I just have a feeling about Martellus Bennett

[btcutter]

How come you can judge all these things you say ?

Have you spend intesive time with Benett so you can make yourself an opinion about him ? I mean you can't judge a person and his personality just by watching him on TV. And especially not in a show like Hard Knocks.

So i guess you spent a lot of time with him and you must also have alot of expert experience in psychology. Otherwise how could you state that acting this or that way shows that a person has inner drive or not ? Are there some scientific papers where i could read somthing about that ?

I am just curious.

Ok, let's turn it around and ask why do you think or have you seen to make Bennett a star in the making??? Physical attributes are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Witten isn't the most physically gifted TE but he's got talent and he works at his craft relentlessly.

We all form our opinions on what we see and hear so mine opinion isn't worth any more than yours.

Let's just ask why do the Cowboys need to assign a single coach to constantly stay in his ears just to get him to learn? Call it what you want but me is lack of discipline and drive.

Someone brought up Randy Moss. Anyone remember when he played for Oakland??? Undriven and unmotivated....no production and below average WR. Driven and motivated in New England...success...

 

[btcutter]

Well, I would have agreed with you had I not heard differently and seen him improve then seen his skills. He's different but you may want to think about giving him the chance to succeed or fail. They've definitely been all over him but he seems to be taking it pretty well. I see him succeeding where you see him failing. His problem is getting on the field and playing behind arguably the best TE in the game.

So is the only reason he's going to fail is because its in his head????

His head will be one of the biggest road block to his success. If he is not driven then he will not succeed. Even Randy Moss can't be successful if he doesn't put forth his full effort.

We all hear some improvement from him during camp which is a little encouraging but this is a long process. People tend to fall in love with his physical attribute and forget that you have to be mentally tough to be successful in ANY walk of life.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Is he closer to a WR-type or a TE?

more like an H-back

but he blocks really well, so you can't really call him that

so TE

 

[jobberone]

His head will be one of the biggest road block to his success. If he is not driven then he will not succeed. Even Randy Moss can't be successful if he doesn't put forth his full effort.

We all hear some improvement from him during camp which is a little encouraging but this is a long process. People tend to fall in love with his physical attribute and forget that you have to be mentally tough to be successful in ANY walk of life.

Sorry I had to delete last post as addressed wrong poster.

I agree with you for the most part. People use different tools to succeed. For some 'driven' by your definition works. For others, well they use different methods. But to be a successful professional you have to be pretty diligent.

 

[Disturbed]

One thing is obvious about Bennett, fans seem to be polarized when it comes to him. The main issue is not physical talent or ability, but mental makeup and toughness.

Some think he will grow up and learn to be a professional, and others believe he will never achieve much due to his lack of drive and childlike behavior/demeanor.

So far it appears that the facts support the latter group -- acts like a child, not professional, seems emotional......etc.

 

[Jimz31]

What's between his ears is what concerns me....but he did get MUCH better towards the end of PS.

 

[TwentyOne]

Ok, let's turn it around and ask why do you think or have you seen to make Bennett a star in the making???

Show me were i said that he will become a star or has inner drive. What i did was question the basis of your argumentation. And till now you didn't answer that.

We all form our opinions on what we see and hear so mine opinion isn't worth any more than yours.

Of course and yours have no more worth then mine seen from a humanly standpoint. But i think there are opinions people tend to believe because they are backed up with good arguments. Others are getting discarded because there are just no facts that can give basis to them. From that perpective i think there are opinions that have more or less worth to those who read them.

And to me just to say Bennett has no inner drive with no real fact to back that up hasn't really much worth to me.

Also you are right when you say we all form our opinions on what we hear. Some people just verify information a little bit more before they make up their mind. Not everything you hear see or read is always true.

Let's just ask why do the Cowboys need to assign a single coach to constantly stay in his ears just to get him to learn? Call it what you want but me is lack of discipline and drive.

No let's ask something else. I saw a episode of Hard Knocks that showed that. Do you judge his inner drive and talent because of that ?

I for myself made the experience that TV soap operas like Hard Knocks aren't about finding the truth. They are about making money. And money is made by viewing figures. So these shows are based on what people like to see.

When you followed Hard Knocks till the end you should have noticed that Bennett all of a sudden miraculously made a change in the right direction. Do you really think a player that had a specific mindset changes this in just 3-4 weeks ? To me that's far streched. And i think i know a little bit of that because i have some experience in the phsychological area.

IMO this whole story was just set up. Maybe by Hard Knocks or maybe Jerry had also a saying in that. All in all it was just a good story to watch. But there was no real useful information about a player you could find. Put massively exaggerated: you could have looked the new show "Fringe" and you would have had the exact value of information about Bennett and his inner drive.

Also to say that Garett was constantly in his ear can't be verified. That's just what Hard Knocks showed to us. And it wasn't like Hard Knocks showed this for 30mins. There were a fews scenes where he was talking to him. And of yourse he was Bennett is a rookie with alot potential. That's what i expect from a coach. This kid has great value for the franchise he better be coached well. I think the coaches did the same thing with others players they just didn't match the value for Hard Knocks to make a good story of it.

Someone brought up Randy Moss. Anyone remember when he played for Oakland??? Undriven and unmotivated....no production and below average WR. Driven and motivated in New England...success...

You just beat yourself with that argument. First you say drive is something stars must have

that inner drive that CANNOT be taught

. Now Randy Moss was "driven" to success in New England.


So really all together i still don't understand how you could make such a bold statement that he never will be a star. But maybe you can give us some facts later on...

 

[btcutter]

Show me were i said that he will become a star or has inner drive. What i did was question the basis of your argumentation. And till now you didn't answer that.



Of course and yours have no more worth then mine seen from a humanly standpoint. But i think there are opinions people tend to believe because they are backed up with good arguments. Others are getting discarded because there are just no facts that can give basis to them. From that perpective i think there are opinions that have more or less worth to those who read them.

And to me just to say Bennett has no inner drive with no real fact to back that up hasn't really much worth to me.

Also you are right when you say we all form our opinions on what we hear. Some people just verify information a little bit more before they make up their mind. Not everything you hear see or read is always true.



No let's ask something else. I saw a episode of Hard Knocks that showed that. Do you judge his inner drive and talent because of that ?

I for myself made the experience that TV soap operas like Hard Knocks aren't about finding the truth. They are about making money. And money is made by viewing figures. So these shows are based on what people like to see.

When you followed Hard Knocks till the end you should have noticed that Bennett all of a sudden miraculously made a change in the right direction. Do you really think a player that had a specific mindset changes this in just 3-4 weeks ? To me that's far streched. And i think i know a little bit of that because i have some experience in the phsychological area.

IMO this whole story was just set up. Maybe by Hard Knocks or maybe Jerry had also a saying in that. All in all it was just a good story to watch. But there was no real useful information about a player you could find. Put massively exaggerated: you could have looked the new show "Fringe" and you would have had the exact value of information about Bennett and his inner drive.

Also to say that Garett was constantly in his ear can't be verified. That's just what Hard Knocks showed to us. And it wasn't like Hard Knocks showed this for 30mins. There were a fews scenes where he was talking to him. And of yourse he was Bennett is a rookie with alot potential. That's what i expect from a coach. This kid has great value for the franchise he better be coached well. I think the coaches did the same thing with others players they just didn't match the value for Hard Knocks to make a good story of it.



You just beat yourself with that argument. First you say drive is something stars must have . Now Randy Moss was "driven" to success in New England.


So really all together i still don't understand how you could make such a bold statement that he never will be a star. But maybe you can give us some facts later on...

What you are saying is that the same info that's available to us sideline want to be coaches, you for some reason have more information that tell you that Bennett has the motivation to a STAR?

You must have clips of HBO that rest of us are not privy to or was at Cowboy camps to see Bennett to be more driven than rest of us.
I base my opinions on what available to me but you want to read more into what's available because you have inside info???? That everything is a conspiracy?? I think in Hardknock the COACHES actually said IF he can get his head right. The cowboys coach...not you or me. Did you ever heard that about Ray Lewis, Michael Irin, Emmitt??? Hard knocks can make drama but there's always some true behind the smoke.

If you can't understand the Randy Moss comment then I can't help you. It's a very simply example of an incredible talent that can be wasted if one doesn't fully utilize it. Bennett doensn't even possess that class of talent and has not produced to that level even in college.

 

[Jimz31]

Show me were i said that he will become a star or has inner drive. What i did was question the basis of your argumentation. And till now you didn't answer that.



Of course and yours have no more worth then mine seen from a humanly standpoint. But i think there are opinions people tend to believe because they are backed up with good arguments. Others are getting discarded because there are just no facts that can give basis to them. From that perpective i think there are opinions that have more or less worth to those who read them.

And to me just to say Bennett has no inner drive with no real fact to back that up hasn't really much worth to me.

Also you are right when you say we all form our opinions on what we hear. Some people just verify information a little bit more before they make up their mind. Not everything you hear see or read is always true.



No let's ask something else. I saw a episode of Hard Knocks that showed that. Do you judge his inner drive and talent because of that ?

I for myself made the experience that TV soap operas like Hard Knocks aren't about finding the truth. They are about making money. And money is made by viewing figures. So these shows are based on what people like to see.

When you followed Hard Knocks till the end you should have noticed that Bennett all of a sudden miraculously made a change in the right direction. Do you really think a player that had a specific mindset changes this in just 3-4 weeks ? To me that's far streched. And i think i know a little bit of that because i have some experience in the phsychological area.

IMO this whole story was just set up. Maybe by Hard Knocks or maybe Jerry had also a saying in that. All in all it was just a good story to watch. But there was no real useful information about a player you could find. Put massively exaggerated: you could have looked the new show "Fringe" and you would have had the exact value of information about Bennett and his inner drive.

Also to say that Garett was constantly in his ear can't be verified. That's just what Hard Knocks showed to us. And it wasn't like Hard Knocks showed this for 30mins. There were a fews scenes where he was talking to him. And of yourse he was Bennett is a rookie with alot potential. That's what i expect from a coach. This kid has great value for the franchise he better be coached well. I think the coaches did the same thing with others players they just didn't match the value for Hard Knocks to make a good story of it.



You just beat yourself with that argument. First you say drive is something stars must have . Now Randy Moss was "driven" to success in New England.


So really all together i still don't understand how you could make such a bold statement that he never will be a star. But maybe you can give us some facts later on...

All that people can go on is what they have seen. What have we seen on Hard Knocks? We've seen the guy laugh after being told something by the TE coach.....we've seen that he has to sit right next to the TE Coach during meetings.....we've seen it take him longer than it should have to get his helmet on when told. We've seen Jason Witten not exactly give glowing comments about him....about how he's gotta give him "tough love", etc.

We've seen ALOT of things on Hard Knocks that quite frankly, we shouldn't have. He's a rookie who hasn't done a thing in the NFL and honestly is acting, on the show, like it's a given that he "deserves" it.

I'll agree with you that Hard Knocks can make a player look bad, but from what I've seen, they guy shouldn't have even done some of those things.

Same thing with Pacman on Deion's boat.....Deion asked him if he had called the commissioner....what did Pacman say? No. Deion had to tell him that it would be a good idea to call the commissioner to thank him.....that thought hadn't even crossed Jones' mind. Some people are just wired differently. It it were me, I would have probably called to thank him...however, we don't know what has gone on previously behind the scenes between Goodell and Jones.......but you can only go on what you DO see.

Between the ears really concerns me with Bennett....he seems to be a really good player and had seemed to make good strides in PS which probably means that he is listening. Good for him. Hopefully, that is good for us.

 

[jobberone]

All that people can go on is what they have seen. What have we seen on Hard Knocks? We've seen the guy laugh after being told something by the TE coach.....we've seen that he has to sit right next to the TE Coach during meetings.....we've seen it take him longer than it should have to get his helmet on when told. We've seen Jason Witten not exactly give glowing comments about him....about how he's gotta give him "tough love", etc.

We've seen ALOT of things on Hard Knocks that quite frankly, we shouldn't have. He's a rookie who hasn't done a thing in the NFL and honestly is acting, on the show, like it's a given that he "deserves" it.

I'll agree with you that Hard Knocks can make a player look bad, but from what I've seen, they guy shouldn't have even done some of those things.

Same thing with Pacman on Deion's boat.....Deion asked him if he had called the commissioner....what did Pacman say? No. Deion had to tell him that it would be a good idea to call the commissioner to thank him.....that thought hadn't even crossed Jones' mind. Some people are just wired differently. It it were me, I would have probably called to thank him...however, we don't know what has gone on previously behind the scenes between Goodell and Jones.......but you can only go on what you DO see.

Between the ears really concerns me with Bennett....he seems to be a really good player and had seemed to make good strides in PS which probably means that he is listening. Good for him. Hopefully, that is good for us.

Now that's how you argue a position.

I would have to agree with your concerns about his attitude. As fair as you are, I believe there's another side to the equation. Obviously he's done some things to piss off a level headed genuine good guy in Witten. But he's also earned some praise from Witten. Without asking Witten it would appear there is more balance to the equation as I'd suspect you know.

As I stated early in camp this bears watchful waiting. I'll continue to issue praise as long as I see him continue to improve and don't hear he's getting fined or being subjected to negative peer review. I think he'll get it and if not someone will instruct him. He may blow off a TE coach a little esp if he thinks he's being dissed on TV but he'll pay attention to Witten and others.

 

[Eskimo]

Ok, let's turn it around and ask why do you think or have you seen to make Bennett a star in the making??? Physical attributes are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Witten isn't the most physically gifted TE but he's got talent and he works at his craft relentlessly.

We all form our opinions on what we see and hear so mine opinion isn't worth any more than yours.

Let's just ask why do the Cowboys need to assign a single coach to constantly stay in his ears just to get him to learn? Call it what you want but me is lack of discipline and drive.

Someone brought up Randy Moss. Anyone remember when he played for Oakland??? Undriven and unmotivated....no production and below average WR. Driven and motivated in New England...success...

The thing about Bennett are his physical skills are far from a dime a dozen in the NFL. He has a pretty unusual combination of size, speed and blocking ability for a TE. He is potentially something special. The coaching staff and scouts obviously saw something they liked him in and they have had a strong aversion to bringing in troublemakers since Parcells came here.

Anyhow, he is ours now and he appears to be progressing well so maybe we should lay off of him and give him a chance. He arguably looks as good as Witten did as a rookie in his first season in his first game.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I just think Bennett got consistantly better throughout training camp...

 

[jobberone]

I just think Bennett got consistantly better throughout training camp...

I agree.

 

[jobberone]

The thing about Bennett are his physical skills are far from a dime a dozen in the NFL. He has a pretty unusual combination of size, speed and blocking ability for a TE. He is potentially something special. The coaching staff and scouts obviously saw something they liked him in and they have had a strong aversion to bringing in troublemakers since Parcells came here.

Anyhow, he is ours now and he appears to be progressing well so maybe we should lay off of him and give him a chance. He arguably looks as good as Witten did as a rookie in his first season in his first game.

Sorry I missed this. He does have a rare combination of size, speed and agility. I've been very pleasantly surprised and continue to be. I don't even understand how he gets such leverage on blocks being as tall as he is. And that's not even mentioning the other aspects of the game. He's also tough and a competitor. He doesn't appear to like to lose any confrontation.