I think our defensive personnel fit the 4-3 better than the 3-4.

[TEK2000]

In the 3-4 he rushes the passer.

In the 4-3 he'd rush the passer.

In the 3-4 he'd play the run.

In the 4-3 he'd play the run.

In the 3-4 teams would scheme to force him to cover and this would give their QB tons of time or leave the flat wide open if Ware rushed anyway.

In the 4-3 they can't do that, and if we want to mix things up and drop him into coverage, there is this thing called a zone blitz.

It is possible for a defense to scheme to get the matchups WE want instead of sitting there in our most basic defense and ACCEPTING the matchups that are forced on us by the offense.

 

[blindzebra]

Do you really think we will get that much more pressure playing a 4-3?

The Bears had a whopping 6 more sacks than us all year.

And they had 44 takeaways too...there is a hell of a lot more to pressure than sack totals.

We also had a huge chunk of our sacks when Ellis and Ware had a hand on the ground in a 4 man line in our 4-2-5.

The fact is for our 3-4 to work we need more disruption from the 3 man line, Ferguson, Spears and Canty rarely collapsed the pocket, and we need a huge upgrade inside.

If we try to fill that void inside by moving Carpenter over, we then leave an equally big hole at OLB.

I feel that with Ware, Ferguson, Hatcher, Ratliff, Spears, Canty and hopefully Ellis we can get more constant pressure up front, while not having to address LB because Ayodele, Carpenter and Burnett look like a very solid unit.

 

[blindzebra]

It is possible for a defense to scheme to get the matchups WE want instead of sitting there in our most basic defense and ACCEPTING the matchups that are forced on us by the offense.

And that matters how, to the point that he won't be anymore one dimesional as a DE?

We will still be forced to move him, or leave something open if we are in a base 3-4 and they spread it out to 3 or 4 wide.

 

[TEK2000]

And they had 44 takeaways too...there is a hell of a lot more to pressure than sack totals.

We also had a huge chunk of our sacks when Ellis and Ware had a hand on the ground in a 4 man line in our 4-2-5.

The fact is for our 3-4 to work we need more disruption from the 3 man line, Ferguson, Spears and Canty rarely collapsed the pocket, and we need a huge upgrade inside.

If we try to fill that void inside by moving Carpenter over, we then leave an equally big hole at OLB.

I feel that with Ware, Ferguson, Hatcher, Ratliff, Spears, Canty and hopefully Ellis we can get more constant pressure up front, while not having to address LB because Ayodele, Carpenter and Burnett look like a very solid unit.

Who plays MLB in the 4-3?

 

[smarta5150]

Assuming Ellis is gonna be 100% of what he was at DE or OLB is a HUGE assumption.

With his age and that injury it will not be an easy thing to overcome.

If we move Carp inside, which is what I want, to replace Carp then we can draft a guy like Jarvis Moss which will fill in that void out OLB (or Burnett can step up).

Going back to the 4-3 is just too speculative right now as far as who can play what.

We would have Bradie James as the MLB, Ware being 1-dimensioanl (if not used like Taylor), a void at the other end (unless you assume Ellis will be fine), and our DTs who would have to play the 4-3 have all been playing DE in a 3-4 scheme for the past 4 years.

These are way too many IFs for my liking.

 

[TEK2000]

And that matters how, to the point that he won't be anymore one dimesional as a DE?

We will still be forced to move him, or leave something open if we are in a base 3-4 and they spread it out to 3 or 4 wide.

What exactly is wrong with moving him? The games we moved him around were some of his most disruptive games of the season... Washington game 1 and Indy for example.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who plays MLB in the 4-3?

Posted that answer earlier.

 

[smarta5150]

What exactly is wrong with moving him? The games we moved him around were some of his most disruptive games of the season... Washington game 1 and Indy for example.

When we finally moved him to the opposite side against the Eagles on Christmas Day he had a Sack+FF on the play.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

regardless of the Ellis debate, I've always felt that we had the talent to switch between a 3-4 and a 4-3. I do believe that Ferguson is too large to be effective in the 4-3...

Ferguson played a 43 in NY and he played it well. He was actually more effective in a 43 then he was in a 34. I don't know why you would think that he would be too large to play 1 Technique in a 43. He's not that big. He's only like 6'3 320 or so. That's relatively small for a 1 Tech DT.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The 3-4 is superior if you have the right personnel and the scheme is run correctly. If the Cowboys want to keep the 3-4, then we should bring in Wade Phillips or Rex Ryan to coach the team. If these two coaches are not an option, the team needs to look at switching back to the 4-3.

The Cowboys still need ILB's and a LOLB to run the 3-4. I'm not convince that Ellis will return 100% next season and the jury is still out on Carpenter.

The biggest problem with running the 3-4 is that the Cowboys simply do not have enough pass rushers.

What evidence would you have to support a 3-4 as superior to a 4-3?

 

[TEK2000]

Posted that answer earlier.

guess I missed that post 3 pages ago.

I see where he has Carp and Fowler playing MLB and James playing OLB.

The most important position in the 4-3 and we leave it to a Sophomore OLB and Fowler (who I like but not sure he's fulltime starter material) and have the most uncoordinated looking player on our team playing OLB.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Moving back to the 4-3 will be a disaster. To me you need team speed (especially linebackers) in order to run a 4-3 well...and the personnel on this team is built on size and strength.
If they want to mix in some four man fronts fine...but full-time will set this defense back another three years.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

guess I missed that post 3 pages ago.

I see where he has Carp and Fowler playing MLB and James playing OLB.

The most important position in the 4-3 and we leave it to a Sophomore OLB and Fowler (who I like but not sure he's fulltime starter material) and have the most uncoordinated looking player on our team playing OLB.

This is the answer I was talking about.

I think Ayodele or Carpenter could play MLB in a 43. James scrapes better then he covers IMO but to me, I could see Carpenter as the Sam, Ayodele as the Mike and Burnett or Singleton as the Will. James could be depth at MLB if he can't prove that he has the foot speed to play sideline to sideline and Fowler and Glymph are depth inside and outside respectively.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Moving back to the 4-3 will be a disaster. To me you need team speed (especially linebackers) in order to run a 4-3 well...and the personnel on this team is built on size and strength.
If they want to mix in some four man fronts fine...but full-time will set this defense back another three years.

Carpenter, Ayodele, Singleton and Burnett all have OK speed. I think we could be OK at LB regardless IMO. I mean, it's not like you don't need speed at LB in a 34.

 

[smarta5150]

Cato June and Lance Briggs are FA.

Just throwing it out there for you 43 lovers

 

[Rack]

Ellis is a better 4-3 DE than 3-4 OLB? By what measure? He was on pace to set a personal sack record at 3-4 OLB and that is with the added duties of coverage, etc.

No, he wasn't. He played 7 games and had 4.5 sacks.


Plus, Ellis is infamous for being "on pace" to get X number of sacks only to fade at the end of the season.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Cato June and Lance Briggs are FA.

Just throwing it out there for you 43 lovers

Chicago has said that Briggs will be tagged if they can't sign him. Bill Polian was on Mike and Mike this morning and he too said that if a contract could not be worked out with June, he would be tagged.

 

[Rack]

Cato June and Lance Briggs are FA.

Just throwing it out there for you 43 lovers

We've got LBs on the team already. Going to a 4-3 means we need one LESS LB, not one MORE LB.

Burnett, Carp, Ayodele would likely be the starters in a 4-3.

 

[smarta5150]

Chicago has said that Briggs will be tagged if they can't sign him. Bill Polian was on Mike and Mike this morning and he too said that if a contract could not be worked out with June, he would be tagged.

Way to wash away their hopes

3-4 it is guys otherwise we will see our defense regress.

 

[smarta5150]

We've got LBs on the team already. Going to a 4-3 means we need one LESS LB, not one MORE LB.

Burnett, Carp, Ayodele would likely be the starters in a 4-3.

Hey man I am 100% against the 4-3.

I have been arguing this for 2 pages now.

Was just throwing some 43 names out there for those who wanna go back in time and throw away another 4 years.