I don't understand this logic regarding the Jaylon Smith pick

[Risen Star]

Broaddus has a counterpoint argument written against this pick. Saying the Cowboys need defensive help now not in 2017.

Kindly remind him next year when he's talking about defensive upgrades that we don't need any. We only needed it in 2016. I'm guessing his stance will change but we don't need any upgrades in 2018.

People that think this way don't understand team building or the NFL Draft.

Pfffffffft to the defense anyway. Zeke and Dez are going to be having their own Tic-Tac-Toe contests weekly with Zeke's O and Dez' X. We don't need no stinkin defense.

 

[Knotamus]

So the Cowboys got a lot of heat for taking Jaylon Smith, a guy who likely won't be able to contribute this coming season, in the second round. They also got heat for the Zeke pick but let's not get into that. The biggest argument about taking Jaylon Smith is that he won't be able to contribute this coming season, and that we need defensive help now. So am I supposed to believe that a guy like Kevin Dodd for example was gonna be the difference between us winning the Super Bowl, or hell even just the division next season? I don't buy that for a second. He'd probably get like 2-3 sacks and play half the snaps. But I tell you what... a healthy Jaylon Smith very well could make that difference the following season. The guy is essentially a 2017 top 5 pick for us. I personally love the pick and just don't understand the folks complaining about not getting immediate help. The draft is for the FUTURE. And Jaylon could and should be a huge part of our defense moving forward once he gets healthy.

The reason I mention this is because I was listening to 105.3 The Fan in the car and on The Ben & Skin show they were trying to make this argument... saying we should've got the immediate help. Anyone agree with them and if so, why? Just curious

I've disagreed with you on several points in the past, but I 100% agree with your sentiments. I'll be honest, I was taking back a lil with the pick.. And thought if Dallas was going to make a move like this it would be Myles Jack. Jaylon Smith was total left field tho. Maybe Broaddus brainwashed me into thinking Jack would be the better of the two injured guys, but after reading everything I can get my hands on..and the added confidence of Smith's Doc, I think Jaylon will make a full recovery and be considered a steal by next year.

 

[DTown214]

With the 34th pick we should've got immediate help or traded down and selected him.

Yes but why? A defensive player we could've taken at 34 instead of J-Smith likely isn't gonna come in and set the league on fire. Wouldn't you rather have the much better player even if he has to sit out his first season?

 

[The Quest for Six]

So the Cowboys got a lot of heat for taking Jaylon Smith, a guy who likely won't be able to contribute this coming season, in the second round. They also got heat for the Zeke pick but let's not get into that. The biggest argument about taking Jaylon Smith is that he won't be able to contribute this coming season, and that we need defensive help now. So am I supposed to believe that a guy like Kevin Dodd for example was gonna be the difference between us winning the Super Bowl, or hell even just the division next season? I don't buy that for a second. He'd probably get like 2-3 sacks and play half the snaps. But I tell you what... a healthy Jaylon Smith very well could make that difference the following season. The guy is essentially a 2017 top 5 pick for us. I personally love the pick and just don't understand the folks complaining about not getting immediate help. The draft is for the FUTURE. And Jaylon could and should be a huge part of our defense moving forward once he gets healthy.

The reason I mention this is because I was listening to 105.3 The Fan in the car and on The Ben & Skin show they were trying to make this argument... saying we should've got the immediate help. Anyone agree with them and if so, why? Just curious

Well first off, listening to 105.3 The Fan is your biggest mistake and second, if Dodd had three sacks this year, that is three more than Smith was going to contribute this year and remember the window for Romo is now, not two years from now, this team needs players on defense to help NOW!!

 

[Doomsay]

When a franchise's success is entirely based on the performance and limited survivalbility of one player, in the dwindling twilight of his career, I think that you need to discard normal notions of team building and play for the short term. Zeke seems consistent with that, Smith, not.

I don't think that there is much future in a Romo-less Garrett-lead team.

 

[visionary]

I give it 50-50 that he plays at some point this year given what we know about the state of his nerve regeneration.

 

[visionary]

When a franchise's success is entirely based on the performance and limited survivalbility of one player, in the dwindling twilight of his career, I think that you need to discard normal notions of team building and play for the short term. Zeke seems consistent with that, Smith, not.

I don't think that there is much future in a Romo-less Garrett-lead team.

The grand poobah tells us that he will dwindle for 4-5 years

 

[Jake0]

The logic of this pick is a bit counter-intuitive to the Zeke pick to me. Zeke is the "win-now" and the "help Romo at the end of his career" pick. Jaylon is the complete opposite. Sucks for Romo but we'll see what happens I suppose.

 

[percyhoward]

I don't think that there is much future in a Romo-less Garrett-lead team.

With the Zeke pick, such a team just became somewhat marketable.

 

[Knotamus]

We fans tend to think "win-now", as we prob should. But the FO has to think that way AND towards the future, likewise, as they should. With the Jaylon pick, Dallas is already set to pick BPA with next year's pick.. And it's prob be a premium position.
Follow me here.. Offense: we won't need OL, RB, and prob won't pick TE in the first. That leaves QB or WR. Defense: we won't need DT, LB, and prob won't pick S in the first. That leaves CB or DE. So picking Jaylon shores up the LB'ers next year once Rolando's gone.. And as much as I like Dak, that won't stop Dallas pulling a Denver and grabbing a late round future QB. (Notice what I did thier..assuming we'll have a late pick and/or a first round DE, CB, WR next year will be fine with me.

 

[Nightman]

So the Cowboys got a lot of heat for taking Jaylon Smith, a guy who likely won't be able to contribute this coming season, in the second round. They also got heat for the Zeke pick but let's not get into that. The biggest argument about taking Jaylon Smith is that he won't be able to contribute this coming season, and that we need defensive help now. So am I supposed to believe that a guy like Kevin Dodd for example was gonna be the difference between us winning the Super Bowl, or hell even just the division next season? I don't buy that for a second. He'd probably get like 2-3 sacks and play half the snaps. But I tell you what... a healthy Jaylon Smith very well could make that difference the following season. The guy is essentially a 2017 top 5 pick for us. I personally love the pick and just don't understand the folks complaining about not getting immediate help. The draft is for the FUTURE. And Jaylon could and should be a huge part of our defense moving forward once he gets healthy.

The reason I mention this is because I was listening to 105.3 The Fan in the car and on The Ben & Skin show they were trying to make this argument... saying we should've got the immediate help. Anyone agree with them and if so, why? Just curious

Best case DAL gets Dodd or Ogbah

I don't think the drop from them to Tapper is that big. Tapper has a chance to be as good or better. Same with Collns vs JReed.

Getting JSmith will look like a diamond heist in 2 years

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fact: He is past the 16 week of his knee rehab and was cleared to return to athletic activity.
Fact: His nerve casing was left intact meaning that at worst he has a type 3 nerve injury.
Fact: The interior of the nerve regens to the distal region at a rate of 1 inch per month.
Fact: The length of the peroneal nerve in question is 6 inches.
Fact: His surgery took place in early January. Meaning 6 months postop is early July.
Fact: He started having sensation in the leg in February and new sensations are coming in daily.
Fact: Training camp starts July 30.

Now please explain what about my take is comical. If the nerve starts firing in early July, he could in theory be ready for TC. That is absolute best case scenario but I put the 50-50 take for during the season not the entire thing.

 

[mattjames2010]

[quote="ActualCowboysFan, post: 6683177, member: 38183"]Rookies never contribute their first year. We need to draft for need at this specific position. And all of our rookies from last year are already busts.


Logical consistency isn't a strong suit around here.

Usually, they don't. Which is what sucks about this pick. Because he will most likely miss this season, so 2017 will be his rookie year. Let's all hope he learns as fast as Sean Lee.

 

[CATCH17]

Yes but why? A defensive player we could've taken at 34 instead of J-Smith likely isn't gonna come in and set the league on fire. Wouldn't you rather have the much better player even if he has to sit out his first season?

I'm fine with Jaylon Smith.. Just not at 34..

I believe he would've been available later on and taking the risk at 34 was just us getting cute.


Also, I don't get the excuse that no 2nd rounder is going to be great in year 1. That doesn't make reaching for Jaylon Smith at 34 ok.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

So the Cowboys got a lot of heat for taking Jaylon Smith, a guy who likely won't be able to contribute this coming season, in the second round. They also got heat for the Zeke pick but let's not get into that. The biggest argument about taking Jaylon Smith is that he won't be able to contribute this coming season, and that we need defensive help now. So am I supposed to believe that a guy like Kevin Dodd for example was gonna be the difference between us winning the Super Bowl, or hell even just the division next season? I don't buy that for a second. He'd probably get like 2-3 sacks and play half the snaps. But I tell you what... a healthy Jaylon Smith very well could make that difference the following season. The guy is essentially a 2017 top 5 pick for us. I personally love the pick and just don't understand the folks complaining about not getting immediate help. The draft is for the FUTURE. And Jaylon could and should be a huge part of our defense moving forward once he gets healthy.

The reason I mention this is because I was listening to 105.3 The Fan in the car and on The Ben & Skin show they were trying to make this argument... saying we should've got the immediate help. Anyone agree with them and if so, why? Just curious

On one hand, bloke, the Cowboys needed immediate help. On the other, this rehabbing wonder would not have made a dent in the wall we are up against as far as defense.
Nothing wrong with rehab except you are wounded, rehabbing, not playing and getting rusty. Good lord, Sir Jerry you pick talent not potential.
Asinine, mates. Madness. Yes, next year rusty and 2 years out of college and boom! Going against the best in the NFL. What could possibly go wrong, blokes?

Are there any adults in the Dallas Cowboys franchise?

 

[tyke1doe]

So the Cowboys got a lot of heat for taking Jaylon Smith, a guy who likely won't be able to contribute this coming season, in the second round. They also got heat for the Zeke pick but let's not get into that. The biggest argument about taking Jaylon Smith is that he won't be able to contribute this coming season, and that we need defensive help now. So am I supposed to believe that a guy like Kevin Dodd for example was gonna be the difference between us winning the Super Bowl, or hell even just the division next season? I don't buy that for a second. He'd probably get like 2-3 sacks and play half the snaps. But I tell you what... a healthy Jaylon Smith very well could make that difference the following season. The guy is essentially a 2017 top 5 pick for us. I personally love the pick and just don't understand the folks complaining about not getting immediate help. The draft is for the FUTURE. And Jaylon could and should be a huge part of our defense moving forward once he gets healthy.

The reason I mention this is because I was listening to 105.3 The Fan in the car and on The Ben & Skin show they were trying to make this argument... saying we should've got the immediate help. Anyone agree with them and if so, why? Just curious

You have to understand the pick within context. The context that Jerry Jones and the Cowboys have given for almost everything we've done over the past few years is Romo, i.e., we want to be a Romo-friendly team. That's why we didn't go up to get a franchise quarterback such as Wentz or Goff. That's why we picked Ezekiel Elliott, etc.

So we get a running back for Romo even though we know we need help on defense. So our second pick is an injured albeit talented player who may not even see the field if his nerve doesn't regenerate?

As for Kevin Dodd, we know one thing about him, i.e., he will be playing this year and Dodd won't.

Moreover, you seem to be viewing Jaylon's injury as if he suffered a broken leg. He suffered one of the worst injuries a player can have, which has caused him to have drop foot.

So the idea of win now and win for Romo (which Jerry Jones has CLEARLY articulated) makes the selection of Smith an enigma and a .

 

[LocimusPrime]

Vegas has the over and under for zeke set at 900 yds. What do you think? Take the over?

 

[Kaiser]

I'm fine with Jaylon Smith.. Just not at 34..

I believe he would've been available later on and taking the risk at 34 was just us getting cute.

That was my immediate reaction, but Reality and others posted that the plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd with the 3rd pick of the second round and then trade back up for Jaylon Smith in the late 2nd.

But the unexpected happened - Ogbah and Dodd went in the first two picks. With only five minutes on the clock, Dallas didn't have much time to trade down ten picks so they just selected Jaylon Smith at 34. Not optimal, but its understandable.

And like others have said, Ogbah or Dodd would be unlikely to take more reps in the rotation than Tapper would anyway.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Put Zeke & Jaylon on the Eagle and/or Giants...wait, HELLZ NO!

These two are scary picks Brotato chips...if they pan out very scaaaaa-rry for the rest of the East. Ceilings are extremely high with these two young Studs. Possibly the best players in the entire 2016 Draft Offensively and Defensively.

 

[Maxmadden]

On one hand, bloke, the Cowboys needed immediate help. On the other, this rehabbing wonder would not have made a dent in the wall we are up against as far as defense.
Nothing wrong with rehab except you are wounded, rehabbing, not playing and getting rusty. Good lord, Sir Jerry you pick talent not potential.
Asinine, mates. Madness. Yes, next year rusty and 2 years out of college and boom! Going against the best in the NFL. What could possibly go wrong, blokes?

Are there any adults in the Dallas Cowboys franchise?

At first, I didn't like your Farmers Branch routine but at least you stuck with it and I respected your views on football and found it, at least somewhat entertaining.. But this Australian crap has me baffled, thinking maybe you really are suffering a true identity crisis.

I just can't imagine the reality of the world you live in.