I think this team is in worse shape than we think

CCBoy

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I hope that Jason's latest revelation on the role of showing up to enter the carpet come game day, elevates the bottom 3rd of next season. Not just cheaper changes.
 

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Weeden's and Cassel's shortcomings should have been huge red flags.. the fact that they were either not discovered or looked over from the scout level to the head coach / GM level gives me serious pause as to the competency of all involved

I think that was more of a Garrett thing with Weeden..

As soon as Romo went down the Cowboys sprinted to get Cassell.



Also, just because Cassell was bad here doesn't mean it wasn't a good move. Any team not coached by Jason Garrett could do better than we did with Cassell.
 

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I think that the obvious thing is Romo not playing and not having a capable back up certainly mattered. I'm not a fan of this play book at all. I think that is a big problem with this team. When you look at other teams and the various formations used and routes run, it makes you wonder what we are doing here. Someone else also posted that Dallas gives up the least QB pressures. So it would then speak to our route concepts which aren't very good. Years ago I would scratch my head and wonder why we never attack the middle of the field with slants, crossing routes. Especially with Dez. We don't do that. Why I have no clue.

If you look back at the 3 - 8-8 years, I'm pretty sure we were very poor with getting turnovers. Last year we were one of the best. The Patriots have been one of the best with getting turnovers and that certainly helps get the ball to Brady more often. How do you fix that? I have no idea. I'm sure they emphasize it, but it wasn't our year. I don't think I have ever seen a season of so many close calls with turnovers. How many reviews showed us missing a turnover by inches. That was so frustrating. Every time we got one I knew the replay would show otherwise. So frustrating.

We can be a great team, but the offense needs a makeover. I doubt that happens. So unless Romo makes it through the whole year we can expect more of the same. I'm just mad that Dallas wasted his career. This guy should have won multiple Super Bowls already.
 

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I don't agree that there's plenty of talent. What position group is solid besides the oline?
Now tony is constantly one hit away from ir and Jason looks old and.slow.
We're closer to a 4-12 team than 12-4 in my mind.
 

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I agree about Witten. At this point in his career he should transition to a blocking TE that only runs the short to intermediate routes. He can have another great 3-4 years in that role.

But you really think our special teams have been horrible this year?

That Tyrone has been a huge disappointment? That Lawrence is still a question mark?

Special teams has been pretty bad. Aside from 1 or 2 whitehead runs, we rarely start with good field position. And they keep trotting out Beasley, even though he's worthless.

Tyrone definitely has not lived up to his contract, imo.
Lawrence looks like he's good to go.
 

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with tony's age and his injury history with there ability to only win 4 games when he is out I think that is a real sign of the talent level on this team I don't think it is near a good as most want to believe. I think they are closer to the browns than the cardinals I also think the coaching staff is just not very good. I hope there is some change there need to really change them all but its not going to happen. with the leaders of this band I don't think next year will be much better I hope but I don't believe so.
 

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I don't agree that there's plenty of talent. What position group is solid besides the oline?
Now tony is constantly one hit away from ir and Jason looks old and.slow.
We're closer to a 4-12 team than 12-4 in my mind.

Our kicker just made the probowl. Our punter had been very good all year. Coverage teams only gave up one return for a TD all year. And yes, Beasley was mediocre but Lucky had had some good returns now that we trust him. Returns could be better for sure but special teams have been far from terrible.
 

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If you guys are waiting for this team to field a pro bowler at every position, that day will never come. Look at the Panthers....what play makers do they have on offense that warrants a 14-0 record? Newton,Stewart, Ginn, Brown and Olsen?? I could argue with a healthy Romo, McFaddden, Dez, TWill and Witten we are better than them.

The main trouble here is has always been the GM and the puppet coaches that are brought in.
 

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The BIG difference between CyberBob and you is, while I disagree with some of CyberBob's opinions regarding the Cowboy's roster, he at least attempts to discuss topics about how the Cowboys can improve going forward. You, on the other hand, just want to rant and whine every single time you post. IMO, you come across as a non Cowboy's fan on here, just spamming this forum with your constant negative posting.

I dont know how old you are, but Ive been a Cowboys fan for 40+ years. Watched every Super Bowl except for the one against the Colts, and went to Super Bowl's 27 & 30. Been to numerous regular season games as well from Detroit to Dallas to Miami and in between. Not that I really need to try to prove my fanhood to you or anybody else, but Im a fan nevertheless. So if it makes you feel better to question it carry on.

Now, as far as posting does anybody really care what my thots on the roster are? Draft? Scheme? Training methods? Etc? Will what I post have any effect on anything that happens with this team? Will what I post change anything? Would it even change anybody's mind about anything? If I posted about Witten being a good enough TE for this team and not one of our problems, would it change the minds of anybody that thinks he's past his prime, clogging up the roster and preventing the younger guys from stepping up?

Or should I be calling Jerry a great owner? Should I be talking about how well respected Jason Garrett is around the league and still pumping the s u n freakin s h i n e after a 5 yr run of mediocrity?

I would suggest that if negative posting about the Cowboys bothers you then you might be happier not reading a fan forum or following a team that has had a 20 yr run of glorified mediocrity and a team that has given far more joy to the fans of other teams that hate us than it has provided for its own fans.

This coming Sunday I will watch and expect to win the game like I do every week. Not once, in 40+ yrs have I ever expected to lose a game, not even in the Campo era. But for 20 yrs now about all I can do is be happy for the history and just like Troy, I can dwell in the past because the present is best dealt with being able to laugh about.

Thanks for your positive contributions here and have a Merry Christmas.
 

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If you guys are waiting for this team to field a pro bowler at every position, that day will never come. Look at the Panthers....what play makers do they have on offense that warrants a 14-0 record? Newton,Stewart, Ginn, Brown and Olsen?? I could argue with a healthy Romo, McFaddden, Dez, TWill and Witten we are better than them.

The main trouble here is has always been the GM and the puppet coaches that are brought in.

Panthers have NFL-best 10 players selected for Pro Bowl

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...st-10-players-selected-for-pro-bowl/77783654/
 

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I think we can see from the example of Ted Ginn, T. Williams, Wes Welker and Danny Amendola is that great quarterbacking makes average skilled, average talent wide receivers better.

Ted Ginn was hardly a weapon in his previous stints with Miami and San Francisco. Cam makes him a dangerous weapon with multiple touchdown in consecutive games.

T. Williams disappears until Romo is behind center.

We don't need to invest in wide receivers high in the draft. We do need to get a talented quarterback high in the draft and groom him to take over for Romo.

With a better quarterback, our receivers will get better.
 

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Nothing wrong with pointing out needs and Bob pretty much layed it out but I don't get all the doom and gloom. The trickle down effect losing your quarterback in which the entire offense is tailored came to fruition this season and it swept us into oblivion. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have been able to win some games but it happened.

I think two positions change the entire complexion of the team.

A solid second receiver like Ashlon Jeffrey and a solid free safety like Eric Berry. This sends Jones to strong safety and takes a lot of pressure off Dez, both of those moves makes an immediate impact on both sides of the ball. We'll be better.

The turnover ratio is just ridicules. Part of it is players not making plays when the opportunity presented itself and part of it is pure dumb luck. If I was a betting man (I am) I'm betting the house - we'll be better.

We will be getting some impact player from the draft this year which means players who are better and younger than the players currently on the field. We'll be better.

Finally let's not buy into the false narrative of Romo being hurt all the time. He's played 15, 15, 16, 16 & 4 games, the same number as Roesthlisberger in the same amount of time. Again, I'd rather have it be a clavicle than a knee or back. Look around the league, it's getting hard to have your quarterback play every game. The key is to get him back by the end of the year. He'll be better.

If you don't think we will be will be favored to win the East next year then you are either really underestimating the current talent level or are emotionally spent from a disastrous year which I understand.

Nobody scares me next year with Romo on the field.

Nobody.
 

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Nothing wrong with pointing out needs and Bob pretty much layed it out but I don't get all the doom and gloom. The trickle down effect losing your quarterback in which the entire offense is tailored came to fruition this season and it swept us into oblivion. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have been able to win some games but it happened.

I think two positions change the entire complexion of the team.

A solid second receiver like Ashlon Jeffrey and a solid free safety like Eric Berry. This sends Jones to strong safety and takes a lot of pressure off Dez, both of those moves makes an immediate impact on both sides of the ball. We'll be better.

The turnover ratio is just ridicules. Part of it is players not making plays when the opportunity presented itself and part of it is pure dumb luck. If I was a betting man (I am) I'm betting the house - we'll be better.

We will be getting some impact player from the draft this year which means players who are better and younger than the players currently on the field. We'll be better.

Finally let's not buy into the false narrative of Romo being hurt all the time. He's played 15, 15, 16, 16 & 4 games, the same number as Roesthlisberger in the same amount of time. Again, I'd rather have it be a clavicle than a knee or back. Look around the league, it's getting hard to have your quarterback play every game. The key is to get him back by the end of the year. He'll be better.

If you don't think we will be will be favored to win the East next year then you are either really underestimating the current talent level or are emotionally spent from a disastrous year which I understand.

Nobody scares me next year with Romo on the field.

Nobody.

Its amazing really how a few things here and there going your way can produce such drastic & different results. This team could be really really good next year, but at the same time could be a mess again. I think the chances of being good are far better, but the inability of this coaching staff this year to help this team overcome enough to win a few games w/o its starting QB is something that doesnt excite me.
 

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Those are fair but the same staff was aces in those areas last year. Player Dev wise it has been mixed IMHO.
Lucky/Beas/Collins/Hitchens/BJ all look like great young guys.
Others have not developed it seems. But often they have the same coaches....
Sometimes you just need better players:)

I say scheme, because it was all Romo; with him gone, we were limited, inflexible, and predictable.

Should been able to adjust, adapt, and advance.
 

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The problem with comparing Tony's injuries to a more mobile qb like rottenburger is you have to hold your breath EVERY time Tony gets hit. Something breaks every time now. He might only miss one game with a broken rib but then he's limited for weeks. We need to groom a couple of young qb's, not projects, baseball players, washed vets, etc.
 
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