I hate daylight savings time!

[nobody]

"Okay, it's a date...3 moons from tonight."

"When the bottom of the sun matches the top of the McDonald's sign in the sky"

 

[dsturgeon]

I have a bad feeling he feels the sun and moon are equidistant to the Earth, and much closer than science says...I really hope I'm wrong.

There have been "scientists" before and after the 1500's that think differently. You can make whatever claim you want, but the only scientific claim you can make is that you can not scientifically prove anything you believe about that, you just read it in a book and believe it.

 

[Runwildboys]

There have been "scientist" before and after the 1500's that think differently. You can make whatever claim you want, but the only scientific claim you can make is that you can not scientifically prove anything you believe about that, you just read it in a book and believe it.

And where did you learn your belief?

So obviously you don't believe we've ever been to the Moon, or that the recent space launches, such as the one with William Shatner are real.

 

[Runwildboys]

There have been "scientists" before and after the 1500's that think differently. You can make whatever claim you want, but the only scientific claim you can make is that you can not scientifically prove anything you believe about that, you just read it in a book and believe it.

BTW, everything the scientists and astrophysicist say adds up and makes sense, even when you put everything together. Are you a flat Earther? If so, can you show me a single working model of Earth the way you see it?

 

[dsturgeon]

And where did you learn your belief?

A different book, but I do not require the scientific method for my beliefs. I was merely pointing out that it is lacking from the other side of the argument. The sun being close, would be another alternative to make a lot of claims work.

I do find it it interesting that 99 percent of people today know nothing about the stars and can not even see them, compared to a long time ago when people lived and navigated by the heavens, kept their own calendars according to the heavens that were not fixed which followed the seasons, and built amazing stone structures aligned with the heavens that were mathematically precise.

BTW, everything the scientists and astrophysicist say adds up and makes sense, even when you put everything together. Are you a flat Earther? If so, can you show me a single working model of Earth the way you see it?

Everything they say starts from one guy on little earth observing the heavens with his naked eye and deciding that the earth rotates around the sun. There has been a whole lot derived from that. Theory upon theory.

I go with the Biblical Cosmology, and no, I can't give you any model of anything. It is beyond me. I hope to see the center of the milky way one day, and own a telescope

 

[Runwildboys]

A different book, but I do not require the scientific method for my beliefs. I was merely pointing out that it is lacking from the other side of the argument. The sun being close, would be another alternative to make a lot of claims work.

I do find it it interesting that 99 percent of people today know nothing about the stars and can not even see them, compared to a long time ago when people lived and navigated by the heavens, kept their own calendars according to the heavens that were not fixed which followed the seasons, and built amazing stone structures aligned with the heavens that were mathematically precise.



Everything they say starts from one guy on little earth observing the heavens with his naked eye and deciding that the earth rotates around the sun. There has been a whole lot derived from that. Theory upon theory.

I go with the Biblical Cosmology, and no, I can't give you any model of anything. It is beyond me. I hope to see the center of the milky way one day, and own a telescope

Not theory upon theory: Evidence upon evidence. Many different tested hypotheses that verify the previous findings, all backed up by peer review. This is something you're clearly never going to believe unless you somehow get to go to space yourself, so I'd be wasting my time and yours to continue. We can talk about something else next time.

 

[dsturgeon]

Not theory upon theory: Evidence upon evidence. Many different tested hypotheses that verify the previous findings, all backed up by peer review. This is something you're clearly never going to believe unless you somehow get to go to space yourself, so I'd be wasting my time and yours to continue. We can talk about something else next time.

I will agree to that, but I dont see it as a waste of time. I like talking about stuff like this, especially history. But, I would assume in those proven hypothesis, they are taking things as facts, which are in fact theories, such as the distance to the sun etc

 

[nobody]

I will agree to that, but I dont see it as a waste of time. I like talking about stuff like this, especially history. But, I would assume in those proven hypothesis, they are taking things as facts, which are in fact theories, such as the distance to the sun etc

....So you don't believe we have satellites? You don't believe we have space probes of any sorts? You don't believe we've measured the speed of light and used that to calculate distances? If we don't have satellites, how do we...you know what, nevermind. It's not worth going into.

 

[Hoofbite]

Why can't farmers "designate" their own time similar to military where it's a seamless transition.

I agree though, I got a little let down when I saw that it was coming up...like why??? I wake up before the sun regardless, but that grey sky at 4PM in the afternoon is Gotham type dreary @ times.

Isn't military time just a different way to state the current time? Whether or not it's 1500 or 3PM, it's the same time, isn't it?

 

[Hoofbite]

Wait, does this guy really believe the Earth is equidistant from both the moon and the sun?

 

[dsturgeon]

....So you don't believe we have satellites? You don't believe we have space probes of any sorts? You don't believe we've measured the speed of light and used that to calculate distances? If we don't have satellites, how do we...you know what, nevermind. It's not worth going into.

Scientists fail at easy observational stuff all the time. Mapping out earth by surveying and by GPS is no small feat, it is not complete, and there are many accuracy issues. Imagine someone on another "planet" with a telescope telling us mapping information about earth

Believing that we have mapped out the heavens and have a working knowledge of it by standing on earth is arrogant. Sorry, but I don't have the trust you do. Theory upon theory. It is amazing that they don't know what is at the bottom of the oceans, and are finding new continents, landmasses, and new stuff all the time, and the deepest we have drilled down on the planet we are on is 11 miles, but we know what is at the center of the earth, and figured out the heavens with a telescope

I do have lots of questions about satellites, low earth orbit, and gps. Maybe there are easy answers to them

 

[BigStar]

Isn't military time just a different way to state the current time? Whether or not it's 1500 or 3PM, it's the same time, isn't it?

Yeah, I kinda just combined the two thoughts, like farmers can designate their "own 5AM" as our 4AM...didn't really make sense but "felt" right
But you're right about the military time being same 1300 is 1PM, etc.

 

[CouchCoach]

Scientists fail at easy observational stuff all the time. Mapping out earth by surveying and by GPS is no small feat, it is not complete, and there are many accuracy issues. Imagine someone on another "planet" with a telescope telling us mapping information about earth

Believing that we have mapped out the heavens and have a working knowledge of it by standing on earth is arrogant. Sorry, but I don't have the trust you do. Theory upon theory. It is amazing that they don't know what is at the bottom of the oceans, and are finding new continents, landmasses, and new stuff all the time, and the deepest we have drilled down on the planet we are on is 11 miles, but we know what is at the center of the earth, and figured out the heavens with a telescope

I do have lots of questions about satellites, low earth orbit, and gps. Maybe there are easy answers to them

And here I am still stuck on the Thermos bottle. Hot or cold, how does it know? But oh yes, it knows.......it knows!

 

[dsturgeon]

And here I am still stuck on the Thermos bottle. Hot or cold, how does it know? But oh yes, it knows.......it knows!

Maybe the thermos is full of hot chocolate and we can put a tap on it, and get some marshmallow clouds to float down

 

[Hoofbite]

Scientists fail at easy observational stuff all the time. Mapping out earth by surveying and by GPS is no small feat, it is not complete, and there are many accuracy issues. Imagine someone on another "planet" with a telescope telling us mapping information about earth

I do find it it interesting that 99 percent of people today know nothing about the stars and can not even see them, compared to a long time ago when people lived and navigated by the heavens, kept their own calendars according to the heavens that were not fixed which followed the seasons, and built amazing stone structures aligned with the heavens that were mathematically precise.

I can't really tell what position you are taking in this whole discussion. On the one hand, you applaud ancient humans for their ability to observe and utilize the stars through sight alone, and; on the other hand, you doubt the utility of a telescope. Some of those telescopes can see things so far away that their distances are measured in time (Light-year) because the distances are so great that you'd fill an entire page in commas if it were written in miles or kilometers.

But, let's get back to this question: Do you really think the moon and the sun are equally far from Earth?

 

[dsturgeon]

I can't really tell what position you are taking in this whole discussion. On the one hand, you applaud ancient humans for their ability to observe and utilize the stars through sight alone, and; on the other hand, you doubt the utility of a telescope. Some of those telescopes can see things so far away that their distances are measured in time (Light-year) because the distances are so great that you'd fill an entire page in commas if it were written in miles or kilometers.

But, let's get back to this question: Do you really think the moon and the sun are equally far from Earth?

I believe the heavens are for signs and seasons. The sun, moon, and stars, operate in patterns, and can be used for navigation and calendars. All this can be recorded and observed from our position on earth, and has been for a long time.

I doubt us mapping out distances, telling what things are made of, how they interact with each other, etc by looking in a telescope

I actually believe this is the model, and the heavens move, not the earth. But that could change like it has changed before.

This model is really interesting. If you read the first book of Enoch chapter 37 it talks about the sun and moon movement through 6 gates and the traveling time through them all. You have to picture the sun and moon in the first model being close, read that chapter, and picture it on the 2nd model

The diagram is not to scale, just like maps of the earth are not to scale, or as it has been stated the earth is a sphere, ovaled, oblong, pear shaped, flat, and so on

I am sure I will get laughed at, but it is worth considering and looking into. It is very interesting. If I had to pick one way I believe things operate, this one make the most sense to me, and fits my idea of cosmology at the moment. I just cant buy the light years, galaxies, spinning at 66,000 mph, water bending. And the fact we can see things at distances that make the earth curvature equations invalid.

If you don't even look up at the sky, the oceans should bring up questions. Water does what it always does, it fills the container and settles at the top. It does with lakes, rivers, bowls, and oceans, it doesnt bend at the top

On a really cool side note, this guy Matthew Fontaine read a 2900 year old quote "and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas" and discovered ocean currents. And this quote is on his statue in virginia, ‘Matthew Fontaine Maury, Pathfinder of the Seas, the genius who first snatched from the oceans and atmosphere the secret of their laws.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Every week, I Skype with a Frenchwoman who lives in Laos. She helps me with my French. Anyway, Laos has the good sense to not use Daylight Saving Time. However, I have to explain our upcoming time change to her so that it doesn't screw up our appointment.

 

[TheBigEasy]

Stupidest day of the year followed by 5 months of depression.

Couldn't agree more, my friend. Lake effect snow, freezing temps and the lack of sunlight causes me some serious depression. Covid made last winter almost unbearable. This year, I'm praying for above average temps, seeing green grass every day and actually getting to watch the 'boys make the playoffs and WIN.

Screw day light savings time.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Couldn't agree more, my friend. Lake effect snow, freezing temps and the lack of sunlight causes me some serious depression. Covid made last winter almost unbearable. This year, I'm praying for above average temps, seeing green grass every day and actually getting to watch the 'boys make the playoffs and WIN.

Screw day light savings time.

I hate DST so much I've considered moving to Arizona, which does not use it. I used to live in Hawaii, which also doesn't have it. When I got back to the mainland, this DST stuff just seemed absurd. I hate it.

 

[Runwildboys]

I can't really tell what position you are taking in this whole discussion. On the one hand, you applaud ancient humans for their ability to observe and utilize the stars through sight alone, and; on the other hand, you doubt the utility of a telescope. Some of those telescopes can see things so far away that their distances are measured in time (Light-year) because the distances are so great that you'd fill an entire page in commas if it were written in miles or kilometers.

But, let's get back to this question: Do you really think the moon and the sun are equally far from Earth?

Technically, a light year is a unit of distance. They could also use parsecs. IIRC a parsec is about 2.6 light years.