I would venture to argue that Alfred Morris is a better runner than DeMarco

[KJJ]

I see you a big Murray fan, when he was a Cowboy I pulled for him too. Actually thought he lost some speed after his rookie year. While I appreciate your fandom for Murray, I did not want to pay him 8 million/year. Bottom line we were right, he didn't have a good year last year, he got into the coaches doghouse and then looked like a whiner going to the owner and complaining. I wouldn't have minded keeping him at 4 million/year, which is less than we even offered. So I think we made the right choice at the price point he was asking for. Hopefully Morris and McFadden (along with rookie RB) can fill the role for us.

I'm not a Murray FAN and if he ended up missing games due to another injury in 2014 and the Cowboys ended up 8-8 again or worse I would have had no issue letting him walk. However he had a great year and it appeared the Cowboys had finally turned the corner along with Murray and might be on the brink of a championship and we should have gone all out to keep our best player that season for a SB run in 2015. We were on the right track and allowed arguably the teams MVP from 2014 to walk. Everything good about the 2014 team was a result of Murray and the running game. Romo had arguably his best season being able to lean on Murray and it took a lot of pressure off him and the defense that spent 12 fewer plays on the field than they did in 2013. Had Jerry allowed Emmitt to walk or traded him during the 93 season when he wanted more money there would have been no 3 SB wins in 4 years or team of the decade honors.

Jerry got to find out that season when the Cowboys were 0-2 without Emmitt that despite how great his OL was the back matters. Everyone knows why Murray had a bad year in Philly and those who think he would have had the same type of season in Dallas are kidding themselves. What happened to Murray in Philly would not have happened with the Cowboys and we have 4 years to look back on with him on the team to verify that. It was injuries that kept him from being real productive with the Cowboys not him being a poor fit or the lack of opportunities. He had a right to get frustrated in Philly Kelly had no idea what he was doing and it cost him his job. In 14 games in 22 fewer carries in 2013 Murray put up more rushing yards and 7 more TD's than McFadden had last season and Murray's OL hadn't yet arrived.

Appears Romo's best opportunity for a championship has passed him by and Jerry may live in regret that he didn't do everything to keep that 2014 team together a team that could have been an even better team had he kept Ware. It was the lack of pressure on Aaron Rodgers that got the Cowboys knocked out of the playoffs. Jerry allowed 2 of his best players to get away in back to back seasons and it's led to where the team is right now at 4-12. If the team continues to struggle next season Jerry will look back on some of the decisions he made knowing that he had a very good team in 2014 and didn't build on it thinking he could get by with any back.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I see you a big Murray fan, when he was a Cowboy I pulled for him too. Actually thought he lost some speed after his rookie year. While I appreciate your fandom for Murray, I did not want to pay him 8 million/year. Bottom line we were right, he didn't have a good year last year, he got into the coaches doghouse and then looked like a whiner going to the owner and complaining. I wouldn't have minded keeping him at 4 million/year, which is less than we even offered. So I think we made the right choice at the price point he was asking for. Hopefully Morris and McFadden (along with rookie RB) can fill the role for us.

I don't. I don't think we made too many "right" choices last year. We went from 12-4 to 4-12, and lost another Romo year.

I like DMAC. But he isn't "the" guy. And how anybody can defend the decision to let the leagues leading rusher go and replace him with Joe Randle and DMAC, and, allow Brandon Weeden to back up the 35 year old franchise......after the results we got last year is beyond me. We royally messed up and we don't have the culture and coaching to make up for it. Not even close. we need things to be perfect and for the "good luckness" to fall are way , or we simply cant win football games.......

we won 4. 4 games. we didn't do too much ...."right".....

I know, I know...."long term" is what were thinking....right? Long term, were making all the right decisions.....just give it some time................................right?

 

[Idgit]

Joe Randle.

What of him? You're saying he was a problem?

That he was, but he was readily replaced, too. The position group as a whole, though, was not the issue last season.

 

[aikemirv]

I like the pickup of Morris but he has not been near as successful when teams did not have to worry about RGIII keeping it instead.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

What of him? You're saying he was a problem?

That he was, but he was readily replaced, too. The position group as a whole, though, was not the issue last season.

I disagree, but the board has hashed it over and over. Romo was the issue of course.....right? or was it coaching? or the backup QB? or the lack of turnovers? .

imho, we didn't have the same running attack we did , when Murray was carrying the rock, to fall back on and rely on. . I don't care what the stats say. I can watch a football game and realize stats can be deceiving....

 

[Idgit]

I disagree, but the board has hashed it over and over. Romo was the issue of course.....right? or was it coaching? or the backup QB? or the lack of turnovers? .

imho, we didn't have the same running attack we did , when Murray was carrying the rock, to fall back on and rely on. . I don't care what the stats say. I can watch a football game and realize stats can be deceiving....

When I watch the games, I usually find they back up exactly what the stats suggest. And I wasn't worrying about running backs. In fact, there we games like ATL and NO, early, where the position was very productive for us.

Last year the issue was the offensive injuries and the missing takeaways, yes.

 

[Jarv]

I don't. I don't think we made too many "right" choices last year. We went from 12-4 to 4-12, and lost another Romo year.

I like DMAC. But he isn't "the" guy. And how anybody can defend the decision to let the leagues leading rusher go and replace him with Joe Randle and DMAC, and, allow Brandon Weeden to back up the 35 year old franchise......after the results we got last year is beyond me. We royally messed up and we don't have the culture and coaching to make up for it. Not even close. we need things to be perfect and for the "good luckness" to fall are way , or we simply cant win football games.......

we won 4. 4 games. we didn't do too much ...."right".....

I know, I know...."long term" is what were thinking....right? Long term, were making all the right decisions.....just give it some time................................right?

Lol...I agree I would like to get an elite RB and I would have liked to keep Murray, just not at 8 million/year! What I quote in bold I was totally against too, so we do have some questions about the management in common. The environment that Jerry structures has been doomed for failure since Jimmy left. Jerry breaks the chain of command too often which leads to mayhem. I hate JGs game day skills and question our offensive lack of creativity and play calling. I was a fan during our 20+ year run of making the playoffs every year, what we have now is a total mess.

 

[plasticman]

Morris isnt even close to Murray, not close. Murray is far more versatile, he has caught 50 or more passes twice in a season. Morris hasnt caught that many in his career.

Murray averaged 5 yards a carry for a season twice. Again, Morris isnt close.

Morris is your typical Commander RB, run him into the ground for three or four years, then dump him.

Morris is going to be the short yatdage guy, the 4th quarter closer, our Marion Barber for the 2017 season...if he makes the team. We still have to find out if the Redakins left anything

 

[JoeBoBBY]

When I watch the games, I usually find they back up exactly what the stats suggest. And I wasn't worrying about running backs. In fact, there we games like ATL and NO, early, where the position was very productive for us.

Last year the issue was the offensive injuries and the missing takeaways, yes.

I love the numbers. And they are important. But many of them are so ...skewed, especially in a team sport, that I don't put much stock in them. out of a list of say 5 criteria items that form my opinion, I think stats are 4 or 5 on that list.


But it is how we measure. They are used to enshrine potential HOFers....

But having said that, what was Joe Randle YPC the year he backed up Murray?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Lol...I agree I would like to get an elite RB and I would have liked to keep Murray, just not at 8 million/year! What I quote in bold I was totally against too, so we do have some questions about the management in common. The environment that Jerry structures has been doomed for failure since Jimmy left. Jerry breaks the chain of command too often which leads to mayhem. I hate JGs game day skills and question our offensive lack of creativity and play calling. I was a fan during our 20+ year run of making the playoffs every year, what we have now is a total mess.

I concur Sir.

 

[KJJ]

Lol...I agree I would like to get an elite RB and I would have liked to keep Murray, just not at 8 million/year! What I quote in bold I was totally against too, so we do have some questions about the management in common. The environment that Jerry structures has been doomed for failure since Jimmy left. Jerry breaks the chain of command too often which leads to mayhem. I hate JGs game day skills and question our offensive lack of creativity and play calling. I was a fan during our 20+ year run of making the playoffs every year, what we have now is a total mess.

Several bad decisions over the past 2 years led to the disaster we saw last season. Jerry along with the FAN base thought he had a group of backs who could combine for the yards and TD's Murray had in 2014 and they came up over 400 yards short and had 8 fewer TD's. Jerry and the FANS miscalculated. He thought he had a solid backup QB in Brandon Weeden who he and his staff touted all summer as vastly improved and ended up having to cut him during the season due to his performance. Just another miscalculation that's continued to weaken the team. It's obvious the Cowboys have no clue how to build a solid football team sticking with a head coach who's only had one winning/playoff season in 5 years.

The Cowboys part ways with their best players due to money and are spending this offseason making it a priority to re-sign average players like Claiborne because they'll play for cheap. The Cowboys are so lost on what it takes to be a great team they're claiming Carr is better than what the game tape has shown. They still haven't parted with him thinking the entire season was a wreck all because Romo went down. Jerry is more than willing to keep a 4-12 team together if he has players willing to take pay cuts. Who cares if they're average players as long their price is right.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Other than a miraculous dream season for Murray, he has been worse than average.

A bit of your personal bias is showing here. Murray's 2013 season where he rushed for 1121 yards, had 416 yards receiving and scored 10 TDs was not average, let alone worse than average.

His year last year was horrible. Blame whatever you want on how he was used, he didnt produce even when he did get carries.

So if Murray was horrible, what was Morris? About 220 yards less from scrimmage and 6 fewer TDs?

4 mediocre years of Murray to 1 great tell the tale. Ill take Morris and his slight contract over the overpaid, over hyped, injury prone Murray any day of the week.

You can prefer Morris and his contract over Murray and his, you can even believe that Morris will be a good fit, but you can not make the argument that 2014 was the only year Murray was better. With the exception of 2012, Murray has had more yards from scrimmage and more TDs in each season.

 

[Idgit]

I love the numbers. And they are important. But many of them are so ...skewed, especially in a team sport, that I don't put much stock in them. out of a list of say 5 criteria items that form my opinion, I think stats are 4 or 5 on that list.


But it is how we measure. They are used to enshrine potential HOFers....

But having said that, what was Joe Randle YPC the year he backed up Murray?

Stats are just measurements. To be sure, people can measure things wrong. Or they can measure things that don't really matter.

But the people who know what they're doing for the most part know what to measure, and why.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Those of you who say we made the right decision to let Murray walk are in denial.

You don't pay elite money for above average talent. Murray priced himself out of town we didn't let him walk.

 

[DandyDon52]

You don't pay elite money for above average talent. Murray priced himself out of town we didn't let him walk.

they did with crawford ,witten, carr, unless they are all "elite"

 

[KJJ]

You don't pay elite money for above average talent. Murray priced himself out of town we didn't let him walk.

Murray leading the league by over 500 rushing yards setting a franchise rushing record in the process is what priced him out of town. Jerry could have paid him but he and the FAN base felt why spend the money when a combination of average backs could produce the same amount of yards and TD's Murray did running behind our OL. Go through the archives and see how many FANS chanted that the Cowboys wouldn't miss a beat with the backs they have running behind our magnificent OL that some claimed was on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas. McFadden was suppose to provide longer runs than Murray but it was Murray who had the longest run from scrimmage between the two last season.

It's worth paying elite money for a player you rode to a 12-4 season and the playoffs especially with all the pressure they took off your QB who's had injury issues. When a player gives you a great opportunity to take the next step and win a championship especially when time is running out for your franchise QB you should pay them. Everyone knew if Romo didn't have an RB to lean on it would once again be on his shoulders to win games which is a big reason we went 8-8 three straight seasons.

In the opener it all came down to Romo having to win the game due to his running game not being efficient. In 3 of Romo's 4 starts our backs averaged under 4.0 a carry putting those games on his shoulders. Allowing players to walk who've helped you win games because they're too expensive and re-signing players who've been liabilities because they'll play for a modest amount of money isn't a formula for success especially when you don't have solid coaching.

 

[big dog cowboy]

...if he makes the team.

If he makes the team? WTH?

 

[Hoofbite]

Morris had a great rookie year under Shanahan. Find me a back who hasn't had success under Shanahan.

I don't think he's great but I do think he will get the job done. He's proven to be durable, which means he's the only RB on the roster with that trait.

 

[iRepDatStar]

LOL....I don't watch dumb movies like Friday? No, I dont get off on watching midgets act like they are tough guys. Sorry, you may have a taste for that.

im not on here much so i dont know people in these forums.. is this guy trolling me?

the look isnt a tough guy look.. the movie is a classic

 

[dantheman41]

Murray leading the league by over 500 rushing yards setting a franchise rushing record in the process is what priced him out of town. Jerry could have paid him but he and the FAN base felt why spend the money when a combination of average backs could produce the same amount of yards and TD's Murray did running behind our OL. Go through the archives and see how many FANS chanted that the Cowboys wouldn't miss a beat with the backs they have running behind our magnificent OL that some claimed was on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas. McFadden was suppose to provide longer runs than Murray but it was Murray who had the longest run from scrimmage between the two last season.

It's worth paying elite money for a player you rode to a 12-4 season and the playoffs especially with all the pressure they took off your QB who's had injury issues. When a player gives you a great opportunity to take the next step and win a championship especially when time is running out for your franchise QB you should pay them. Everyone knew if Romo didn't have an RB to lean on it would once again be on his shoulders to win games which is a big reason we went 8-8 three straight seasons.

In the opener it all came down to Romo having to win the game due to his running game not being efficient. In 3 of Romo's 4 starts our backs averaged under 4.0 a carry putting those games on his shoulders. Allowing players to walk who've helped you win games because they're too expensive and re-signing players who've been liabilities because they'll play for a modest amount of money isn't a formula for success especially when you don't have solid coaching.

Fans all delusional thinking Murray would have saved our season last year. How was he the year we did have him when we played the Cardinals without Romo? He was awful.. Don't think he would have improved our record by 1 game last year.

He's a solid player, but without Romo he is just average as was seen in Philly.