I watched Darren Woodson for 12 yrs. Roy, you're no Darren Woodson...

[Zman5]

Woodson must have made no plays then because Roy hasn't made any since his rookie year.

Oh I wouldn't quiet say that. He did break TO's leg last year. :laugh1:

 

[Zman5]

Here are their 16-game averages (NOT including Woodson's first year, when he was just a backup) --

INTERCEPTIONS
Williams 2.77, Woodson 2.27

SACKS
Williams 1.69, Woodson 1.09

TACKLES FOR LOSS
Williams 5.54, Woodson 4.74

QB PRESSURES
Williams 5.23, Woodson 3.65

PASSES DEFENDED
Woodson 8.99, Williams 8.62

FORCED FUMBLES
Williams 2.77, Woodson 1.48

FUMBLES RECOVERED
Williams 1.23, Woodson 0.99

TOUCHDOWNS SCORED
Williams 0.62, Woodson 0.20

Roy has a big advantage in almost every category. Woodson has the advantage in only one category, and just barely, at that.

BTW, do you have total tackles stats? And any stats concerning passes completed against them (number of passes and average yardage)?

Just curious.

 

[AdamJT13]

BTW, do you have total tackles stats? And any stats concerning passes completed against them (number of passes and average yardage)?

Tackles aren't an official stat, so the numbers are iffy for comparisons. But according to NFL.com, they're almost identical. Per 16 games (again, not including Woodson's first year) --

SOLO TACKLES
Woodson 74.86, Williams 71.69

ASSISTS
Williams 16.92, Woodson 16.00

And no, there's no stats for how many passes they've each allowed.

 

[Martice]

I guess numbers do lie if you believe all of the "I miss Woody" posts here. Woody was a great player indeed and will be missed though. However, other than speed and leadership abilities, I am just as excited about having Roy back there holding us down.

 

[dbair1967]

And any stats concerning passes completed against them (number of passes and average yardage)?

.

with Roy Williams its alot like Newman was last yr with the fickle fools, if he gives up one completion its like he's given up 20 or something

David

 

[Vertigo_17]

which not surpsingly coincided with "very bad defense"

David

Yes David, I'm still shocked another DC hasn't jumped on the interchangable safeties defensive scheme. It's really worked wonders here in Dallas

 

[DA FAN]

IMO Roys needs to quit focusing on the big hit, and just focus on making the tackle. You don't have to blow the guy up on every freaking play. Just make the play

That's exactly my opinion as well.

I'm getting a little tired of it, if you ask me.

Seen him fly by and completely missing the guy because he was after the BIG HIT.

It's great if the BIG HIT would guarantee a tackle everytime, but sometimes he hits the runner and the runner just keeps going.

I really don't care to compare him with Woodson, they are different players with different teams.


The point is he keeps looking for the BIG HIT everytime and you don't have to do this.


I can only imagine how much of a BETTER player Roy would be if he didn't focus on the BIG HIT everytime.

Not saying he is not a GOOD player, only that he COULD be better.

 

[blindzebra]

Yes David, I'm still shocked another DC hasn't jumped on the interchangable safeties defensive scheme. It's really worked wonders here in Dallas

You might want to check out the recap of today's PC. One of the DC's that everyone on the anti-Zimmer front jock rides, uses his safeties the same way.

 

[dbair1967]

Yes David, I'm still shocked another DC hasn't jumped on the interchangable safeties defensive scheme. It's really worked wonders here in Dallas

and its not just that innovation that has Zimmer on the cutting edge...its the "run your pass rushers straight into the opposing OL" schemes up front...or the "take the longest possible route to the outside rush" technique that we use so well...then there's the "lets blitz from 20-30 yds downfield and see how long we can give the qb to throw" scheme

David

 

[Awakened]

Here are their 16-game averages (NOT including Woodson's first year, when he was just a backup) --

INTERCEPTIONS
Williams 2.77, Woodson 2.27

SACKS
Williams 1.69, Woodson 1.09

TACKLES FOR LOSS
Williams 5.54, Woodson 4.74

QB PRESSURES
Williams 5.23, Woodson 3.65

PASSES DEFENDED
Woodson 8.99, Williams 8.62

FORCED FUMBLES
Williams 2.77, Woodson 1.48

FUMBLES RECOVERED
Williams 1.23, Woodson 0.99

TOUCHDOWNS SCORED
Williams 0.62, Woodson 0.20

Roy has a big advantage in almost every category. Woodson has the advantage in only one category, and just barely, at that.

Adam, you are the undisputed king of stats. I pay more attention to what you say than anybody on this Board. However, I disagree with your assessment that Roy is better than Darren. I think the stats have blinded you to looking at the total package, which includes the intangibles such as leadership and know-how.

A couple of things I will concede. First, Darren never brought the fear that Roy brings. I think Roy probably already ranks near the top in that category of all-time Cowboys. Second, I could be unfairly comparing Roy to a more mature Darren. In other words, I might be expecting Roy to be in his fourth year what Darren was in, say, his eighth year.

I still have great hopes that Roy will become a "complete" football player. The problem might be that the expectations were so high, and then his rookie year (with Woodson) was so fantastic. There seems to have been little improvement these last three years.

 

[Vertigo_17]

You might want to check out the recap of today's PC. One of the DC's that everyone on the anti-Zimmer front jock rides, uses his safeties the same way.

I saw that in Roshi's recap.

 

[Awakened]

totally agree

Roy Williams was a dominant player at OU...at times he has been dominant in Dallas...Darren Woodson was very good, but he was never a game changing player

David

What you said about Darren could also be said about Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin.

 

[Wolfpack]

Woodson was one of the hardest hitting safeties in the league for a long time.

I'd trade a 31 for a 28 anyday.

 

[Bring Back Jimmy J]

28 WAS A LEADER as well as a safety!!! We lack leadership on the both sides. Make 31 a weak side Linebacker, hell he's getting fat as the season goes along...he's what 6'0 like 235lbs. Isn't that pretty close to what Dat is?

 

[dbair1967]

What you said about Darren could also be said about Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin.

huh? ***?

put the crack pipe down...slowly walk away

Woodson was a very good player and a borderline potential hall of fame guy...there is nothing borderline about Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt's chances at HOF...each was very arguably the best player at his position from 1991-1995, each were dominant players

without them, we dont win 3 super bowls...if Darren Woodson werent here, we'd have still won 3 super bowls

David

 

[AdamJT13]

Adam, you are the undisputed king of stats. I pay more attention to what you say than anybody on this Board. However, I disagree with your assessment that Roy is better than Darren.

I didn't say Roy is better than Darren was. I said he's a bigger playmaker, which is true by any measure.

 

[Awakened]

I didn't say Roy is better than Darren was. I said he's a bigger playmaker, which is true by any measure.

Adam, so you agree with me that Darren - in his prime - was a better all around football player than Roy has become?

 

[Awakened]

huh? ***?

put the crack pipe down...slowly walk away

Woodson was a very good player and a borderline potential hall of fame guy...there is nothing borderline about Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt's chances at HOF...each was very arguably the best player at his position from 1991-1995, each were dominant players

without them, we dont win 3 super bowls...if Darren Woodson werent here, we'd have still won 3 super bowls

David

***? back at ya

Emmitt was better than Barry?
Michael was better than Jerry?
Troy was better than Steve Young?

All three of those guys were considered great, solid football players. All are HOF. I agree on that. But none were considered "explosive". Troy was considered a technician who worked great in the system. Emmitt was a tough, hard running guy with great vision who benifitted from a great OL. Micheal was a great possession receiver. I loved them all. They were all true football players, but none of them were considered super explosive.

 

[Hostile]

Emmitt was better than Barry?

For my money, yes. Barry is not even in my top 5 and barely in my top 10.

Michael was better than Jerry?

Even Michael admits no one is better than Jerry.

Troy was better than Steve Young?

Again, for my money, yes. No disrespect to Young, but put them on the same team and he's the backup.

 

[AdamJT13]

Adam, so you agree with me that Darren - in his prime - was a better all around football player than Roy has become?

Darren Woodson in his prime was better than Roy Williams has been the past two years. But I'm guessing that when Roy gets to be in his prime, he'll be better than Woodson ever was. And that could even start this season.