I guess Jerry will hire Stoops now

[kingwhicker]

It's not even funny how badly outcoached Stoops was in the final minutes and OT of that game. Chris Petersen made him look like a foolish Bobby Bowden clone.

 

[Aikbach]

This is funny. He was hired in 1999. Since then he was won a National Championship, been to 2 National Championship games, a Rose Bowl and a Fiesta Bowl......and it's not like he took over Miami or Florida. OU was in the dumps and had lost to Baylor once under John Blake.

I don't mind someone saying we shouldn't hire him because the NFL is a different game as college success doesn't necessarily translate to success in the NFL. But for someone to say that he has not performed to the enormous expectations required of him is ridiculous.

I disagree, he is a good coach but I don't forsee him making the transition to the NFL with the results that would be expected from him.

If expectations are as low of him as you claim, which they are not since it is OU for heaven's sake, the fall off was an exception to the rule of their tradition. Losing to Baylor at that time was not dishonorable 1996 was when the Baylor program hit a funk it has yet to climb out of, it had been a contender throughout the South West Conference days but floundered out of bowl contention some ten years ago.

 

[Natedawg44]

I disagree, he is a good coach but I don't forsee him making the transition to the NFL with the results that would be expected from him.

If expectations are as low of him as you claim, which they are not since it is OU for heaven's sake, the fall off was an exception to the rule of their tradition. Losing to Baylor at that time was not dishonorable 1996 was when the Baylor program hit a funk it has yet to climb out of, it had been a contender throughout the South West Conference days but floundered out of bowl contention some ten years ago.

People forget how bad John Blake was. In that Baylor game they were driving for a field goal near the end of the 1st half. Their 3rd down pass was short. They had 30 seconds left. Plenty of time to bring on the field goal unit. Blake had them spike the ball to stop the clock. IT WAS 4th FRICKING DOWN. Ball over on downs. That was the Blake tenure in a nutshell.

 

[Aikbach]

People forget how bad John Blake was. In that Baylor game they were driving for a field goal near the end of the 1st half. Their 3rd down pass was short. They had 30 seconds left. Plenty of time to bring on the field goal unit. Blake had them spike the ball to stop the clock. IT WAS 4th FRICKING DOWN. Ball over on downs. That was the Blake tenure in a nutshell.

Blake didn't cut it but people forget that Baylor was not the Vanderbilt of the Big 12 it is now at that time, it was more like Texas Tech.

 

[Natedawg44]

I don't want a puppet like Dave Campo but I wouldn't mind if Dallas was off the radar by hiring a humble and "under-the-radar" assistant NFL coach like the Eagles did with Andy Reid. We need to go back to basics. We need a coach who can draft and coach offensive lineman. I think we are too defensive minded. We really need some coaches who can coach fundamental offense not gimmicky or tricky offenses. Guys who can do the basics like teaching guys how to block properly.

we could do alot worse than Mike Solari.

 

[Natedawg44]

Blake didn't cut it but people forget that Baylor was not the Vanderbilt of the Big 12 it is now at that time, it was more like Texas Tech.

But incompetence is incompetence no matter who you are playing. SPIKE the ball on 4th down to stop the clock. Are you kidding me?

 

[Aikbach]

But incompetence is incompetence no matter who you are playing. SPIKE the ball on 4th down to stop the clock. Are you kidding me?

I would've expected that of A&M.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Blake didn't cut it but people forget that Baylor was not the Vanderbilt of the Big 12 it is now at that time, it was more like Texas Tech.

HUH? Texas Tech has won bowl games. I can't recall the last time Baylor went to a bowl game let alone won one.

 

[Aikbach]

HUH? Texas Tech has won bowl games. I can't recall the last time Baylor went to a bowl game let alone won one.

Alamo Bowl 1994, Co-South West Conference Champions. They haven't had a winning season since 1996 however.

Tech is also the only Big 12 team never to experience a losing season since the birth of the conference.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

But incompetence is incompetence no matter who you are playing. SPIKE the ball on 4th down to stop the clock. Are you kidding me?

Oh god, why did you just remind me of that. I was so embarrassed by that. Blake would also ask guys to retun punts from inside the 10 yard line instead of calling for a fair catch. I can't remember how many times the punt returner would drop the punt while the other team would get possession. It was a regular occurrence. That was totally John Blake

 

[Aikbach]

Oh god, why did you just remind me of that. I was so embarrassed by that. Blake would also ask guys to retun punts from inside the 10 yard line instead of calling for a fair catch. I can't remember how many times the punt returner would drop the punt while the other team would get possession. It was a regular occurrence. That was totally John Blake

He was a good d-line coach for Dallas however.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Alamo Bowl 1994, Co-South West Conference Champions. They haven't had a winning season since 1996 however.

Tech is also the only Big 12 team never to experience a losing season since the birth of the conference.

John Blake coached OU from 96-98 when Baylor was terrible so they were not decent by any means back then.

 

[Aikbach]

John Blake coached OU from 96-98 when Baylor was terrible so they were not decent by any means back then.

Again, you like to argue but that was the beginning of the decline but alright if you say so.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Again, you like to argue but that was the beginning of the decline but alright if you say so.

Dude, I'm not the one reaching for straws by arguing that Baylor was a decent team when they beat OU to justify John Blake as a decent coach. I'm much more mellow than I was otherwise, I would have ripped into you 3 posts ago for making such ridiculous statement. Ask Dale or Brainpaint

 

[Aikbach]

Dude, I'm not the one reaching for straws by arguing that Baylor was a decent team when they beat OU to justify John Blake as a decent coach. I'm much more mellow than I was otherwise, I would have ripped into you 3 posts ago for making such ridiculous statement. Ask Dale or Brainpaint

I'm confused, no one defended Blake. Simply said he had some talent on the roster in place for Stoops. If you decide to rip into me on a message board it won't phase me, just a light hearted discussion.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I'm confused, no one defended Blake. Simply said he had some talent on the roster in place for Stoops. If you decide to rip into me on a message board it won't phase me, just a light hearted discussion.

But the point is he didn't recruit enough talent to justify a national championship in Stoosp 2nd year. There was plenty of evidence for that as he was forced to converting RB's to wide receivers because they didn't have enough receivers. He was also forced to starting an undersized junior college transfer with a weak arm that was barely 6ft tall.

And I'm confused as well. You say that Baylor was decent in 1994. You admit that they were terrible when they joined the Big 12 in 1996. Blake coached from 1996-1998. They didn't have a winning record in any of those seasons. How was Baylor similar to Texas Tech then if they didn't even have a winning record then?

 

[Aikbach]

But the point is he didn't recruit enough talent to justify a national championship in Stoosp 2nd year. There was plenty of evidence for that as he was forced to converting RB's to wide receivers because they didn't have enough receivers. He was also forced to starting an undersized junior college transfer with a weak arm that was barely 6ft tall.

And I'm confused as well. You say that Baylor was decent in 1994. You admit that they were terrible when they joined the Big 12 in 1996. Blake coached from 1996-1998. They didn't have a winning record in any of those seasons. How was Baylor similar to Texas Tech then if they didn't even have a winning record then?

They became terrible right about thethe first two years of Big 12 play and have never been able to field a talented enough club to finsh off opponents.

They were like Tech up until that point in the sense that they consistently were an 8 and 9 win team that went to the Independe Bowl or the Liberty Bowl and occasionally the Cotton Bowl back when it was a prestige bowl.
But alas after the inception of the super conference the recruiting dryed up and the memory of Grant Teaff faded to the background.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

They became terrible right about thethe first two years of Big 12 play and have never been able to field a talented enough club to finsh off opponents.

They were like Tech up until that point in the sense that they consistently were an 8 and 9 win team that went to the Independe Bowl or the Liberty Bowl and occasionally the Cotton Bowl back when it was a prestige bowl.
But alas after the inception of the super conference the recruiting dryed up and the memory of Grant Teaff faded to the background.

We were both wrong. OU never lost to Baylor. OU beat Baylor 24-23 in 1997 and 28-24 in 1996. However, Baylor was 4-7 in 1996 and 2-9 in 1997 so they were pretty awful even then. We will agree to disagree then about the level of talent at OU when Stoops first arrived in 1999. I still think he had little to work with in regards to talent and really did an amazing job in regards to coaching.

But I think we agree in that college success doesn't mean anything at the NFL level. I really thought Nick Saban would succeed in the NFL so when he bombed, it suprised me. I know Spurrier would fail since his offense was a one-trick pony with a bunch of amazing Florida athletes he could recruit every year.

 

[jimmy40]

This is funny. He was hired in 1999. Since then he was won a National Championship, been to 2 National Championship games, a Rose Bowl and a Fiesta Bowl......and it's not like he took over Miami or Florida. OU was in the dumps and had lost to Baylor once under John Blake.

I don't mind someone saying we shouldn't hire him because the NFL is a different game as college success doesn't necessarily translate to success in the NFL. But for someone to say that he has not performed to the enormous expectations required of him is ridiculous.

You guys should quit arguing long enough to realize you're arguing about the wrong thing. It's not wether Stoops is a good coach, he is, the question is, was John Blake the worst head coach in the history of football.