I have a confession

[jday]

I agree until the attacks on players stat becoming personal. Things like Ware sucks and I'm glad we got rid of him I admit hacks me off, the guy brought it he gave a lot to this team and at least in my view deserves a little respect. Dallas did the right thing as I stated before and Ware did the right thing as well. But for some to make personal attack on him yeah some will defend Ware out of the respect they have for him.

It is not defending him that I take issue with. It's the redundant, over-stated method of argument people tend to employ that I take issue with. People who perceive someone as pessimistic tend to take the easy root and challenge their fanhood. Transversly, people who perceive someone as optimistic, will simply accuse them of being drunk on the koolaid. Both debates rarely have baring on the discussion at hand and it get's old. Is it too much to ask for a little originality?

 

[jnday]

At the end of the day, I respect your response. Being a fan is not a requirement of participating here. I wish you wouldn't troll as much but that's life. I don't believe in using the ignore feature even though I know it works for some.

I have no problem with your definition of a fan or your opinion that I troll too much. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It is just a guy's opinion on the Internet. I have followed the team for a long time for me not to be a fan. This is where we disagree, I see the Cowboys as being bigger than Jerry , Jason or Romo. I have seen the "class" of the NFL become a joke at times. As a "follower" of this team, I have no problem bashing some of the reasons why. From what I gather, you think a fan should be much more supportive and positive about about the team. From my position, I expect to see reasons to be positive and supportive. I don't have emotional feelings for many of the current players at all. I do have an emotional investment in the Dallas Cowboys organization and I try to have a little hope that the the team will rise to the top again. There is no way that anybody can deny that the last several years have been epic failures if you look at the history of the Cowboys. Some of us are fed up with the lack of success and we expect more. The failures of this team has been preventable and I refuse to support failure just so that I can be labeled a "fan". Like many other posters, I am not going to lower my expectations and standards. If anything, this team needs to raise their standards.

 

[Cebrin]

Come back and say this at the end of the season when he has 13+ sacks.

In a non 4-3 scheme.

 

[Doomsday101]

It is not defending him that I take issue with. It's the redundant, over-stated method of argument people tend to employ that I take issue with. People who perceive someone as pessimistic tend to take the easy root and challenge their fanhood. Transversly, people who perceive someone as optimistic, will simply accuse them of being drunk on the koolaid. Both debates rarely have baring on the discussion at hand and it get's old. Is it too much to ask for a little originality?

I agree things get to the extreme. I think having healthy criticism is good people who come in and have well thought out things they would like to see changed or improves on makes sense even if there is disagreement. I try to be open to the negative and positives on all topics be it Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett, Tony Romo and all other aspects of the Cowboys. I don't see all darkness nor do I see pie in the sky. Even leading up to the games I don’t predicts blowouts I understand how hard it is to win games and that every weekend you face other professional teams who have talented players. The margin between winning in losing is often very small and games turn on a play or series. I look at every team the Cowboys face as a challenge, maybe that is because I was raised during the Landry era where he took no team for granted and a respect was shown for those teams we were about to face.

 

[Frozen700]

The day DeMarcus Ware was released as a Dallas Cowboy I shed a tear. I rode around for a few hours and cried when I got home and my gf asked what was wrong I said it was allergies. It was time to move on though.

Tell me your joking.....

 

[Frozen700]

Come back and say this at the end of the season when he has 13+ sacks.

Stop it

He started to become the Commanders personal whipping boy

 

[jday]

I agree things get to the extreme. I think having healthy criticism is good people who come in and have well thought out things they would like to see changed or improves on makes sense even if there is disagreement. I try to be open to the negative and positives on all topics be it Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett, Tony Romo and all other aspects of the Cowboys. I don't see all darkness nor do I see pie in the sky. Even leading up to the games I don’t predicts blowouts I understand how hard it is to win games and that every weekend you face other professional teams who have talented players. The margin between winning in losing is often very small and games turn on a play or series. I look at every team the Cowboys face as a challenge, maybe that is because I was raised during the Landry era where he took no team for granted and a respect was shown for those teams we were about to face.

I have a similiar outlook - I call it being a realist. But as I said on another thread, being a realist sometimes means being optimistic or pessimistic, dependent on what I'm talking about and how the reader perceives what I'm writing - particularly when people are making predictions. Right now, I am very much on the fence with the Cowboys. On one hand, the offense, I beleive, is better than average, if not top 10, in terms of overall depth and talent - at least on paper. The defense, however, especially with the loss of Lee looks to be very much a mess, if you consider the injury history, lack of experience, and last year's debacle - again, on paper. But for those of us who have been a fan for while, we all know it could easily end up being the opposite once the pads are on and the games are real.

 

[DallasEast]

The day DeMarcus Ware was released as a Dallas Cowboy I shed a tear. I rode around for a few hours and cried when I got home and my gf asked what was wrong I said it was allergies. It was time to move on though.

You liked a member of the Dallas Cowboys so much that you cried when he left. It's no big deal. Potent attachments prompt emotional responses...unless the response is shackled by enculturation. Yours wasn't. You're a stronger man than some self-proclaimed he-men. Big whoop.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have a similiar outlook - I call it being a realist. But as I said on another thread, being a realist sometimes means being optimistic or pessimistic, dependent on what I'm talking about and how the reader perceives what I'm writing - particularly when people are making predictions. Right now, I am very much on the fence with the Cowboys. On one hand, the offense, I beleive, is better than average, if not top 10, in terms of overall depth and talent - at least on paper. The defense, however, especially with the loss of Lee looks to be very much a mess, if you consider the injury history, lack of experience, and last year's debacle - again, on paper. But for those of us who have been a fan for while, we all know it could easily end up being the opposite once the pads are on and the games are real.

I don't disagree on that at all. I do tend to be more the optimist. While I do not expect this defense to be a top 10 defense I do think they are capable of being a much improved defense over last year, really should not be hard to improve on given how poorly they played. Losing Lee does hurt and it will not fall to guys like Durant, Holloman and Hitchens to learn and get themselfs ready. I actually have think the DL will be improved not based on 1 player but I think there will be a better overall rotation on the DL. I think given what Marinelli worked with last year with guys coming off the streets to now having a lot of young guys getting OTA and soon training camp will be in better shape.
Again not trying to claim this defense is going to be the strenght of the team that falls to the offense but I do expect an improvement with the defense. and I expect to compete within the NFC East

 

[jday]

I don't disagree on that at all. I do tend to be more the optimist. While I do not expect this defense to be a top 10 defense I do think they are capable of being a much improved defense over last year, really should not be hard to improve on given how poorly they played. Losing Lee does hurt and it will not fall to guys like Durant, Holloman and Hitchens to learn and get themselfs ready. I actually have think the DL will be improved not based on 1 player but I think there will be a better overall rotation on the DL. I think given what Marinelli worked with last year with guys coming off the streets to now having a lot of young guys getting OTA and soon training camp will be in better shape.
Again not trying to claim this defense is going to be the strenght of the team that falls to the offense but I do expect an improvement with the defense. and I expect to compete within the NFC East

There is an issue with your premise, it's an assertion Aikman recently coined, as well: That the Cowboy's can't be worse than last year. I've actually had this debate with a few people already. The truth is there is no bottom to how bad a defense can be...it very well could be worse. Another unfortunate truth is that guy's with injury histories are more susceptible to injury - so you can also expect that we will once again have to do without players - injuries are a very big part of the game, but the Cowboys are gambling on quite a few players to beat those odds. Lastly, three of the players that kept the defense worthy of respect, three players that OC's had to account for when putting together a gameplan, are now gone - Ware and Hatcher via free agency and Lee due to season ending injury. And that is why I lean a little towards the pessimistic side, as far as the defense is concerned.

 

[Doomsday101]

There is an issue with your premise, it's an assertion Aikman recently coined, as well: That the Cowboy's can't be worse than last year. I've actually had this debate with a few people already. The truth is there is no bottom to how bad a defense can be...it very well could be worse. Another unfortunate truth is that guy's with injury histories are more susceptible to injury - so you can also expect that we will once again have to do without players - injuries are a very big part of the game, but the Cowboys are gambling on quite a few players to beat those odds. Lastly, three of the players that kept the defense worthy of respect, three players that OC's had to account for when putting together a gameplan, are now gone - Ware and Hatcher via free agency and Lee due to season ending injury. And that is why I lean a little towards the pessimistic side, as far as the defense is concerned.

I don't disagree, I'm optimistic. lol Could thing get worse? Yes they could, could things be better than last year? Yes they could in the end you play the ball games and it will tell the entire story. I admit I'm putting a lot on Marinelli, I'm putting a lot of guys now in the 2nd year of this defense to have a better understanding of their assingments and I'm putting a lot on young guys like Wilcox to be able to make more of an impact. Now could my outlook be wrong? Yes it could

Even in my optimistic outlook I am not expecting a top 10 defense just an improved defense.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Naw last time I cried over a game Dallas lost to the Commanders in the NFC Championship and I was watching it with 2 Commander fans. Of course did not cry in front of them. lol

Hey - same here! Only difference is i was one of only two Cowboy fans in a house full of Commander fans. It didn't help that i was literally 1/2 mile away from RFK and you could hear the crowd throughout the game.

I haven't shed a tear since though.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The day DeMarcus Ware was released as a Dallas Cowboy I shed a tear. I rode around for a few hours and cried when I got home and my gf asked what was wrong I said it was allergies. It was time to move on though.

There is no Crying on this board or among the Cowboys faithful!

Ah feel like slapping you the way Patton slapped that guy in the chow line at the world's fair!
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Man, get a hold of yourself! If you half to shed tears, make them tears of joy for ridding a expensive guy who is worn down and of no more use to us or as the broncos will find out, to them either.
So stop it or I will half to tell your gf to slap you hard, real hard!

 

[Doomsday101]

Hey - same here! Only difference is i was one of only two Cowboy fans in a house full of Commander fans. It didn't help that i was literally 1/2 mile away from RFK and you could hear the crowd throughout the game.

I haven't shed a tear since though.

Well the fact I was drinking a lot did not help. lol I still take losses hard, I hate losing and I hate to see my team lose but I accept the fact that if you play sports or watch sports you must be able to deal with disappointment and failure and if you can't then you better find another hobby because there will always be more disappointment more so than success.

 

[Joe Realist]

He gets 12 sacks for Denver this year and finally gets to a Super Bowl.

 

[HappyOnions]

I don't think I've ever cried over sports, however I admire your passion.

I think the closest I've ever come to coming unglued was either when Orton threw the interception last year in the final game, or when Romo did it the year before...

 

[xwalker]

He gets 12 sacks for Denver this year and finally gets to a Super Bowl.

It would the correct move for the Cowboys regardless of what he does in Denver.

 

[KJJ]

The day DeMarcus Ware was released as a Dallas Cowboy I shed a tear. I rode around for a few hours and cried when I got home and my gf asked what was wrong I said it was allergies. It was time to move on though.

They'll be a few more tears shed by some if he stays healthy in 2014 because he'll produce 12-plus sacks with the Broncos. With Denver's high powered offense piling up the points forcing opponents to have to throw to keep up Ware will flourish if he can avoid some of the injuries that have limited his effectiveness. With offenses having to keep an eye on Von Miller and Talib improving the Broncos secondary the 2014 season could be big for Ware if he's not battling any injuries.

He has to be really excited finally playing for a good well coached team that will be competing for the SB again. They'll be some interesting discussion on the board if does have a big year leading the Broncos to the playoffs while the Cowboys are sitting home for a 5th straight season.

 

[jday]

I don't disagree, I'm optimistic. lol Could thing get worse? Yes they could, could things be better than last year? Yes they could in the end you play the ball games and it will tell the entire story. I admit I'm putting a lot on Marinelli, I'm putting a lot of guys now in the 2nd year of this defense to have a better understanding of their assingments and I'm putting a lot on young guys like Wilcox to be able to make more of an impact. Now could my outlook be wrong? Yes it could

Even in my optimistic outlook I am not expecting a top 10 defense just an improved defense.

There is something to that: More experience should improve the play of some, if not all. But, then again, the same is true of the Cowboys opposition.

 

[Doomsday101]

There is something to that: More experience should improve the play of some, if not all. But, then again, the same is true of the Cowboys opposition.

Sure. NY Giants this season will be putting in a new offense, Washington a whole new staff and Philly will be in the 2nd year of Kelly. I think East is up for grabs but I also think we will be in the mix. As bad as we were we still went 5-1 in the NFC East. So while I don't think it is a given we will win I do expect the Cowboys to compete and if the fail then of course I will be disappointed