I don't understand how anyone could scam people

[InTheZone]

Evil/broken people have no problem with this. It's a cultural problem in many regions, just like many other terrible acts of violence that aren't really talked about in the media.

 

[InTheZone]

I think anyone that would treat someone like that should be executed by being thrown into a spike-lined pit. And if their scam victim was an elderly person, the scammer ought to be smeared with hamburger meat and then thrown into a pit full of hungry crocodiles. I don't understand how someone could behave that rotten and have no conscious. They're human trash.

I've always felt violent and life affecting criminals should be publicly executed, mandated for all media to cover it. That way the media that likes to be selective can't and society will get a better perspective on how much of these crimes actually happen rather than just being spoon-fed some sick narrative of the week.

But these convictions must absolutely be, without a doubt, 100% verifiable.

 

[Sarek]

I've always felt violent and life affecting criminals should be publicly executed, mandated for all media to cover it. That way the media that likes to be selective can't and society will get a better perspective on how much of these crimes actually happen rather than just being spoon-fed some sick narrative of the week.

But these convictions must absolutely be, without a doubt, 100% verifiable.

So the next question becomes if everyone had what they needed plus more would these crimes still happen? If the answer to that question is yes, then the next question is why are they doing it if they don't need it? If they are angry or vengeful for something real or unreal well whats the best way to deal with that? I would save execution for a last resort which i think is somewhere way down the line. Execution is like declaring war and not something to start without massive amounts of thought happening first. If we killed every person for something we all thought was improper there would be no one left alive.

 

[InTheZone]

There are some sickos whose only "job" it is to dream up scams the trick people out of money. The elderly are usually the easiest target. These goons will call up an old person or email them and tell some bogus story like they're from the IRS and they owe taxes or they'll say they've won or inherited some money. Or some really rotten people pretend to be a prospective romantic partner, preying on someone's loneliness. If you duckduckgo "online scams" or "phone scams," you'll find a huge list of the various ripoffs that have worked.

I cannot imagine doing this to anyone, especially to an elderly person. Sometimes an elderly person has their life savings, something like 500K or whatever, all the money they've ever managed to save in their whole life, and that they are going to depend on to be able to live, and they have the whole thing ripped off.

I think I could probably dream up some bogus scam that might work, but I CANNOT EVEN FATHOM doing that to someone. If somehow I had had a moral failing to do such a thing, my conscious would murder me day after day. That's why I don't get how anyone could actually do that crap. Don't they have a kind of Christmas Carol moment where their ghosts come back to haunt them and make their conscious miserable for doing something like that? I mean what the [bleep]?

apples and oranges, but I'm sure there's some truth to it. I heard on the radio (typically a mix of modern rock, alternative, and stuff from the late 90s/early 00s) where someone brought up a persons character and morals in relation to how they handle shopping carts when they're done unloading them at their car. There's nothing keeping a person from returning a cart, but I believe it tells a lot about them. There was a bunch more they said, but this is what I caught. Sure there can be some exceptions, like being alone at night in an empty parking lot with no lights around in a crime infested area, but again those are extreme scenarios. After I heard this I couldn't think of the last time I didn't return a cart. I'm no saint, but I always try to be the better person in most situations, even if there's doubts about who it is I'm dealing with.

And more off topic: I also feel like drivers and their behaviors say a lot about someones ability to simply function in life. Certain behaviors of that can definitely be tied to those that wouldn't think twice about scamming someone if they were presented an opportunity to.

 

[InTheZone]

So the next question becomes if everyone had what they needed plus more would these crimes still happen? If the answer to that question is yes, then the next question is why are they doing it if they don't need it? If they are angry or vengeful for something real or unreal well whats the best way to deal with that? I would save execution for a last resort which i think is somewhere way down the line. Execution is like declaring war and not something to start without massive amounts of thought happening first. If we killed every person for something we all thought was improper there would be no one left alive.

you make valid points, but my examples were more along the lines of daily lifelong criminals whose recent altercation led to the death of someone (I also blame the judges for letting this person free several times over or not giving them a longer punishment to begin with) or those scammers who'll take every bit of money you have saved while they use your money to buy their house, cars, vacations and you're stuck in debt for the rest of your life.

 

[Sarek]

you make valid points, but my examples were more along the lines of daily lifelong criminals whose recent altercation led to the death of someone (I also blame the judges for letting this person free several times over or not giving them a longer punishment to begin with) or those scammers who'll take every bit of money you have saved while they use your money to buy their house, cars, vacations and you're stuck in debt for the rest of your life.

Civilization still needs to answer the first question which is why are they daily life long criminals. Once that is answered you go forward from there. Think of the movie Independence Day with the alien behind the glass, the alien is asked what do you want, if the answer is "die" then you go ahead and execute, otherwise you look for more answers/solutions.

 

[Rockport]

There are people that murder, rape, burn people's business because they feel like it, etc.
People are efffed up.

There's people that don't treat everyone fairly. You're right, people are efffed up.

 

[kskboys]

So.

A human vice that leaves its victims penniless but alive should be met with a judgment of torturous death.

That is not an 'eye for an eye'. It is more akin to an eye for both an entire person's body and their cousin Rick's too.

What really is needed is punishment harsh enough to dissuade others from doing it. Throughout history, that's the only thing that's worked.

 

[kskboys]

Understood. Also understand you will likely be vetted from most jury selections. Either that or some poor defense attorney will regret not getting your name removed from consideration until his or her dying day.

Jury selection is generally about fairness in hearing the case, not the punishment phase.

 

[DallasEast]

Jury selection is generally about fairness in hearing the case, not the punishment phase.

I have served as a juror. I know one of the questions they typically ask is how the juror views right and wrong. Do you think admitting a guilty individual deserves tortuous death during jury selection would get that person picked without the defense objecting?

 

[DallasEast]

What really is needed is punishment harsh enough to dissuade others from doing it. Throughout history, that's the only thing that's worked.

Some of the harshest penalties on the planet are executed by certain countries. It has not been a complete deterrent for criminal activity. Perhaps it has reduced brazen activity but to only a certain overall degree.

 

[kskboys]

I have served as a juror. I know one of the questions they typically ask is how the juror views right and wrong. Do you think admitting a guilty individual deserves tortuous death during jury selection would get that person picked without the defense objecting?

So have I. I've never heard a question asked that would lead to such an answer. It would have to be offered w/o prodding.

 

[kskboys]

Some of the harshest penalties on the planet are executed by certain countries. It has not been a complete deterrent for criminal activity. Perhaps it has reduced brazen activity but to only a certain overall degree.

There is no complete deterrent. However, harsh punishment severely curtails criminal activity. I know people in this country like to argue against that, but history says otherwise. An example would be the Saudi Arabia, where they take hands for stealing. You can leave stuff laying out in the open and no one will touch it.

 

[Sarek]

There is no complete deterrent. However, harsh punishment severely curtails criminal activity. I know people in this country like to argue against that, but history says otherwise. An example would be the Saudi Arabia, where they take hands for stealing. You can leave stuff laying out in the open and no one will touch it.

You agree with cutting the hands off of people who get caught stealing something?

 

[CouchCoach]

There are several differences in the animal kingdom than the real jungle like killing for food instead of pleasure but the major difference is the animal kingdom doesn't have TV preachers.

The increase of psychopaths and sociopaths is either an environmental alarm or a sign of the weakening of the moral code of the species. Just the views on cheating have changed in my lifetime. In just three generations, I am seeing the moral weakening of this country.

It is both disheartening and surprising when a scam is being run in an area that they have to repeatedly tell the elderly not to give out sensitive information. In my radio life, I cannot tell you the times the authorities contacted me to do a PSA for the targets of these scams, almost every time it was the elderly. They need better protection and the criminal justice system is too kind to these lowlife perps, they should receive sentencing for every act and rot in prison. The stories of their damage will break your heart. It would be kinder to just murder some of these victims than to wreck their lives and leave them in shambles.

There are a lot of people, and I use that term loosely, in this country that should be thankful I am not King. I have a very simple and permanent solution for weeding out the poison ivy in this garden.

 

[InTheZone]

You agree with cutting the hands off of people who get caught stealing something?

I'll speak for myself. Punishment in general may not always need to be physical, but systems need to be put in place to deter or minimize crime, more than what they are now. I get crazy people will never abide by the law, but you act accordingly.

I feel as if the media made a habit of objectively reporting criminal activity and statistics, that alone would be a deterrent to those who consume biased media 12+ hours a day. Instead of spoon feeding them lies with the narrative, you report facts eventually a large segment of the population may start opening their eyes to what's actually happening.

And if the media reports on positive actions and stats for overall groups instead of 1 bad incident from a group of lets say 300,000 people that paints a picture we might start getting better behavior AND counter responses from society to those that still act a fool.

 

[Sarek]

I'll speak for myself. Punishment in general may not always need to be physical, but systems need to be put in place to deter or minimize crime, more than what they are now. I get crazy people will never abide by the law, but you act accordingly.

I feel as if the media made a habit of objectively reporting criminal activity and statistics, that alone would be a deterrent to those who consume biased media 12+ hours a day. Instead of spoon feeding them lies with the narrative, you report facts eventually a large segment of the population may start opening their eyes to what's actually happening.

And if the media reports on positive actions and stats for overall groups instead of 1 bad incident from a group of lets say 300,000 people that paints a picture we might start getting better behavior AND counter responses from society to those that still act a fool.

There was crime long before there was media. These problems started because of something other than lack of control or law.

 

[InTheZone]

There was crime long before there was media. These problems started because of something other than lack of control or law.

Started with individual morals, self accountability and parental guidance, but we're in a day an age now where media/social media influence plays a very large role in all of this. Those initial three are more important, but for those that are lost and broken a correction to the networked side may veer it back on track.

 

[Sarek]

Started with individual morals, self accountability and parental guidance, but we're in a day an age now where media/social media influence plays a very large role in all of this. Those initial three are more important, but for those that are lost and broken a correction to the networked side may veer it back on track.

There are two kinds of theft, that of need and that of want. If i was starving i would steal to stay alive regardless of what the current society considered me, and i would do that because of need, not want. Now to people stealing because of want. Well i must ask why do they want that? Where and how did they learn to want that?

 

[Runwildboys]

BTW, I got another "PayPal" email this morning. I went to PayPal's website and forwarded the email to them. I don't know what good it'll do, but maybe it will prompt them to issue a warning to their customers.