I have a confession

[Super_Kazuya]

Gotcha! Maintaining objectivity in regards to decisions regarding players makes you a "fake fan troll". Landry avoided attachment to players because he realized the time would come when the team would have to move on. Keeping a young, healthy, affordable Ware for all eternity would have been great but this is real life and he is none of those. Because someone doesn't share your particular outlook or opinion doesn't make his allegiance any less genuine.

Sorry, but you don't get to redefine the word "fan". A fan is not a negative, miserable crybaby person who complains about everything, talks bad about and doesn't care about the players and coaches, and generally tries to make actual fans as miserable as possible by association. Now whether that's good or bad, that's for them to decide. But they're not fans of this team.

 

[jnday]

you can tell the real fans from the so called fans easily in a thread like this.

Why? Is it because I don't cry over players? Today's players are loyal to the money without loyalty to their teams. They are hired guns . I am just as loyal to them as they are loyal to the team and fans. Things were much different before free agency and I had much more invested emotionally . I am sure glad that you are the judge for fandom as of late. We all strive to live up to your expectations.

 

[jday]

Many of Landry players played their entire careers in Dallas they were not shipped out to other teams. Yes there were some trades but by and large the player movement around the league was non existent. Granted you can't do that today, with a cap in place you can't afford to hold on to players making big money if they are not producing as they did before.

It's really tough to decide what is better for footbal overall: having no cap or free agency, so that players grow within a team, but little to no parity in the league, as a whole, or how things are now. Honestly, I lean towards the latter for the simple fact that every year a new team can completely flip their win / loss ratio with a good offseason.

 

[tideh20heel]

Many of Landry players played their entire careers in Dallas they were not shipped out to other teams. Yes there were some trades but by and large the player movement around the league was non existent. Granted you can't do that today, with a cap in place you can't afford to hold on to players making big money if they are not producing as they did before.

Sorry, but you don't get to redefine the word "fan". A fan is not a negative, miserable crybaby person who complains about everything, talks bad about and doesn't care about the players and coaches, and generally tries to make actual fans as miserable as possible by association. Now whether that's good or bad, that's for them to decide. But they're not fans of this team.

Thanks for your definition Mr. Webster. Perhaps being negative and critical of a group of players and/or decision makers that haven't win anything of consequence in almost two decades is being a fan of the team.

 

[conner01]

i hated to see ware leave. he was a great player and i think he will still be a very good player for a few more years. but in this era of the cap thats an important part of the game. you have to shed big contracts in order to manage the cap. ware is a great person and a great football player. i wish him the best in denver and i think he will play fine there. but for this team it was the right thing to do, but even knowing it had to be done i was also sad that thats the way it is today in the nfl

 

[conner01]

It's really tough to decide what is better for footbal overall: having no cap or free agency, so that players grow within a team, but little to no parity in the league, as a whole, or how things are now. Honestly, I lean towards the latter for the simple fact that every year a new team can completely flip their win / loss ratio with a good offseason.

i agree. as a fan of a team who was very successful in the old era its easy to say no cap. but as a nfl fan there is no question that the cap has brought parity to the nfl and thats good for the league itself

 

[Doomsday101]

It's really tough to decide what is better for footbal overall: having no cap or free agency, so that players grow within a team, but little to no parity in the league, as a whole, or how things are now. Honestly, I lean towards the latter for the simple fact that every year a new team can completely flip their win / loss ratio with a good offseason.

That is a fair point, myself I like it better before FA. Liked seeing guys like Lee Roy Jordan and DD lewis playing next to each other for much of their career Lewis 13 years in Dallas Jordan 14 years in Dallas. Guys like Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters playing side by side over their careers. In my opinion that was special it was more like family.

 

[jday]

you can tell the real fans from the so called fans easily in a thread like this.

Really? That's the measuring stick for a fan? We can't see the business side of the sport and recognize that all said and done it was a good decision for the future of the team? The "your not a real fan" argument does however help us distinguish who is worth listening to. So, thanks for the heads up.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thanks for your definition Mr. Webster. Perhaps being negative and critical of a group of players and/or decision makers that haven't win anything of consequence in almost two decades is being a fan of the team.

I think Dallas did the right thing with Ware, the money he was making vs the fall of production made no sense for Dallas to keep him in todays NFL where caps play a big part. Before Caps and FA Ware remaining in Dallas would have been highly likely and I do think there is a good chance that Ware can still be a very productive player but for the Cowboys it was a very expensive risk they could not take.

 

[Doomsday101]

i agree. as a fan of a team who was very successful in the old era its easy to say no cap. but as a nfl fan there is no question that the cap has brought parity to the nfl and thats good for the league itself

I guess you can call it parity but fact is bad teams drafted 1st as they do now differance was you could actually build a team and make it last. There are no Doomsday defense or Steel Curtain, Fearsome foursome and the likes. Why because these groups do not stay around long enough. If you can build 4 top DL well come 1st contract you have to make a choice of who stays and who goes.

 

[jday]

That is a fair point, myself I like it better before FA. Liked seeing guys like Lee Roy Jordan and DD lewis playing next to each other for much of their career Lewis 13 years in Dallas Jordan 14 years in Dallas. Guys like Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters playing side by side over their careers. In my opinion that was special it was more like family.

I'm fairly certain many Cowboys fans who lived through that era would agree with you; it is where they earned the moniker "America's Team"..but their opposition, not so much. It's a question of perspective really - if the Cowboys were terrible through that era, like the patriots are the buccaneers, you would probably be all for FA/Cap. Of course, I could be wrong...you may prefer that regardless, which if so, we will simply have to agree not to agree.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm fairly certain many Cowboys fans who lived through that era would agree with you; it is where they earned the moniker "America's Team"..but their opposition, not so much. It's a question of perspective really - if the Cowboys were terrible through that era, like the patriots are the buccaneers, you would probably be all for FA/Cap. Of course, I could be wrong...you may prefer that regardless, which if so, we will simply have to agree not to agree.

I don't agree, Bill Parcells came in and built the Giants during that time, no FA he just built a team. Yes there are certain ups to FA and Caps but I think every team had the oppertunity to build a true team not a situation where guys are coming and going and good talent is lost not because they can't produce but because the team who drafted him can't afford to keep him. Bill Walsh came to SF after years of being down and built a great 49ers team and again No FA, no cap

 

[jnday]

Sorry, but you don't get to redefine the word "fan". A fan is not a negative, miserable crybaby person who complains about everything, talks bad about and doesn't care about the players and coaches, and generally tries to make actual fans as miserable as possible by association. Now whether that's good or bad, that's for them to decide. But they're not fans of this team.

I have noticed that some of the fans on this board are like some parents. They are quick to judge other parents and how they raise their children, but they fail to be honest about how they are raising their own children. Their child may be a brat, but they will defend the child even when the child is wrong instead of being honest with themselves and wanting to see the child corrected. Emotions can blind a fan to reality in many cases.

 

[Doomsday101]

Really? That's the measuring stick for a fan? We can't see the business side of the sport and recognize that all said and done it was a good decision for the future of the team? The "your not a real fan" argument does however help us distinguish who is worth listening to. So, thanks for the heads up.

I agree, it was not personal. I think Jerry and the Cowboys would have loved to kept Ware they talked of ways they could keep him but in the end Ware did the smart thing business wise and the Cowboys did the smart thing business wise. I think it is likely Ware will one day sign a 1 day contract and retire as a Cowboy we will see but both sides did what they had to do.

 

[jday]

I don't agree, Bill Parcells came in and built the Giants during that time, no FA he just built a team. Yes there are certain ups to FA and Caps but I think every team had the oppertunity to build a true team not a situation where guys are coming and going and good talent is lost not because they can't produce but because the team who drafted him can't afford to keep him. Bill Walsh came to SF after years of being down and built a great 49ers team and again No FA, no cap

But in both the cases you mentioned, it took several years for them to do that and finding a franchise QB in Sims and Montana, respectively. During the era of Doomsday, Iron Curtain, Purple People Eaters, etc - there were only a handful of the same teams in the playoffs every year. In this era, a coach can take over and take a team, with much of the same ingredients, to the Super Bowl, following a season of terrible to mediocrity. For me, it's a beautiful thing, but I truly get and respect where you coming from.

 

[jday]

I agree, it was not personal. I think Jerry and the Cowboys would have loved to kept Ware they talked of ways they could keep him but in the end Ware did the smart thing business wise and the Cowboys did the smart thing business wise. I think it is likely Ware will one day sign a 1 day contract and retire as a Cowboy we will see but both sides did what they had to do.

I completely agree with you there!

 

[Doomsday101]

But in both the cases you mentioned, it took several years for them to do that and finding a franchise QB in Sims and Montana, respectively. During the era of Doomsday, Iron Curtain, Purple People Eaters, etc - there were only a handful of the same teams in the playoffs every year. In this era, a coach can take over and take a team, with much of the same ingredients, to the Super Bowl, following a season of terrible to mediocrity. For me, it's a beautiful thing, but I truly get and respect where you coming from.

I just think the prospect of building something that is better than hired guns we see today. I also think overall depth was better on these teams because guys would have to sit behind starters but they understood the system they had worked in the system they were experianced. I do understand the flip side of the coin but to me those players and those teams around the NFL is what built this league and without it I don't think the same type of loyalty fans have would be the same.

 

[Vintage]

Good one!

What can I say? It's a good song.

 

[tomduhain]

I almost shed a tear when Ryan Leaf was (briefly) given a Cowboy jersey. Never thought the team could sink so low. Actually it was that pre-vomit, acid upwelling feeling. Can make your eyes water.

 

[jnday]

You couldn't pay me to shed a tear for anyone on this team right now.

Dez is the only player that shows his emotions on the field and he gets bashed for it. It is easy to tell that losing hurts him. I don't see another player on the team that plays with the passion and desire to win that he does.