I think our defensive personnel fit the 4-3 better than the 3-4.

[superpunk]

Gregg ellis would disagree with you. He was on with mike doocy sunday night and said this team cant go to a 43 because it would need alot of change and would take more than a year...

so ellis thinks we cant...

time will tell

Yeah - and he'll never be able to play LB in a 3-4 either!

Wait....

LOL, Greg Ellis is the last person I'd ask about anything the team can or can't do.

 

[AtlCB]

I think the 3-4 is a far superior defense to the 4-3 and I hope that we dont get away from it but its lookin like we are.

The 3-4 is superior if you have the right personnel and the scheme is run correctly. If the Cowboys want to keep the 3-4, then we should bring in Wade Phillips or Rex Ryan to coach the team. If these two coaches are not an option, the team needs to look at switching back to the 4-3.

The Cowboys still need ILB's and a LOLB to run the 3-4. I'm not convince that Ellis will return 100% next season and the jury is still out on Carpenter.

The biggest problem with running the 3-4 is that the Cowboys simply do not have enough pass rushers.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In my mind, the Middle Linebacker position is the most important position in the 4-3.... and... that would be the biggest question mark for us if we go to the 4-3.

Do you really trust Bradie James to be able to play sideline to sideline or cover the entire middle of the field himself on passing plays?

I think Ayodele or Carpenter could play MLB in a 43. James scrapes better then he covers IMO but to me, I could see Carpenter as the Sam, Ayodele as the Mike and Burnett or Singleton as the Will. James could be depth at MLB if he can't prove that he has the foot speed to play sideline to sideline and Fowler and Glymph are depth inside and outside respectively.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The scheme that we ran under Zimmer before the switch put the NT directly over the center. Tampa ran the same scheme when they went to the superbowl.

That's fine but that's not a standard 43 DT alignment. I don't recall much Zero being played but if you say that's how it was, that's OK with me.

 

[theogt]

Yeah - and he'll never be able to play LB in a 3-4 either!

Wait....

LOL, Greg Ellis is the last person I'd ask about anything the team can or can't do.

There is that, but it's interesting that Greg, an unabashed supporter of the 4-3, is hesistant about our ability to switch back.

I would have thought he would have been all for it.

 

[superpunk]

There is that, but it's interesting that Greg, an unabashed supporter of the 4-3, is hesistant about our ability to switch back.

I would have thought he would have been all for it.

Maybe Greg just fears any change at all.

I think we can play a 4-3, but it's gotta be the right kind. If Greg's talking about the same cover-two we've run here for years, then I agree with him. If he's talking about Baltimore or Philly, I disagree.

 

[blindzebra]

DEs: Ware, Canty, Hatcher, Coleman, Ellis

DTs: Ferguson, Spears, Ratliff, Stanley

SLB: Ayodele, Singleton

MLB: Carpenter, Fowler

WLB: Burnett, James


Nickel with Ellis:

LDE-Ellis, DT-Hatcher, DT-Ratliff, RDE Ware

Burnett and Carpenter at LB

Nickel W/O Ellis:

LDE-Hatcher, DT-Ratliff, DT-Canty, RDE Ware

Burnett and Carpenter

 

[zrinkill]

DEs: Ware, Canty, Hatcher, Coleman, Ellis

DTs: Ferguson, Spears, Ratliff, Stanley

SLB: Ayodele, Singleton

MLB: Carpenter, Fowler

WLB: Burnett, James


Nickel with Ellis:

LDE-Ellis, DT-Hatcher, DT-Ratliff, RDE Ware

Burnett and Carpenter at LB

Nickel W/O Ellis:

LDE-Hatcher, DT-Ratliff, DT-Canty, RDE Ware

Burnett and Carpenter

Looks good to me

 

[Kobal]

#1 You want to see one of, maybe the best 3-4 LBs (Ware) turn into a 1-dimensional player like that juice head in SD?

Hell no.

I think with better coaching you can move him around and he'll be a great playmaker on defense. Just don't put him cover WR down field. :bang2:

 

[smarta5150]

Hell no.

I think with better coaching you can move him around and he'll be a great playmaker on defense. Just don't put him cover WR down field. :bang2:

Thanks for answering even though you are on my side.

Everyone else who wants to go 4-3 obviously doesnt care if we use Ware as a 1-dimensional player.

Its a waste of talent.

 

[superpunk]

Thanks for answering even though you are on my side.

Everyone else who wants to go 4-3 obviously doesnt care if we use Ware as a 1-dimensional player.

Its a waste of talent.

Absolutely. You've got a guy, on the verge of being truly special, and you want to move him to a position where he's just a guy? Granted, in the 4-3, you could play him like Taylor - who basically picks his spots in the Dolphins defense. They were interesting to watch, because Taylor acted almost like their QB. If he didn't like the DL matchup, or his matchup, he would swap with the opposing DE. They ran him in coverage, showing him blitzing as an extra rusher and then backing off, he was all over the field. If we could play Ware like that, that would be something.

I like him too much as a LB, though.

But....but.....sacks! How dare you have your best pass rusher do anything more than rush the passer? I say - because he can.

 

[sonnyboy]

I dont like this talk about going back to the 4-3 at all.

A couple questions for those ho do:

#1 You want to see one of, maybe the best 3-4 LBs (Ware) turn into a 1-dimensional player like that juice head in SD?

#2 Who is going to play MLB... Bradie James? I feel real comfortable with him

I want both. I like changing things up play to play series to series.

I really believe we got the personel for it.

What intrigues me most is the idea of rotating 12-14 guys in and out.
Could make for some fresh 4Q legs.

Ware can play all over. 4-3RDE, 3-4ROLB, 4-3WLB and SLB.

Canty can play 3-4DE, 4-3LDE, I also like him at DT in the nickle.

Carpenter showed me something late. I can see him at any LB position in either a 3-4 or 4-3. I think he'd settle in at SLB in both fronts. Also like him at LDE in the nickle.

I know it's not popular here, but I like Roy at WLB in the 4-3 and LB in the nickle.

Regardless of which front we play, we need a quality back up to Ferguson.
He's the only NT, two gap fireplug type guy we have.
He was great last year but he's 33 now.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The 3-4 is superior if you have the right personnel and the scheme is run correctly.

Well, we definitely don't have the personal for a 4-3 defense now. Our DE are 300lbs! Ellis' career is most likely over. That leaves us Ware and thats it! On top of that, Ware is small for a DE at 255lbs. It leaves us with a boat load of 300lbs 4-3 tackles. (Spears, Canty, Hatcher, Ferguson, Coleman, Ratliff, and Bowmen)

 

[YosemiteSam]

Canty can play 3-4DE, 4-3LDE, I also like him at DT in the nickle.

He is to large for 4-3 DE at 300lbs. He would have trouble protecting the flat and he never played 3-4 DE very well in the first place!

 

[blindzebra]

Thanks for answering even though you are on my side.

Everyone else who wants to go 4-3 obviously doesnt care if we use Ware as a 1-dimensional player.

Its a waste of talent.

In the 3-4 he rushes the passer.

In the 4-3 he'd rush the passer.

In the 3-4 he'd play the run.

In the 4-3 he'd play the run.

In the 3-4 teams would scheme to force him to cover and this would give their QB tons of time or leave the flat wide open if Ware rushed anyway.

In the 4-3 they can't do that, and if we want to mix things up and drop him into coverage, there is this thing called a zone blitz.

 

[eduncan22]

Do some of the 4-3 guys want to hang on to the past?

I hated it when we dropped the Flex in '89. [up to that point, it was all we ever knew]

I didn't like the 3-4 switch, but I can see that its going to work.

Ware is an awesome player [remember the Vick INT return vs. Atlanta?] and I don't see the Cowboys moving him to DE full-time.

If the team can fix the huge holes in the secondary [Henry and Glenn], I think this Defense will rock.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah - and he'll never be able to play LB in a 3-4 either!

Wait....

LOL, Greg Ellis is the last person I'd ask about anything the team can or can't do.

LOL!

I agree with the head trauma person.

 

[blindzebra]

Do some of the 4-3 guys want to hang on to the past?

I hated it when we dropped the Flex in '89. [up to that point, it was all we ever knew]

I didn't like the 3-4 switch, but I can see that its going to work.

Ware is an awesome player [remember the Vick INT return vs. Atlanta?] and I don't see the Cowboys moving him to DE full-time.

If the team can fix the huge holes in the secondary [Henry and Glenn], I think this Defense will rock.

It's not about the past, it's about using the players we have correctly and getting the largest amount of talent on the field at the same time.

We have a better shot of getting pressure with our big guys up front, than we do with our LBs. Hatcher and Ratliff have shown the ability to get after the QB, we don't have an inside LB that can, and in the 3-4 you can't just have 1 outside guy or the other rush and get there, you need to have that inside threat.

 

[Kobal]

I think we can run both. We can put Ware at DE or LB and still be effective. I like what Fins did with Taylor and Iggles did with Kearse. Move him around let the QB guess what he'll do. The key is don't run the predictable defense. IMO

 

[smarta5150]

In the 3-4 he rushes the passer.

In the 4-3 he'd rush the passer.

In the 3-4 he'd play the run.

In the 4-3 he'd play the run.

In the 3-4 teams would scheme to force him to cover and this would give their QB tons of time or leave the flat wide open if Ware rushed anyway.

In the 4-3 they can't do that, and if we want to mix things up and drop him into coverage, there is this thing called a zone blitz.

Do you really think we will get that much more pressure playing a 4-3?

The Bears had a whopping 6 more sacks than us all year.