I would venture to argue that Alfred Morris is a better runner than DeMarco

[CowboyRoy]

A bit of your personal bias is showing here. Murray's 2013 season where he rushed for 1121 yards, had 416 yards receiving and scored 10 TDs was not average, let alone worse than average.



So if Murray was horrible, what was Morris? About 220 yards less from scrimmage and 6 fewer TDs?



You can prefer Morris and his contract over Murray and his, you can even believe that Morris will be a good fit, but you can not make the argument that 2014 was the only year Murray was better. With the exception of 2012, Murray has had more yards from scrimmage and more TDs in each season.

Murray was poorly used by Garrett his first 3 years. Other than the first year for Morris and the final year, he played on bad teams with bad Olines. Very similar circumstances in my opinion. If I had to take one player for equal money it would be Murray for his versatility. But neither guy to me is a stud RB or franchise type guy. For the money, I take Morris all day long.

When it comes to RB's, if you cant stay healthy and carry the load, you arent much good to a championship built team in my opinion. Murray getting hurt the first 3 years created the bias for me. I do believe that Morris is a better between the tackles runner with better vision. Hopefully that will shine when he gets a chance to run behind our line. I fear in the beginning of the season, however, we will be seeing more of McFadden then we should.

 

[CowboyRoy]

im not on here much so i dont know people in these forums.. is this guy trolling me?

the look isnt a tough guy look.. the movie is a classic

Maybe it is a classic in YOUR mind. I simply dont watch "ice cube" movies, however I have seen plenty of trailers and clips. He acts like a tough guy in most of his movies with that scowl look on his face. I have always thought it humorous that a plump little short guy could ever act tough and get away with it. But that is Hollywood.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Stats are just measurements. To be sure, people can measure things wrong. Or they can measure things that don't really matter.

But the people who know what they're doing for the most part know what to measure, and why.

One thing is for sure.....However the Cowboys have been measuring these things, have been wrong. For a long long time now.

I think they failed with their measurement of the market and of Joe Randle, combined with letting Murray walk.....in addition to their measurement of Weeden......

And I don't care what the stats say about YPC for Randle when he backed up Murray, or what the stats say about last years running attack.....

here is another Stat. 12-4 - 4-12. That's probably an important Stat..................


Edit: not yelling at you Idgit.....or even disagreeing with you, 100%. Just a lifelong fan tired of losing, despite what the stats say about DMC and Randle and Dunbar,

 

[Idgit]

One thing is for sure.....However the Cowboys have been measuring these things, have been wrong. For a long long time now.

I think they failed with their measurement of the market and of Joe Randle, combined with letting Murray walk.....in addition to their measurement of Weeden......

And I don't care what the stats say about YPC for Randle when he backed up Murray, or what the stats say about last years running attack.....

here is another Stat. 12-4 - 4-12. That's probably an important Stat..................


Edit: not yelling at you Idgit.....or even disagreeing with you, 100%. Just a lifelong fan tired of losing, despite what the stats say about DMC and Randle and Dunbar,

I'm tired of losing, too, but it sounds like we've got a completely different diagnoses as to why we lost so much last season. I think giveaways/takeaways did us in (I realize that covers most, but not all, of the bad QB play). I don't see where RBs had much of anything to do with it.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I'm tired of losing, too, but it sounds like we've got a completely different diagnoses as to why we lost so much last season. I think giveaways/takeaways did us in (I realize that covers most, but not all, of the bad QB play). I don't see where RBs had much of anything to do with it.

Yeah. I do think turnover ratio had much to do with it, and QB. But that's part of the game. You have to win the turnover battle. You also should plan accordingly for injuries. Others had QBs that went down, and went on to the playoffs. One even won the Super Bowl. Good teams. Good organizations address these issues. They don't always win these battles and plan accordingly, but more often then not, they do.

I absolutely think the RB and our rushing attack was in the top 3 reasons of why we failed last year.

 

[KJJ]

Fans all delusional thinking Murray would have saved our season last year. How was he the year we did have him when we played the Cardinals without Romo? He was awful.. Don't think he would have improved our record by 1 game last year.

He's a solid player, but without Romo he is just average as was seen in Philly.

I'm not one of those fans who thinks Murray would have saved our season but a more efficient running game might have kept Romo healthy. One game the Cowboys would have won with Murray was against Tampa. McFadden carried the ball 17 times and could do nothing averaging 1.9 a carry which greatly contributed to that loss. With the Cowboys leading 6-3 with 5:42 left McFadden took a 7 yard loss forcing the Cowboys to have to throw the next two downs resulting in a punt. We had a great opportunity to milk the clock in that situation leaving Tampa with little time but we couldn't run the ball.

Tampa ended up scoring the winning TD with just 54 seconds left. That was a huge loss that killed any realistic chance the Cowboys had. As for Murray's bad performance vs AZ in 2014 the Cards had one of the top defenses in the league and with no passing threat from Weeden who had a miserable day the defense was able to stack up against Murray. They were bent on stopping him and any back would have struggled in that situation. None of the backs we had in 2015 scared anyone. McFaddens 3 previous seasons prior to coming to Dallas he only averaged 3.5 a carry and only Trent Richardson had a worse average over that period.

Long down situations hurt us all season Romo was injured both times in long down situations where the defense was able to pin their ears back and come after him. Against Carolina McFadden had 3 negative carries on his first 7 attempts which put the game on Romo. Once Romo went down in Philly it was going to be a rough year regardless if we had Murray but we were in a lot of tight games and the running threat he gave us would have helped.

 

[iRepDatStar]

Maybe it is a classic in YOUR mind. I simply dont watch "ice cube" movies, however I have seen plenty of trailers and clips. He acts like a tough guy in most of his movies with that scowl look on his face. I have always thought it humorous that a plump little short guy could ever act tough and get away with it. But that is Hollywood.

you dont watch ice cube movies.. but you watched trailers and clips? oh ok

 

[CowboyRoy]

you dont watch ice cube movies.. but you watched trailers and clips? oh ok

You see commercials bub. You see ESPN trailers when he is a guest. When you are in the movies you see previews. Kabish?!!!!

Now I may have seen Friday a long time ago or watched some of it, but in no way was that some kind of cult movie for me where I would know one particular look was from that movie. To me, he always tries to act like a tough guy in his movies. Am I not correct? I always found that comical. The only guy he is shorter than is that other new comedian that is popular now that he just did a movie with. You will have to excuse me if I dont know the names of these people.

 

[dagreat1_87]

You see commercials bub. You see ESPN trailers when he is a guest. When you are in the movies you see previews. Kabish?!!!!

Now I may have seen Friday a long time ago or watched some of it, but in no way was that some kind of cult movie for me where I would know one particular look was from that movie. To me, he always tries to act like a tough guy in his movies. Am I not correct? I always found that comical. The only guy he is shorter than is that other new comedian that is popular now that he just did a movie with. You will have to excuse me if I dont know the names of these people.

just a quick chime in here even though its a little off topic. Ice cube doesn't always act like a tough guy in every one of his movies. majority yes, but not all. If anything, Friday was more about him standing up to a bunch of tough guys. However the "tough guy" thing comes from him being a hardcore rapper and his time in the rap group N.W.A. Believe me when i say, he's not acting tough. Short or not. late 80's/early 90's Ice Cube was a baaaad man who you did not want to mess with...musically or in person.

 

[CowboyRoy]

just a quick chime in here even though its a little off topic. Ice cube doesn't always act like a tough guy in every one of his movies. majority yes, but not all. If anything, Friday was more about him standing up to a bunch of tough guys. However the "tough guy" thing comes from him being a hardcore rapper and his time in the rap group N.W.A. Believe me when i say, he's not acting tough. Short or not. late 80's/early 90's Ice Cube was a baaaad man who you did not want to mess with...musically or in person.

Fair enough, but the only way that dude is a bad man is if he has a gun. And in my opinion, carrying a gun or acting tough because you have a gun, unless it is your profession is a cowardly thing to do.

 

[dagreat1_87]

Fair enough, but the only way that dude is a bad man is if he has a gun. And in my opinion, carrying a gun or acting tough because you have a gun, unless it is your profession is a cowardly thing to do.

eh we'll agree to disagree on the whole tough thing because it seems you're implying he isn't tough/bad because he's short lol. he was raised in the streets so good fighting is probably in his bag of skills but i don't really know. Either way, he was pretty intimidating back in the day.

 

[CowboyRoy]

eh we'll agree to disagree on the whole tough thing because it seems you're implying he isn't tough/bad because he's short lol. he was raised in the streets so good fighting is probably in his bag of skills but i don't really know. Either way, he was pretty intimidating back in the day.

He is probably tough for his size, lets just leave it there.

But its not like the guy is all ripped up and lanky. Sort of stumpy and pudgy. A little rolly polly in him. Maybe his mean scowl scared some people.

 

[CowboysLegend365]

Morris makes the Offense predictable. Defense doesn't have to worry about screens and wheel routes when he is in the game.

No more predictable than putting Dunbar in to pass. Our offense is usually the same vanilla crap any way...we may have ran 15 screens all year.

 

[dagreat1_87]

He is probably tough for his size, lets just leave it there.

But its not like the guy is all ripped up and lanky. Sort of stumpy and pudgy. A little rolly polly in him. Maybe his mean scowl scared some people.

haha ah i gotcha now. from the pudgy point of view i understand (ironically he played someone named doughboy in one of his movies)