I would trade Zack Martin for a 1st and 2nd

[cowboyec]

Chaz and Bell subbing for Tyron was the problem last year not Cooper.

Cooper did a good job but an up-grade was needed...especially with the knee injury.
his 3rd now which Im sure will affect his quickness.
I just dont want band aides....I want long term fixes.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

How many drafted guards are All Pro their first year? Martin was, but he was a huge exception.
What's the point of building a team just to trade them away and start yet another re-building process?

Utter lunacy...

 

[atlantacowboy]

Cooper did a good job but an up-grade was needed...especially with the knee injury.
his 3rd now which Im sure will affect his quickness.
I just dont want band aides....I want long term fixes.

Guards are not hard to find. Filling the tackle spots is a much bigger chore. Cooper was just someone we plucked off the NFL scrap heap for cheap and he did fine considering he played with a turnstile next to him for a lot of the season.

 

[atlantacowboy]

How many drafted guards are All Pro their first year? Martin was, but he was a huge exception.
What's the point of building a team just to trade them away and start yet another re-building process?

Utter lunacy...

The best G in the league last year was Andrew Norwell who was undrafted the same year we picked Zach. The point is that you don't have to spend premium picks or use huge chunks of cap space to fill that spot with a quality player. One big reason Dallas can't succeed in the cap era is that we have no idea how to allocate cap dollars and make too many sentimental decisions on players. Zach is looking for a Dez Bryant like contract at G and it makes no cap sense for a team like Dallas struggling to make the playoffs to pay that position.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Throw Dak in on the deal too. Maybe a 1st and 2nd and maybe a 3rd or 4th for Dak.

 

[MarkP88]

What the...what has Martin ever done to make anyone want to trade him? The guy is phenomenal.

 

[cowboyec]

Guards are not hard to find. Filling the tackle spots is a much bigger chore. Cooper was just someone we plucked off the NFL scrap heap for cheap and he did fine considering he played with a turnstile next to him for a lot of the season.

then why wouldn't some other team do that instead of trading a kings ransom for Zack.

some people on this board say we cant draft a OG in the first because of the value of the position yet here is a thread saying trade a OG for a 1st and 2nd.....which shatters the argument they make about taking a OG at 19.
Im keeping Martin and drafting Wynn and bull-dozing opponents into oblivion.

 

[LandryFan]

Hear me out....

Zack is one of my fave Cowboys but....he's playing hardball and will want a ridiculous contract.

We cant have all our cap dollars tied up in linemen, I wouldn' sign him anyway for the contract he wants so why not throw some trade bait out there

1st and 2nd or two 1sts...whatever

As with most big contracts, what looks like too much today looks very reasonable, or even a bargain, in a year or two...he goes nowhere.

 

[jnday]

Hear me out....

Zack is one of my fave Cowboys but....he's playing hardball and will want a ridiculous contract.

We cant have all our cap dollars tied up in linemen, I wouldn' sign him anyway for the contract he wants so why not throw some trade bait out there

1st and 2nd or two 1sts...whatever

Dallas has only one area that is above average, the oline. After spending the resources to build the line, should they just let them walk? The oline is the one and only area that helps Dak, Zeke and keeps the defense fresh is the line. The whole offense is built around the line. Actually the line is the team's identity and there is no reason to ruin the one strength of the team.

 

[sdfidaho]

Offer him a contract that will make him the highest paid guard....barely.
If he doesn’t accept, tag him next year.
Both sides can play hardball, but there is no reason to handcuff the team for a guard. Not the same as a LT

 

[LACowboysFan1]

The best G in the league last year was Andrew Norwell who was undrafted the same year we picked Zach. The point is that you don't have to spend premium picks or use huge chunks of cap space to fill that spot with a quality player. One big reason Dallas can't succeed in the cap era is that we have no idea how to allocate cap dollars and make too many sentimental decisions on players. Zach is looking for a Dez Bryant like contract at G and it makes no cap sense for a team like Dallas struggling to make the playoffs to pay that position.

So getting rid of an All Pro guard will mean they will have a BETTER chance to make the playoffs?

I understand your reasoning, this team needs help at various positions. You can get "two for one" by getting draft picks for Martin, but here's my viewpoint.

First of all, if you get rid of Martin, who will take his spot? There's no one on the roster available, no great free agent guard available in free agency and do you really want to hope that some undrafted guard will be anywhere near as good as Martin (or the Newell guy you think is the best guard, I beg to differ)? And just how good have the Cowboys been at finding the great undrafted players, except Collins, who had an unusual situation that let him be undrafted? Not very good.
So you think keeping Martin is due to sentimental reasons? A perennial Pro Bowler?

And I'm sure Zack is looking for a huge contract, first of all he's earned it, secondly it's common negotiating tactics to ask for far more than you will take, doesn't mean he expects to get it. You start high and come down. I studied negotiating in college, there's various ways to try to get what you want.

Lastly, makes no sense to take one of the very very few guys on this team you can count on for top play all year, every year just because you can't otherwise manage the cap correctly. By your reasoning, if any player gets to be really great, just trade him. NO player would be safe, in a couple of years you have a bunch of inexperienced players that haven't played with anybody else. Continuity on the offensive line is more important than just about any other area, what with the innovative blitzes these days, athletic tackles like Donald can tear apart your offense unless you have personnel in place to handle them, like Martin and Frederick.

We're not going to agree, I just hope Jerry and Stephen take my view, not yours...

 

[phildadon86]

Dont hate the plan. Hate the fact that we put too much money into Tyron with all these restructures over the years coupled with declining play. If you spend a zillion dollars on your line you will have BIG holes in your line up in other places. If you spend about 50 million on the line how do you pay Dak and Zeke? "Dak friendly" includes having Dak and Zeke for years to come. I love Martin but we just cant afford him and still pay the rest of our team. Remember, Stephen Jones likes to sign his own players instead of making a splash. A 50 million dollar line will prevent that.

Tyron's cap hit as of 2019 is nothing for a starting left tackle. We will be fine without trading away the best G in football. lol

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Put too much money into T. Smith, eh? Well lets see, 5 straight Pro Bowls, All Pro honors, in 2013 he gave up ONE sack and had ONE holding call.

People, great players cost money, big money. Name me one SB winning team that had nothing but a bunch of average players on the team, just one.

At some point you have to pay your best players...

 

[Jipper]

i love martin and he makes this team better but i am leaning towards the side of draft a young guy and let him walk, take those dollars and spread across the team as a whole...you can't have filet at every position and i would rather have ribeye here and sirloin there than filet in a few and butcher shop leftovers in other spots.

I think its all a balance of impact and benefit...no problem paying guys but at the end of the day you have to make sure that the sum of the parts is great than the total ...not sure a huge contract to martin and less dollars for other spots would equal a better outcome than a 1st or 2nd round draft pick plus more dollars in other positions....

thats just my take and im not saying dont pay him, im just saying that choices have to be made and you cant have 40% of your cap space locked up on the offensive line.

 

[cowboyec]

Put too much money into T. Smith, eh? Well lets see, 5 straight Pro Bowls, All Pro honors, in 2013 he gave up ONE sack and had ONE holding call.

People, great players cost money, big money. Name me one SB winning team that had nothing but a bunch of average players on the team, just one.

At some point you have to pay your best players...

the player in your Avatar says PREACH.

 

[atlantacowboy]

So getting rid of an All Pro guard will mean they will have a BETTER chance to make the playoffs?

I understand your reasoning, this team needs help at various positions. You can get "two for one" by getting draft picks for Martin, but here's my viewpoint.

First of all, if you get rid of Martin, who will take his spot? There's no one on the roster available, no great free agent guard available in free agency and do you really want to hope that some undrafted guard will be anywhere near as good as Martin (or the Newell guy you think is the best guard, I beg to differ)? And just how good have the Cowboys been at finding the great undrafted players, except Collins, who had an unusual situation that let him be undrafted? Not very good.
So you think keeping Martin is due to sentimental reasons? A perennial Pro Bowler?

And I'm sure Zack is looking for a huge contract, first of all he's earned it, secondly it's common negotiating tactics to ask for far more than you will take, doesn't mean he expects to get it. You start high and come down. I studied negotiating in college, there's various ways to try to get what you want.

Lastly, makes no sense to take one of the very very few guys on this team you can count on for top play all year, every year just because you can't otherwise manage the cap correctly. By your reasoning, if any player gets to be really great, just trade him. NO player would be safe, in a couple of years you have a bunch of inexperienced players that haven't played with anybody else. Continuity on the offensive line is more important than just about any other area, what with the innovative blitzes these days, athletic tackles like Donald can tear apart your offense unless you have personnel in place to handle them, like Martin and Frederick.

We're not going to agree, I just hope Jerry and Stephen take my view, not yours...

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If he was playing QB or destroying opposing offenses like aaron Donald, you would have a point. All he does is block and you don't need the highest paid G in history to get the job done. The dumbest thing we can do is let him play out his 5th year option and then let him walk. We need to cash in the chip or sign him long term and deal with the consequences of that contract down the road. Knowing the cowboys, they'll pay him.

 

[LittleD]

How many drafted guards are All Pro their first year? Martin was, but he was a huge exception.
What's the point of building a team just to trade them away and start yet another re-building process?

Utter lunacy...

Look, there comes a point that the player and his agent are just not going to be reasonable. We have Martin this year for
about 9.5mil and we can franchise him next year for substantially more. We will have had him for 6 years and now have
two drafts to get his replacement on board. Guards are plentiful year after year. It is LT's that are very hard to get.
Let him get his money from another deep pocket team. We can find another all pro guard.

 

[Jarv]

How many drafted guards are All Pro their first year? Martin was, but he was a huge exception.
What's the point of building a team just to trade them away and start yet another re-building process?

Utter lunacy...

Crazy is right, Bill Belichick would never trade a all star for a 1st round pick...right!

 

[LACowboysFan1]

The crux of the matter is that we know what we have in Martin, anybody else is an unknown. Yes, you can say you can't play scared, that Martin will sooner or later fall off and if he's paid wrong, it can be bad. Trading him away for draft picks is chancy, however, with the team being built for Zeke, you HAVE to have a top line, finding the super quarterback who can "make everybody better" is an even bigger uncertainty than finding a top guard. Let's build on what we've got...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

We can find another all pro guard.

Who was the last one before Martin? Larry Allen, 2005, 13 years ago. Yeah we can find another one, just wait a decade or so...