I refuse to believe we don't have talent

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LatinMind said:
Really liked your post.

And i think you can look at the draft profiles of 2 of the players Dallas depends on to find somewhat of a answer. You brought up a good point about these avg QBs marching their teams up and down the field. Then look at who Dallas depends on.

Dez Bryant, all the talent in the world. And quite possibly the most fierce WR in the NFL, when he has the ball. When he doesnt what does dallas have? A guy who doesnt run his routes full stride. Or wont even run a route but just jog when the ball is snapped and walk back to the huddle.

Dez's draft profile:
WEAKNESSES
There are some questions surrounding Bryant’s maturity level. Does not always show a high level of effort away from the ball. Was able to get open with pure athleticism in college but needs to run more precise routes at the next level.

What you read there, isnt that basically what you see when Dez doesnt get thrown the ball? Dont we see that all too much with him?

TW, has decent chemistry with Romo but drops too many easy passes, and disappears to idk where alot of the time. Sometimes you forget he's on the field.

TW draft profile
WEAKNESSES
Pure outside receiver. Does not run a variety routes in Baylor’s offense. Routes are not always completed if he is not primary target. Inconsistent making his man miss after the catch, has some short-area quickness but better tacklers wraps up his long legs quickly. Tracks the ball well, but lets it get into his body and isn’t a natural hands catcher.

Dallas put its hopes on two lazy, me first players. Love both of them and what they do, but too bad if the ball isnt going to them they put themselves before the goal of the team.

You dont see this problem with guys like Witten and Beasley. Why? Because they go 100% all the time, they know what theyre doing, they dont run lazy routes. They know where the holes are. IM sorry but Dez i dont think he knows most of the playbook. They guy doesnt know where to be on a hot route or blitz. He runs bad routes.

Hope this answers some of your post.
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I think like most time s the talent on this team is being overstated also the coaching is pee wee league this staff is awful. For me I would of never given in to dez Bryant demands he is a head case and not worth near what he is being paid.
 
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DandyDon1722 said:
Hard to argue any of that.

For some reason we just seem mediocre, not horrible but just bad enough. We have flashes but inconsistency has doomed us even in areas of supposed strength like offensive line. I don't ever remember Larry Allen having a day like Tyron had against Philly - but he'll come back and be dominant the next game.

For me, outside of Byron Jones the whole season has had nothing positive to hang our hats on. Who has really emerged like Martin did last year? Maybe Gregory until the ankle injury but certainly not Lawrence or Hardy or even Hitchens. Mo has gotten back to being serviceable.
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Before the injury, Dunbar was really playing well. Could have easily been our version of Sproles, Dion Lewis, Danny Woodhead, etc.

Dunbar was easily my favorite player this season until his unfortunate injury...
 
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RXP said:
I don't think the Cowboys have nearly as much talent as most around here think they have. Fans routinely over rate their teams talent.
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Unfortunately, that's been the narrative since like 2007 - how "talented" this team is/was without providing any significant results.
 
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tomsanders921 said:
It's amazing that Parcells was able to take an awful team with quincy Carter at qb to a 10-6 record. Imagine what he would do with this team the last couple years
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He doesn't have the defensive talent that he had on that 2003 team. But I understand your point...
 
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there's as much talent on this team as most really good teams, the problem is the coaching..... the scheme's and philosophy are out dated and does not put the players talent to its best use.
 
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CATCH17 said:
Sadly, last years success may have set us back years and might've ended any chance of a real coach here in Dallas.

I'm so sick of the Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett types.
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That is all JJ loves. He love his puppets.
 
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HappyOnions said:
Before the injury, Dunbar was really playing well. Could have easily been our version of Sproles, Dion Lewis, Danny Woodhead, etc.

Dunbar was easily my favorite player this season until his unfortunate injury...
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Loved the wheel routes to him. In training camp many thought he was the man out as dmac could do everything he could and more.....and yet not one wheel route against a lb since.....
 
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It's sickening to me to watch games today and see how easily teams do things. It pains me to watch QB's like Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrck, Bryan Hoyer, Teddy Bridgewater, Derric Carr, Cousins, Dalton, Winston, etc.move their teams up and down the field, get WR's in space, move their star wide outs around the formations, and put their teams in positions to win. Even if they don't score , it's not hard and painful to watch. There isn't a constant struggle to pitch and catch, or a one sided barrage of 2 yard out routes. TE's catch the ball in the seam up the field, and because of the spreading out defensive backs and LB's having to keep that in mind, the play calling isn't completely predicable. The running backs can run against 5 or 6 man boxes instead 7-9 man boxes because they don't have a bead on the upcoming play. I believe most of these teams have some pretty creative route trees, or their WR's are do a very good job of creating space. I don't see All Pro names like Smith, Frederick, Martin, Witten, Bryant, or Romo.. You know, the "top of the line on paper, 1st-3rd round top tier guys. But I don't see the high pressure, nervous struggles either.

On the other side of the ball, Hardy, Lee, McClain, Gregroy, Crawford, Jones, Hitchens, Carr, Claiborne, Ok, not as much talent, but most certainly enough to be considered middle of the pack, a 15-17 rank defense at worst. The problem??? The constant desire by a tired, "old school", scheme to try to get it done with rushing 4 guys straight up the field 90% of the time. Again, as I watch all the games this morning it reinforces my thought that with the current way the NFL plays offense, you can't win on defense with this old mentality. Teams pass the ball now on 1-2-3 step drops. Then add, the complexity of the routes most teams use, if you give a decent QB 4-5-9 seconds to the throw the ball, you are TOAST. It's not only the refusal to blitz that hurts us. We stunt less than any team that plays football. I mean football, just not the NFL. I watch more complex defenses on Friday nights. There is no excuse to run this vanilla of a defense. It puts you behind, befeore the game begins. OC's know that after a few long drives, or quick outs by the offense, the front four on this DL will begin to tire, and they will be able to do whatever they want. Late in the game, forget about it.


The division leader in the NFCE has 5 wins. That's laughable. But, with the talent we have, it is INEXCUSABLE that we only have 3 wins. Someone has to take the blame and heads must roll. We won't get what a reputable franchise deserves. A true leader that brings in a top notch supporting cast. But at the very least, we need to see changes!!!
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Agreed. with a few minor changes, and quitting the run on 1st down EVERY damn time, we can get on a winning streak... anything can happen once in the playoffs. We are closer than most realize.
 
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Dave_in-NC said:
Quincy freaking Carter my man.
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Haha, yeah Quincy Carter...

But also, Darren Woodson, Dexter Coakley, Dat Nguyen, La'Roi Glover, Greg Ellis, Roy Williams, Terrance Newman, etc.

To be honest, Quincy had a decent group of guys to throw to: Rookie Witten, Terry Glenn, Antonio Bryant, Joey Galloway...

That team wasn't as bad as people would like to think, despite Quincy at QB.
 
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There's plenty of talent on this team, imagine if the coaches knew how to maximize it. Dez should not be out on an island all game long. He should be all over that LOS running tons of shallow routes, corner routes from the slot, etc.With Dez and Bease in the slot, it could be a nightmare for teams. TWill is a slant guy, a deep post guy, shallow slant guy, but not an out route guy, a straight-line bomb guy. Witten should not always be in the slot, he could motion wide, and same with Escobar. If I EVER see guys like Beasley or Dez in one-on-one coverage, my audible is to either of those players.

On defense, you can walk the line with guys, and no one knows who's coming. Confuse teams, don't just barrel ahead and try to get the QB with 4 when all game long you couldn't do it. There's just nothing special or innovative about our offense and defense. Things like, show man, then morph into a zone. It's a chess match, and we suck at chess.
 
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