I hate daylight savings time!

[Diehardblues]

While it can be annoying it does serve a purpose .

Of course growing up on and around a farm I knew how crucial DST was to the farmers during the spring thru the fall working the fields and harvesting the crops.

And of course it also protects our children in the mornings so they aren’t navigating crosswalks and bus rides in the dark.

 

[nobody]

While it can be annoying it does serve a purpose .

Of course growing up on and around a farm I knew how crucial DST was to the farmers during the spring thru the fall working the fields and harvesting the crops.

And of course it also protects our children in the mornings so they aren’t navigating crosswalks and bus rides in the dark.

However it takes a huge toll on everyone's health every six months with disrupted sleep patterns, etc. It's simply not necessary to change the time twice a year. They can pick one and stick with it. It doesn't matter which one.

 

[Hoofbite]

Technically, a light year is a unit of distance. They could also use parsecs. IIRC a parsec is about 2.6 light years.

True, but nomenclature-wise is more what I was going for. I dunno, I'm sort of an idiot but I think my general observation on the differing stances in those quotes is what I was going for.

 

[Big_D]

I like getting that extra hour next weekend. And I don't mind losing the hour in March because it's spring. lol Never really cared about it. I do have about a dozen clocks to set, but I don't mind that either.

 

[dsturgeon]

True, but nomenclature-wise is more what I was going for. I dunno, I'm sort of an idiot but I think my general observation on the differing stances in those quotes is what I was going for.

I will try to make the different stances more clear

1. One stance is that we can use the sun, moon, and stars for practical things on earth. Calendars, navigation, building.

point 1, is men on earth using the heavens to do things on earth

2. "Observationists" or so called scientists use telescopes to explain size, distance, function, relation, creation etc of the heavens

point 2, is men going the opposite direction to explain things from earth.

I think there is an arrogance to it. In recent history we have only discovered or are rediscovering the little bit of earth we can walk on. Our mapping using surveying, gps, boating, planes is a feat, but there are large inaccuracies and it is incomplete. Even using a globe we can not accuraetly map and scale out what we have observed. In the majority of earth which is the oceans and underground we have very little knowledge or 0 knowledge.

I could write a long list of unknowns and inaccuracies in our observations and discovery of the land we can walk on and live on. I do not get how people so easily believe these people telling them stuff going beyond earth that is out of our reach. It is almost like a spell that gets woven using theories and mathematics that no one actually understands, can explain, or scientifically prove, but they believe it. I am not saying it is all untrue, but the contrast of failures on the observable and undiscovered things on earth vs the total belief in what the telescope "scientists" say baffles me.

 

[Runwildboys]

I will try to make the different stances more clear

1. One stance is that we can use the sun, moon, and stars for practical things on earth. Calendars, navigation, building.

point 1, is men on earth using the heavens to do things on earth

2. "Observationists" or so called scientists use telescopes to explain size, distance, function, relation, creation etc of the heavens

point 2, is men going the opposite direction to explain things from earth.

I think there is an arrogance to it. In recent history we have only discovered or are rediscovering the little bit of earth we can walk on. Our mapping using surveying, gps, boating, planes is a feat, but there are large inaccuracies and it is incomplete. Even using a globe we can not accuraetly map and scale out what we have observed. In the majority of earth which is the oceans and underground we have very little knowledge or 0 knowledge.

I could write a long list of unknowns and inaccuracies in our observations and discovery of the land we can walk on and live on. I do not get how people so easily believe these people telling them stuff going beyond earth that is out of our reach. It is almost like a spell that gets woven using theories and mathematics that no one actually understands, can explain, or scientifically prove, but they believe it. I am not saying it is all untrue, but the contrast of failures on the observable and undiscovered things on earth vs the total belief in what the telescope "scientists" say baffles me.

When you consider why we don't know relatively much about the ocean, it's easier to understand. Most of what we know about space is observational, so really, we don't know details, such as where else is there life, what's the geology like on any of the exoplanets we've spotted, etc.

If there were an institution like NASA for oceanic studies, with the resources and funding they have, we'd probably be able to explore the oceans much more fully. But people aren't nearly as interested.

 

[dsturgeon]

When you consider why we don't know relatively much about the ocean, it's easier to understand. Most of what we know about space is observational, so really, we don't know details, such as where else is there life, what's the geology like on any of the exoplanets we've spotted, etc.

If there were an institution like NASA for oceanic studies, with the resources and funding they have, we'd probably be able to explore the oceans much more fully. But people aren't nearly as interested.

Maybe we won't figure out the details or find life, and we will figure out earth and humans were created differently, and we have a magnificent rotating mobile hung above our beds to reach towards and make gurgling noises at. Who knows.

 

[Runwildboys]

Maybe we won't figure out the details or find life, and we will figure out earth and humans were created differently, and we have a magnificent rotating mobile hung above our beds to reach towards and make gurgling noises at. Who knows.

Well, I believe in science, so that seems incredibly unlikely to me.

 

[dsturgeon]

Well, I believe in science, so that seems incredibly unlikely to me.

Without looking it up, can you name a current telescope scientist that is teaching you about space, the full methods and data they have used in detail for their scientific discoveries, and the repeatable proof? Or is it all cgi videos, magazine clips, assumed established story narratives, and what ifs?

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I know Florida actually passed a law that the state would simply go on DST and stay on it. So they would end the shifting of the clocks, which to my mind is pretty much the same thing as getting rid of DST, at least it's getting rid of the clock change. However, up till now they have not gotten approval from the Federal Government. It's a strange case. For some reason, if Florida simply went off daylight saving time and never used it again, they could do so with no Federal approval needed. However, to go on DST and stay on it, they need a Federal stamp of approval.

I say give them the approval. Let the state do what it wants.

 

[CouchCoach]

I like getting that extra hour next weekend. And I don't mind losing the hour in March because it's spring. lol Never really cared about it. I do have about a dozen clocks to set, but I don't mind that either.

Oh, shut up! There always has to be one with "but it is a nice lifeboat".

 

[CouchCoach]

Without looking it up, can you name a current telescope scientist that is teaching you about space, the full methods and data they have used in detail for their scientific discoveries, and the repeatable proof? Or is it all cgi videos, magazine clips, assumed established story narratives, and what ifs?

Dr. I.C. Faraway was my telescope scientist but I don't know if he's still teaching.

 

[MWH1967]

It's depressing for me. If its an overcast day around Christmas it gets dark around 5:30PM on the East coast. Sheesh!

 

[Runwildboys]

Without looking it up, can you name a current telescope scientist that is teaching you about space, the full methods and data they have used in detail for their scientific discoveries, and the repeatable proof? Or is it all cgi videos, magazine clips, assumed established story narratives, and what ifs?

Why do I need to be a scientist to trust in science? If you were on trial for murder, would you handle your own defense or hire a lawyer? Would you give your wife a heart transplant or trust the doctors to do it?

The scientific community has no reason to lie. Each discovery they make or theory they develop is peer reviewed and tested many, many times by other scientists, and if they find a problem with it they speak up. If it's proven wrong, they discard it or make the appropriate adjustments to correct it. For example, Newton's laws of gravity were pretty good, but there were issues with it. It's not that he was wrong, per se, but not completely correct. Einstein came along and after checking his work, corrected the problems, and others tried to disprove his work (which is how they verify, because it eliminates confirmation bias) and to date, nobody has.

Your model of the Earth (flat Earth, according to the picture) has a firmament. Why? Who's ever witnessed that? If the sun and moon were to revolve around the Earth the way they'd have to inside a firmament, there'd be an obvious and visible curve to their paths, since we can see the sun for sometimes 12 straight hours. The path would make a huge "c" shape in the sky.

 

[Vtwin]

It's depressing for me. If its an overcast day around Christmas it gets dark around 5:30PM on the East coast. Sheesh!

I wish it was light until 5:30 at Christmastime here in this corner of the East.

Sunset is at 4:18 on Christmas day.

 

[MWH1967]

I wish it was light until 5:30 at Christmastime here in this corner of the East.

Sunset is at 4:18 on Christmas day.

Damn..

 

[dsturgeon]

Why do I need to be a scientist to trust in science? If you were on trial for murder, would you handle your own defense or hire a lawyer? Would you give your wife a heart transplant or trust the doctors to do it?

The scientific community has no reason to lie. Each discovery they make or theory they develop is peer reviewed and tested many, many times by other scientists, and if they find a problem with it they speak up. If it's proven wrong, they discard it or make the appropriate adjustments to correct it. For example, Newton's laws of gravity were pretty good, but there were issues with it. It's not that he was wrong, per se, but not completely correct. Einstein came along and after checking his work, corrected the problems, and others tried to disprove his work (which is how they verify, because it eliminates confirmation bias) and to date, nobody has.

Your model of the Earth (flat Earth, according to the picture) has a firmament. Why? Who's ever witnessed that? If the sun and moon were to revolve around the Earth the way they'd have to inside a firmament, there'd be an obvious and visible curve to their paths, since we can see the sun for sometimes 12 straight hours. The path would make a huge "c" shape in the sky.

If you believe something untrue is it a lie? What do you think about water properties in that diagram versus bending on a globe. There would have to be something setting the sea "level" in that diagram but it makes more sense

 

[Big_D]

Oh, shut up! There always has to be one with "but it is a nice lifeboat".

so taking 10 minutes to set a few clocks twice a year is that much of a problem? You can even buy clocks that set themselves! Technology is crazy these days! You should’ve taken off for Arizona or Hawaii a long time ago. Those people got it made! Their grass is much greener because of that hour!

 

[Runwildboys]

If you believe something untrue is it a lie? What do you think about water properties in that diagram versus bending on a globe. There would have to be something setting the sea "level" in that diagram but it makes more sense

Think of gravity as a universal magnet that attracts every type of matter. Gravity is strongest at the center of the Globe Earth, therefore wherever the water around that point is, in a single body of water, the distance from the surface to the center of gravity is going to be the same. (Outside forces such as the sun's and moon's gravity notwithstanding.)

It's the same reason planets are spherical.

BTW, your comment about "established story narratives" is what prompted my reply about scientists having no reason to lie.

 

[dsturgeon]

Think of gravity as a universal magnet that attracts every type of matter. Gravity is strongest at the center of the Globe Earth, therefore wherever the water around that point is, in a single body of water, the distance from the surface to the center of gravity is going to be the same. (Outside forces such as the sun's and moon's gravity notwithstanding.)

It's the same reason planets are spherical.

BTW, your comment about "established story narratives" is what prompted my reply about scientists having no reason to lie.

Is there a water level on long lakes, or they curve as well with the curvature equation and gravity?