I love Al Davis

[AKATheRake]

And you were burnt by Mr Davis as well eh.

Don't think anyone needs to be burned by Davis to know never to have a meaningful transaction with him. Most people are into doing win win situations, Al Davis isn't. Too much smoke for there never to be any fire. Davis has gone to the well too many times and has too many incidents. You have a better chance representing Pacman as a choirboy. He only has about a dozen incidents that you could overlook for him. Man, it's a valiant effort and I get your point that people only know him from the media says about him and I'm sure he's done some good things too but you are fighting a hell of an uphill battle when fighting for Davis. Davis' negative track record speaks for itself. Just too add, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion and yah, it's good that peoplecome out and try to settle things. So what did Davis say? Is he going to pay Kiffin?

 

[ilovejerry]

Don't think anyone needs to be burned by Davis to know never to have a meaningful transaction with him. Most people are into doing win win situations, Al Davis isn't. Too much smoke for there never to be any fire. Davis has gone to the well too many times and has too many incidents. You have a better chance representing Pacman as a choirboy. He only has about a dozen incidents that you could overlook for him. Man, it's a valiant effort and I get your point that people only know him from the media says about him and I'm sure he's done some good things too but you are fighting a hell of an uphill battle when fighting for Davis. Davis' negative track record speaks for itself.

Well I understand and can appreciate your comments.but I don't judge a book from its cover. I have had the privilege of speaking to former Raiders and they have spoken well of Al. I cant trust the Media anymore ( case in point look at the crap the sling on this team ) and Yes I'm sure there have been business deals and players who have had problems with him but he owns a storied franchise. and for Cowboy fans to hate the raiders boggles my mind, in the 80s the beat our division rivals in the Superbowl..anyways

 

[rangers71]

Listen if you're now trying to make a different point that other owners have made mistakes and have ruffled feathers fair enough. But firing a coach and honoring that contract and its pay are another thing. Blank never held back the pay. Davis has done this more than once now. Lets see, John Madden who won him his only SB resigned and can't stand him, Shanny, welldoI even have to explain, Gruden who took him to a SB, Norv who can't stand him, Art Shell who used to play for him still can swallow Davis' BS, now Kiffin and I don't even have to go there. Man we're just talking about te coaches he's had. Not even into the players, the other owners, the league, his investors who keep dropping him. There is even more dirt there. The guy is the most hated owner out of the 32. No he's not the only dipstick but he is the most recognized on the ownership level. At yes, for that Al Davis is a legendary coach for at least these last 10 years. Before that go argue with someone else.

Not true. Tom Flores won him a Super Bowl also.

 

[AKATheRake]

Well I understand and can appreciate your comments.but I don't judge a book from its cover. I have had the privilege of speaking to former Raiders and they have spoken well of Al. I cant trust the Media anymore ( case in point look at the crap the sling on this team ) and Yes I'm sure there have been business deals and players who have had problems with him but he owns a storied franchise. and for Cowboy fans to hate the raiders boggles my mind, in the 80s the beat our division rivals in the Superbowl..anyways

Fair enough. Cowboys fans generally hate the Commanders, Eagles or Giants if they hate a team, not the Raiders. Me I don't hate any team in this league, well maybe Philly, but other than that I just don't like any other team other than the Cowboys. But I don't let my bias get in front of my football talk, I am only concerned with the facts in football. Example: Dallas has not won a playoff game in 12 seasons, Dallas went 13-3 last season. These are facts, no use getting emotional and misconstruing them.

 

[AKATheRake]

Not true. Tom Flores won him a Super Bowl also.

Nice so he has 2 rings then with 2 different coaches. Nice, thanks for the knowledge. I stand corrected. Could you tell us which decade and was that the same Flores who coached Detroit years ago?

 

[rangers71]

Wow thanks for being so rude. Anyway to answer your question yes I can tell you. It was in the 80's and he won two super bowls there. He beat the Eagles in 1980 and the Redkins in 1983. No he never coached the Lions. He coached Seattle, and also won a Super Bowl as a player with the Chiefs.

 

[AKATheRake]

Wow thanks for being so rude. Anyway to answer your question yes I can tell you. It was in the 80's and he won two super bowls there. He beat the Eagles in 1980 and the Redkins in 1983. No he never coached the Lions. He coached Seattle, and also won a Super Bowl as a player with the Chiefs.

Thank you for the football knowledge Sir. I apologize if I came off rude after you corrected me but I was actually saying nice in a very positive way and did not mean to be rude in anyway, actually thankful believe it or not. I guess sometimes just words behind a screen can be misinterpreted very easily because they don't show the emotions behind them. Once again, thanks for the football knowledge. So Al Davis has 3 SB championship rings. Guess it's really been his last 15 - 20 years that have given him this bad rap. That's too bad. Very unfortunate.

 

[rangers71]

Thank you for the football knowledge Sir. I apologize if I came off rude after you corrected me but I was actually saying nice in a very positive way and did not mean to be rude in anyway, actually thankful believe it or not. I guess sometimes just words behind a screen can be misinterpreted very easily because they don't show the emotions behind them. Once again, thanks for the football knowledge. So Al Davis has 3 SB championship rings. Guess it's really been his last 15 - 20 years that have given him this bad rap. That's too bad. Very unfortunate.

Apology accepted. Sorry I took it the wrong way. I thought you were being rude. I am sorry I took it the wrong way. Davis used to be a good owner but you are correct the last 15 years or so have been bad.

 

[ilovejerry]

Wow thanks for being so rude. Anyway to answer your question yes I can tell you. It was in the 80's and he won two super bowls there. He beat the Eagles in 1980 and the Redkins in 1983. No he never coached the Lions. He coached Seattle, and also won a Super Bowl as a player with the Chiefs.

I guess alot of Cowboys fans don't remember the 80's or their History that much.That being said Living through the 80s with this team losing those 3 Championships really stung me. But Seeing the Raiders beat the tar out of our division rivals at the time gave me a soft spot for them. And especially there hatred of the Steelers was another winning point. Don't get me wrong I love no other team but the Cowboys, But I can appreciate the Raiders and what the have accomplished in the NFL. You have to at least know your NFL History and not to give AL respect for what he accomplished is just foolish.

 

[gbrittain]

I don't care what Al Davis used to be.

Now he is just an old hack. His team will amount to nothing until he is no longer calling the shots.

I could also care less that the Raiders will remain in shambles for years and years to come.

I hope Al Davis sticks around for many more years to come. Should be a joyous time for him.

What a joke of a man and franchise.

 

[burmafrd]

only a truly moronic raiders homer would deny the people Al Davis has stiffed over the years. Kiffin is just the latest.

 

[AKATheRake]

I guess alot of Cowboys fans don't remember the 80's or their History that much.That being said Living through the 80s with this team losing those 3 Championships really stung me. But Seeing the Raiders beat the tar out of our division rivals at the time gave me a soft spot for them. And especially there hatred of the Steelers was another winning point. Don't get me wrong I love no other team but the Cowboys, But I can appreciate the Raiders and what the have accomplished in the NFL. You have to at least know your NFL History and not to give AL respect for what he accomplished is just foolish.

LOL, you didn't know he had the 3 rings. Don't give me that man. You would have said it. The bottom line is that the SB's weren't even really what we were talking about. Only reason a Superbowl came up was because of Madden winning one for him and resigning. Our discussion was about you saying Jerry Jones and Al Davis were basically the same and I provided many facts that proved differently, mostly ones on Al's handling of his contractual agreements where I do not know of any that Jerry has backed out on. That was the whole jist of our conversation. Now you're going on like you're this great Raiders historian. Man I asked you to explain the last 10 years and you wouldn't, let alone 25 years ago. Ranger was decent enough to come by and enlighten us on some Raiders history and what I missed was how many SB coaches worked for Al in his tenure. Nothing else that I said about his dealings and transactions were disputed. Instead of talking like you knew all of this and that you should be thanking the man for enlightening you on something you were very hollowly and emotionally arguing for. You made statements you couldnt back up. I stand corrected on 2 SB winnin coaches as opposed to 1 but everything else I said about AL Davis were based on facts that I know of and yes most of it is what the media has expressed to us over a decade. Guess he never sued the league and the owners. Guess he is going to honor his commitment with Kiffin after not honoring it with Shanny and getting away with it. He's selling ownership of the Raiders bit by bit, his choice and right but ur talking like the guy will go down with this team till he dies and that him and Jerry are splitting images. I was corrected once in all the valid point I brought up and you have been corrected countless times during this thread. The difference between me and you is I thanked the indivudal who corrected me because he gave me knowledge I wasn't prevy too at the time. You have never acknowledged any facts that you have been approach with by the other bloggers. I'm not going to get intothis anymore. Best of luck my friend.

 

[AKATheRake]

I don't care what Al Davis used to be.

Now he is just an old hack. His team will amount to nothing until he is no longer calling the shots.

I could also care less that the Raiders will remain in shambles for years and years to come.

I hope Al Davis sticks around for many more years to come. Should be a joyous time for him.

What a joke of a man and franchise.

Got my vote.

 

[stealth]

this thread has more paragraphs than the last book I read

 

[AKATheRake]

only a truly moronic raiders homer would deny the people Al Davis has stiffed over the years. Kiffin is just the latest.

He gets mad at Kiffin last year cause Arkansas wanted him, and why not after what he did at USC. Davis requests Kiffin's resignation and Kiffin does not give it and stays loyal to the Raider's. What's he get for that? The good ole can and goe's home wondering where his next paycheck that was already agreed too is going to come from because an ole proven schister pulls an old trick again. Imagine if that happened to us, go home to our families and saying guys, lets see what we got in the savings to put food on the table cause I'm not getting paid next week like I thought. Yah, Al Davis the legend, the guy who has been giving back to this league for years. Just akes me sick. Honor your commitments.

 

[AKATheRake]

Apology accepted. Sorry I took it the wrong way. I thought you were being rude. I am sorry I took it the wrong way. Davis used to be a good owner but you are correct the last 15 years or so have been bad.

Thanks again Sir.

 

[stealth]

He gets mad at Kiffin last year cause Arkansas wanted him, and why not after what he did at USC. Davis requests Kiffin's resignation and Kiffin does not give it and stays loyal to the Raider's. What's he get for that? The good ole can and goe's home wondering where his next paycheck that was already agreed too is going to come from because an ole proven schister pulls an old trick again. Imagine if that happened to us, go home to our families and saying guys, lets see what we got in the savings to put food on the table cause I'm not getting paid next week like I thought. Yah, Al Davis the legend, the guy who has been giving back to this league for years. Just akes me sick. Honor your commitments.

you didn't watch one second of his presser did you?

 

[AKATheRake]

you didn't watch one second of his presser did you?

I asked ILoveJerry for the link. Never provided it. regardless on how Davis set the record straight, which he does once a year he has still pulled many a moves and has schistered a many. Could you please provide me with the link. Or is it just ESPN that has it. I know Mort originally reported but I doubt he cleared it up with an ESPN reporter. Would be greatly appreciated. I hope Al pay Kiffin regardless. I know Al thinks Kiffin was doing things thrugh the media to get canned but a commitment is a commitment and Lane did not resign. Bottom line is, Al very easily can change his mind and make it look like he's always meant to pay Lane.

 

[stealth]

I asked ILoveJerry for the link. Never provided it. regardless on how Davis set the record straight, which he does once a year he has still pulled many a moves and has schistered a many. Could you please provide me with the link. Or is it just ESPN that has it. I know Mort originally reported but I doubt he cleared it up with an ESPN reporter. Would be greatly appreciated. I hope Al pay Kiffin regardless. I know Al thinks Kiffin was doing things thrugh the media to get canned but a commitment is a commitment and Lane did not resign. Bottom line is, Al very easily can change his mind and make it look like he's always meant to pay Lane.

I am sure it is up on nfl networks site by now, I watched it live on TV, sorry I don't have a link.

I don't think Al should pay kiffen, you just don't do the things he did in the public eye. Lane didn't get a fair chance, but he screwed himself on his exit. Publicly throwing the owner and the defensive coordinator under the bus was way out of line for an employee to do.

I don't know what happened with shanahan, I know he didn't get paid but I know no specifics at all.

 

[AKATheRake]

I am sure it is up on nfl networks site by now, I watched it live on TV, sorry I don't have a link.

I don't think Al should pay kiffen, you just don't do the things he did in the public eye. Lane didn't get a fair chance, but he screwed himself on his exit. Publicly throwing the owner and the defensive coordinator under the bus was way out of line for an employee to do.

I don't know what happened with shanahan, I know he didn't get paid but I know no specifics at all.

NP, it is what it is. You're entitled to your opinion as we all are and I respect it. you're not coming on here saying Davis and Jerry are splitting images and that's what me and that guy were going on for a while. Here's a question. Since the NFL merger how many owners other than Al Davis have found a way not to pay 2 different coaches contracts throughout their tenure upon firing those coaches. I don't know of any and would love to know if there are any other proven cases. Al wanted him to resign last year, Kiffin wouldn't so Al kept him anyways till he couldn't mustard having to pay him anymore. If Kiffin was so bad why keep him since last offseason? Al never wanted to have to pay the guy in my opinion and was hoping to make him so miserable he would resign. But Al always comes out once a year and says it's actually the complete opposite on all his annual fiascals. I'm not even going to look for it. You signed a written contract, pay the man. Regardless, what other coach is that's not on the team already and has other options will take the Raiders gig? The guys a stiff.