, grandma, who sent me 10 pounds 2 shillings each birthday, was slow, Tony ... but she was passive aggressive!!!!!!!!
Go to Houston! They don't mind waiting another 60 years for a championship!!!!

The derivative (or origination) of "squat" is what I meant, you heathen. I want the bowels (bowels; squat -- pun? Origin!?) of such an American proverb! But that's what separates us, I guess, my dear colleague.

Pit of moccasins, I say!

 

[Tabascocat]

The derivative (or origination) of "squat" is what I meant, you heathen. I want the bowels (bowels; squat -- pun? Origin?) of such an American proverb! But that's what separates us, I guess, my dear colleague.

Pit of moccasins, I say!

It is what dames do in public bathrooms.......

 

[Trouty]

It is what dames do in public bathrooms.......

Romo has to be worth more than that?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The derivative (or origination) of "squat" is what I meant, you heathen. I want the bowels (bowels; squat -- pun? Origin!?) of such an American proverb! But that's what separates us, I guess, my dear colleague.

Pit of moccasins, I say!

Ohhhh!
You always hurt the one you love ...

 

[Idgit]

He lasted 2 games in 2015, then got hurt
Came back in 2015 and was hurt again (not healed yet, imo..was rushed back) in less than 2 games
Came back last year and was hurt in his 2nd preseason game. New injury altogether. L1 compression

If you all would put yourselves in these other teams' shoes you'd see how huge this risk is.

Nothing to do with how good he is when he's healthy. He's outstanding.
But will he be able stay on the field? That's what they're afraid of....and understandably so.

Best chance to get anything is a 2018 conditional pick based on how much he plays in 2017.

Otherwise, we release him and move forward. Maybe use the cap for some extra help on D.

I don't buy the injury risk angle. For one, the 2015 injury was a collarbone. 7 pounds of pressure on any collarbone in the league-of any age-and the QB misses the same amount of time.

The transverse and compression fractures go in the same boat, unless there's reason to believe his skeleton is more fragile than it used to be. That's possible with certain medications, so I guess it's possible that that risk exists and is not being reported, but that's also something any NFL team would know in advance of offering a trade for him and a contract.

The chronic back condition he's had operations to address is an issue, and would be a factor in any consideration for him.

That said, they could easily structure a conditional trade for Tony if they wanted to. A conditional 4th next year, that escalates to a 1st or a 2nd if he either makes all-pro or the team wins a Superbowl, and de-escalates to a 6th or a 7th if he doesn't start at least 8 games. Something like that. It doesn't matter what the terms or the triggers of the trade are, you get the picture re: the structure.

If they're not moving him, it's because there aren't two teams that want him enough for one of them to lock it down. If that's the case, all you can do is hold on to him long enough that it's inconvenient for HOU, and then cut him loose in time for him to legitimately prepare for the season. Maybe you wait until the actual start of camp to make a point, but no longer than that. If that's how it goes down, the market was the market and you can't really blame anybody. The Texans were comfortable running the risk, and the payoff is it saved them a pick. Or Tony tires of not feeling the love and realizes it's not necessary for him to play this season, and he retires a Cowboy and the Texans are left trotting out Savage and everybody wins.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I don't buy the injury risk angle. For one, the 2015 injury was a collarbone. 7 pounds of pressure on any collarbone in the league-of any age-and the QB misses the same amount of time.

The transverse and compression fractures go in the same boat, unless there's reason to believe his skeleton is more fragile than it used to be. That's possible with certain medications, so I guess it's possible that that risk exists and is not being reported, but that's also something any NFL team would know in advance of offering a trade for him and a contract.

The chronic back condition he's had operations to address is an issue, and would be a factor in any consideration for him.

That said, they could easily structure a conditional trade for Tony if they wanted to. A conditional 4th next year, that escalates to a 1st or a 2nd if he either makes all-pro or the team wins a Superbowl, and de-escalates to a 6th or a 7th if he doesn't start at least 8 games. Something like that. It doesn't matter what the terms or the triggers of the trade are, you get the picture re: the structure.

If they're not moving him, it's because there aren't two teams that want him enough for one of them to lock it down. If that's the case, all you can do is hold on to him long enough that it's inconvenient for HOU, and then cut him loose in time for him to legitimately prepare for the season. Maybe you wait until the actual start of camp to make a point, but no longer than that. If that's how it goes down, the market was the market and you can't really blame anybody. The Texans were comfortable running the risk, and the payoff is it saved them a pick. Or Tony tires of not feeling the love and realizes it's not necessary for him to play this season, and he retires a Cowboy and the Texans are left trotting out Savage and everybody wins.

The Cowboys aren't the biggest loser if Tony retires but we're not winners either. We lose a pro bowl qb who to this man can still sling it with the best of them for no compensation. And as a fan I'd like to see Tony play more.

This all stinks.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't buy the injury risk angle. For one, the 2015 injury was a collarbone. 7 pounds of pressure on any collarbone in the league-of any age-and the QB misses the same amount of time.

The transverse and compression fractures go in the same boat, unless there's reason to believe his skeleton is more fragile than it used to be. That's possible with certain medications, so I guess it's possible that that risk exists and is not being reported, but that's also something any NFL team would know in advance of offering a trade for him and a contract.

The chronic back condition he's had operations to address is an issue, and would be a factor in any consideration for him.

That said, they could easily structure a conditional trade for Tony if they wanted to. A conditional 4th next year, that escalates to a 1st or a 2nd if he either makes all-pro or the team wins a Superbowl, and de-escalates to a 6th or a 7th if he doesn't start at least 8 games. Something like that. It doesn't matter what the terms or the triggers of the trade are, you get the picture re: the structure.

If they're not moving him, it's because there aren't two teams that want him enough for one of them to lock it down. If that's the case, all you can do is hold on to him long enough that it's inconvenient for HOU, and then cut him loose in time for him to legitimately prepare for the season. Maybe you wait until the actual start of camp to make a point, but no longer than that. If that's how it goes down, the market was the market and you can't really blame anybody. The Texans were comfortable running the risk, and the payoff is it saved them a pick. Or Tony tires of not feeling the love and realizes it's not necessary for him to play this season, and he retires a Cowboy and the Texans are left trotting out Savage and everybody wins.

Just describing why other team's would have a concern.

I personally think he is in better shape now than he been in 4-5 years.

But I don't at all blame any team for not being VERY hesitant about his health.

 

[Idgit]

The Cowboys aren't the biggest loser if Tony retires but we're not winners either. We lose a pro bowl qb who to this man can still sling it with the best of them for no compensation. And as a fan I'd like to see Tony play more.

This all stinks.

Going in, I wanted to see Tony get another shot at a championship, because I really do believe he deserves one. The longer it goes on, though, as it's become a standoff between us and the Texans, and after listening to Texans fans' takes on the topic, I can't help it but I really don't want them to end up getting something for nothing.

We're going to lose Tony, either way. And I don't believe we'll get appropriate compensation for him. Yeah, I guess foregoing a 4th or 5th round pick isn't technically a 'win' for Dallas, but at some point the idea of having long time Cowboy greats retire as Cowboys and not going through a messy, disappointing final season or two elsewhere has value. I keep thinking of Emmitt, trotting out in that Cardinals uniform and how disappointing that was to watch. I don't really want to see that same thing for Tony. If the Broncos or the Texans had wanted him and stepped up to the plate for him I'd have felt one way about it. If they're picking him up in the bargain bin after the draft, it's another story for me. All this is making it difficult for me to even root secondarily for his team next season they way it's playing out.

 

[Idgit]

Just describing why other team's would have a concern.

I personally think he is in better shape now than he been in 4-5 years.

But I don't at all blame any team for not being VERY hesitant about his health.

I get that. The thing is, you can structure a trade to account for the hesitance. The real question is, do you want to give Tony a shot leading your team or not?

I'm still hoping some last-minute team comes in with an interesting offer. Somebody you might not expect but who, when you look at them on paper, they really are a QB away from being able to do some damage. Maybe someone like JAX, that everybody thinks is crazy but it turns out they're able to get it together and become a dark horse with the right QB.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Why are we just delaying the inevitable? Why wait until June 1 when the entire league knows we are just going to end up releasing?

Every day we hold onto Romo, his value goes up. Teams need to get past the draft and into TC when staring QB's start dropping like flies. When the season is at hand and next years draft is a looooong way away. And we need to wait past the June 1 cut for just the reason you mentioned.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Every day we hold onto Romo, his value goes up.

I agree with that big time.

 

[DFWJC]

Every day we hold onto Romo, his value goes up. Teams need to get past the draft and into TC when staring QB's start dropping like flies. When the season is at hand and next years draft is a looooong way away. And we need to wait past the June 1 cut for just the reason you mentioned.

I hear ya Roy, but when did starting QBs ever drop like flies in in TC?
One may go down on rare occasion--like Bridgewater--but even just one going down during TC (let a la bunch) is pretty rare.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I hear ya Roy, but when did starting QBs ever drop like flies in in TC?
One may go down on rare occasion--like Bridgewater--but even just one going down during TC (let a la bunch) is pretty rare.

Our first two QB's dropped like flies last year. Every year there are QB starved teams. There are a bunch right now. Then you have QB's that get hurt during the season. I would hold onto him till someone gives value. What is the point of cutting Romo? So we can save 5 million this year? According to our resident cap experts on here the cap is a joke and really the Cowboys have tons of money on the cap we dont know about. So what is another 5 million to get a great backup in case Dak gets hurt?

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

The Cowboys aren't the biggest loser if Tony retires but we're not winners either. We lose a pro bowl qb who to this man can still sling it with the best of them for no compensation. And as a fan I'd like to see Tony play more.

This all stinks.

We do win. We get all our cap space back for the 2018 season.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We do win. We get all our cap space back for the 2018 season.

We're getting that regardless.

 

[fredp22]

Houston has said they would trade for Romo if he reworks contract? First time I've seen it in writing. Heres the outtake-

Houston is Romo’s preferred landing spot, and a league source said earlier this month that Houston owner Bob McNair is high on bringing Romo to the Texans, and the team would be willing to trade a mid-round pick to Dallas – provided Romo would agree to a new contract.

the story is makes it look like Romo is the holdup not the fact that Houston wont trade. Has anyone else heard this?

link- http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report...s-texans-or-retirement-in-2017-222253573.html