I have a Michael Irvin Question for the Board

[mr.jameswoods]

That it is impairs your judgement and kills brain cells. Anything that impairs judgement, taken on your own volition is wrong. It does not effect just you, it will effect others too.

As a Christian, your body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost - Michael on that basis should not be doing something that "messes up that Temple" as he proclaims to be a Christian.

The Bible does not speak of drug use as far as I know but does speak of alcohol and how it effects your judgement and taken in that manner is wrong, so I would carry that over into any drug use taken recreationally rather than for medicinal purposes.

What's interesting to note is that a lot of other religions say the same thing too. Not trying to start a religious debate. I just find it fascinating that the worlds major religions share many of the same messages.

 

[aikemirv]

Jesus drank Wine.

Paul, in 1st Timothy, tells Timothy to drink wine....for medicinal reasons.

If you look in the Bible their is a marked difference between the Wine that Jesus drank and the wine as stated in Proverbs:

Proverbs 23:31 - Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

 

[Mike 1967]

heh, by now you know that i don't believe in absolutes simply because that implies a black/white RIGHT/WRONG w/no situational analysis allowed. neither of us in the grand scheme of things has verifiable proof that our "morals" are exactly what is required and/or needed.

i have my morals and they are absolute to me. but i'd not ask anyone else to live by them because they are not me.

Then, obviously, you will never have an opinion of someone's character based on "moral" issue's.

If pedophilia were ever legalized...then you would be ok with it in respect to allowing others to do it.

In short...there is nothing that you would fight for.....on moral grounds.

 

[Mike 1967]

I believe he was speaking of excesses of wine, and "drunken bouts", which are spoken against. Not just an occasional cocktail, LOL.

I don't have an argument with that.

Which would point us back to the original question. Pot residue is not "excessive".

 

[aikemirv]

What's interesting to note is that a lot of other religions say the same thing too. Not trying to start a religious debate. I just find it fascinating that the worlds major religions share many of the same messages.

Well, If you believe as I do that The God of the Bible created the universe and thus the first religion that the fact that other religions follow the same theory is not odd.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

It's a harmless drug but it is illegal. People - especially a father and "role model" -should be more responsible. Driving with arrest warrants because he never paid his speeding tickets, sticking a pipe below the seat when he knew if he was pulled over he would be searched, and then giving us this bologne story about brother, friend or whoever in rehab frustrating. Just be a man Mike, and admit you still don't care. If you weren't full of it, you'd take a drug test pronto. You can use all the drugs you want, just don't expect to get in the HOF soon, make fans proud of you, and keep your job at ESPN. There are consequences for everything. Weed may be harmless but it is illegal. I don't think it's too hard to expect a Cowboys legend to stay away from a drug that isn't even addictive. It's not a drug problem, it's not legalization politics, it's the attitude of someone who doesn't think he can get caught, and doesn't care if he does, but instead tries to use Christianity, friends in need, and whateer other excuses he's offered before, and never takes the responsibility or blame himself. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

If you look in the Bible their is a marked difference between the Wine that Jesus drank and the wine as stated in Proverbs:

Proverbs 23:31 - Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

The wine back then was 3-4 times as strong as wine today. The fermentation process wasn't as carefully controlled and so a person could easily get drunk on a couple of glasses of wine.

 

[aikemirv]

I don't have an argument with that.

Which would point us back to the original question. Pot residue is not "excessive".

No, not excessive but it would alter your judgement, would it not?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I've heard it was a crack pipe and I've heard it was a marijuana pipe.

My only concern is that Irvin is an addict and it's typically not wise for addicts to take any type of drugs. Alcoholics are told the same thing, in fact they tell them not to drink NA beer.

If it was marijuana, other than being concerned about his health, I have no problem with it. Regardless of whether it happened in Dallas, Denver or Amsterdam.

As a former marijuana user, it's far better than any type of tobacco and while I like my alcohol, it's much much better for you than alcohol.

I don't use anymore for being afraid of getting caught and I'm not sure how my work would handle it, even if it's pretty much a harmless drug.

But in Irvin's case, I'm just afraid that it may be a gateway drug given his situation. However, I do think football players and athletes that are in very physical sports (especially pro wrestlers) should take up smoking marijuana as it's a far safer alternative than pain killers.


Rich.........

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Well, If you believe as I do that The God of the Bible created the universe and thus the first religion that the fact that other religions follow the same theory is not odd.

Technically, Christianity is not the world's oldest practiced religion. You do know that right? Both Hinduism and Buddhism have been practiced for far longer. I do believe in the God of the Bible. I believe he created the Universe. But I also believe many of the world's major religions worship that same god in different forms.

 

[Mike 1967]

If you look in the Bible their is a marked difference between the Wine that Jesus drank and the wine as stated in Proverbs:

Proverbs 23:31 - Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

I guess it all depends on the definition of Excess

1Ti 3:8 Likewise5615 must the deacons1249 be grave,4586 not3361 doubletongued,1351 not3361 given4337 to much4183 wine,3631 not3361 greedy of filthy lucre;146

1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water,5202, 3371 but235 use5530 a little3641 wine3631 for thy stomach's sake1223, 4675, 4751 and2532 thine4675 often4437 infirmities.769

 

[aikemirv]

Technically, Christianity is not the world's oldest practiced religion. You do know that right?

If the God of the Bible, who created everything, namely the first Man and Woman, Adam and Eve, and they worshipped that God, then how could it not be?

 

[superpunk]

I don't have an argument with that.

Which would point us back to the original question. Pot residue is not "excessive".

But what led to that "residue"? Probably a more sizeable portion of pot. And even a little bit, can impair you.

 

[Mike 1967]

No, not excessive but it would alter your judgement, would it not?

Yes...even a small amount of wine would have a "relaxing" effect

 

[Mike 1967]

But what led to that "residue"? Probably a more sizeable portion of pot. And even a little bit, can impair you.

Are you assuming that he smoked it while driving ?

Would you feel the same way if there was an open beer can in his car ?

 

[mr.jameswoods]

If the God of the Bible, who created everything, namely the first Man and Woman, Adam and Eve, and they worshipped that God, then how could it not be?

Religion is a technical term. Faith or belief is something else. You could argue that Christianity in terms of faith or belief is the oldest or first so yes, you could say that. I don't believe in creationism so I don't believe in Adam and Eve. I believe God created the universe through evolutionary processes.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Since we are on the topic of religion. Do you guys believe that Mormons are Christians?

 

[Hoov]

the trouble is, it's been "illegal" for so long and has had so many misconceptions about it over the years.

marajuana doesn't lead to harder drugs, the desire to do drugs leads to harder drugs. marajuana just gets rid of the junk in your fridge that's been sitting there as a science experiment for quite some time but may taste ok just the same.

"reefer madness" - if there was ever a load of hammered moose manure, this is it. getting all energetic and crazy after smoking it? hardly. well, unless taking 10 minutes to reach for the remote then not knowing why is just whacky.

and it's been villianized most all of our lives. those who have not already put that aside and tried it will likely have a negative outlook on it and those who use it.

w/alcohol, people go nuts, drive around and kill people, get into arguments, blow out livers (wonder how much of mine is left anymore - it grows back, right???) but w/weed you just sit around and waste time.

maybe too much of it - that IS a valid concern.

now - what if an NFL player went to amsterdam - could they THEN smoke and it be "ok"? i tend to doubt it because i'd think the policy is NO WEED, not NO WEED WHERE ILLEGAL. but since irvin isn't in the NFL, what would his work say?

in jobs where you're not required to be 24x7 i think a drug law is an invasion of privacy. when i go to best buy and see they're drug free, it does my heart wonders to know that the pimple-faced kid who put the cd's out didn't get high last night.

right, WHO CARES? and why would NOT smoking be a pre-req for a job like this? policeman, fireman, doctor on call - sure. if you may have to "go to work" then you'd better be straight and able to. otherwise, what people do with their own lives is their own business.

smoking and driving - would it bug me if someone was high and ran into my truck because of it? well, no more than the **(#*($&*(*(&@(*$ idiots who must talk on their cell phone and cut over 4 lanes because they're about to miss a turn, drive slow because they're busy talking on the phone and doing hand motions with the other hand leaving the rest of us to wonder what they're driving with.

in short, i don't care what michael does or where. but if illegal and he gets caught, then pay the standard fare and move about your life - that's the law and i'm ok with that.

instead people want to be judge and jury and express a standard of life for others i sincerely doubt they'd hold to for themselves.

now if he was pulled over where legal, then we'd probably never know because he'd just be sent on his way.

That was a great post, cant think of anything i would add to it.

Oh yeah, the liver does regenerate itself unless it gets to a certain point, i cant remember but i think if more than 80% is destroyed you could have problems with regeneration. Usually it doesnt get to this point unless your a hard drinker and drinking every single day, cause you never give it a chance to regenerate.

 

[aikemirv]

Since we are on the topic of religion. Do you guys believe that Mormons are Christians?

A true Mormon does not believe that Jesus is God, so therefore he is not perfect and thus his atoning sacrifice would be of no use. While I guess one could be, I can't imagine how.

 

[superpunk]

Are you assuming that he smoked it while driving ?

Would you feel the same way if there was an open beer can in his car ?

Honestly, I want to believe Michael. I consider him rehabilitated, and I believe you "forgive and forget", not bringing up prior transgressions when reviewing new situations. I don't think he was smoking while drinking, I think if that was the case, the policeman would have recognized the aroma, and that would have been mentioned somewhere.

I was just speaking from a moral standpoint, and if there was paraphernalia with pot "residue" on it, then there was more than likely a decent amount of pot on or in that paraphernalia. If your conscience prohibits you from defiling your body, or impairing your judgement (which can lead to worse things), then you can't be "OK" with Irvin having anything with any sort of a trace of pot on it.

In either case (beer can or paraphernalia), I would and do think Irvin acted in poor judgement. He knows his history, he knows what people will assume if he's caught with either object. He shouldn't have been so foolish.