I'd rather a smart player like Coale start over an athletic guy like Ogletree

[WhizKid]

I just hope the best player gets the job.

 

[cobra]

A better way to frame this would be:

"I think we are better with reliable players (Witten, Laurent, Crayton, Coale [based on his college game]) than athletic potential who can't be counted on (KO, Roy W, Martellus)."

I think that gets the point across that getting the job done correctly is far more important than untapped athletic potential.

 

[perrykemp]

Ogletree and Coale are almost identical in all of the measureable categories.

FYI - Coale's 40 time (4.38) is from his Pro Day. He ran 4.5 at the combine.

http://www.walker-texas.com/cowboys-wr-compare.jpg

I absolutely appreciate these spreadsheets that you put together -- I know it is a ton of work... thank you.

My only thought is that it might be better to list their combine 40 time than their Pro Day 40 times. Combine times are at least an apples to apples comparison on different players running on the same track under basically the same circumstances.

If you notice, Pro-Day times are almost always fairly dramatically better than the Combine times -- guys spend weeks and weeks with track coaches learning essentially to perfect the 40 -- essentially like a track athlete. Add to that that some Pro Days are notorious for essentially having their guys run down hill with a string wind at their back, etc, etc

Maybe a different approach would be to list both the Pro-Day 40 and the combine 40.

 

[jayhouston12]

TBH why is ogletree still on the roster? what exactly has he done as a wideout that stood out?

If the 3rd WR spot is a battle between coale and ogletree coale will win by a mile

 

[jday]

Not calling anyone racist but how does Coale get the reputation of being "Smart" and Ogletree gets the reputation of just being "athletic"? I've seen nothing to suggest Ogletree is dumb. Not knowing the playbook doesn't equate to someone being stupid.

No more racist than calling every fast white WR out of college a Wes Welker type.

 

[igtmfo]

Only worry about Coale is that he reportedly plays slower than his timed speed.

Coale's dad is head of conditioning/weight training for VMI football team and this is his profession. He's going to train his son to do "everything" right for the combine, pro day etc. ...

But then lots of players before the draft go to Michael Johnson's speed camp in Fort Worth (I think) and so maybe lots of them are on the same page as Coale.

It's like, in the 80s or something, girls had "glamour shots" done. If you had a jism for that girl, those pictures stuck in your mind, even though the day they left the photo shoot, they had gained 20 pounds that night. Oh that yearbook picture.

I just wish we had drafted Juron Criner, 5th round after Coale. Google him and check out what he has done at Raiders' camp.

 

[Vintage]

Lol. I love when people use the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" line. It's one of my lines.

 

[TheCount]

I'm not sure how anyone would know that Ogletree isn't smart. The fact that he hasn't been able to put it together doesn't mean he's not smart - it means he's not a particularly good player.

Only worry about Coale is that he reportedly plays slower than his timed speed.

You can easily tell by watching him that his combine time is probably more an indicator of his true 40 speed than his Pro Day time. VT is known for having a fast track, every guy that ran there did suspiciously much better than they did at the combine.

For example: Jared Boykin ran a 4.72 at the combine but ran a 4.57 and David Wilson ran a 4.49 at the combine and a 4.40 at their pro day and declined to run it a second time.

 

[kirkjrk]

I would be willing to bet Coale will know the playbook just as good if not better than Otree by the time the season starts. He has better hands, will run better routes, and is just a guy I think Tony would be able to trust. Sure Otree has been in the system and is our fastest offensive player but I don't think that matters as much because Tony won't trust him. Heres to hoping Coale wins the job (Holmes I see as the #4)

I'm in complete agreement. Coale #3 and Holmes #4 and #5 ????. I truly feel Coale will eventually, hopefully sooner than later, become a big part of the offense.

 

[JonJon]

No more racist than calling every fast white WR out of college a Wes Welker type.

Or every Black QB Michael Vick. I can't stand that.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

danny coale had a 3.3 while majoring in finance. oh ya while playing football full time and training for the nfl all the while....

to make this a race debate is absolutely ridiculous. of course he is smarter than ogletree...ogletree runs the wrong routes 25% of the time.

I'm so sick of this reverse racism bull.

to look and make the inadvertent connection that ogletree is black/dumb and coale is white/smart takes more racism than someone just pointing out the facts for what they are....otree is lazy and not the sharpest tool, coale on the other hand is hardworking..IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with race.

So the people pointing out that its racist when the poster did nothing to tie the color of their skin with their intelligence/work ethic, need to step back and take a long look at themselves...for they are subconsciously the true racists.

 

[WhizKid]

again, may the best player win. seriously.

 

[Iago33]

I know it's just OTA's but Holmes from what I've been reading seems to the lighting it up.

People keep referring to what they've heard from OTAs. I've been checking both forums daily to get news but have seen almost nothing next to one nice detailed report from day 1. Where are you getting news?

 

[juck]

I dont care if OTREE is red with purple polka dots,he sucks. Coale is promising.

 

[juck]

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a lil long but the dude seems pretty impressive,OP is correct I would bet.This guy seems like he will go all out to be his best. His work ethic sounds impressive.

 

[SwervinCurvin]

If you tell me how to post a picture on here I can show you I'm not racist because my best friend is african.

Oh, okay then, all is well.

 

[speedkilz88]

Only worry about Coale is that he reportedly plays slower than his timed speed.

Coale's dad is head of conditioning/weight training for VMI football team and this is his profession. He's going to train his son to do "everything" right for the combine, pro day etc. ...

But then lots of players before the draft go to Michael Johnson's speed camp in Fort Worth (I think) and so maybe lots of them are on the same page as Coale.

It's like, in the 80s or something, girls had "glamour shots" done. If you had a jism for that girl, those pictures stuck in your mind, even though the day they left the photo shoot, they had gained 20 pounds that night. Oh that yearbook picture.

I just wish we had drafted Juron Criner, 5th round after Coale. Google him and check out what he has done at Raiders' camp.

So you would rather have a slower wr prospect? Criner is a Keyshawn Johnson type. Big and slow. Coale can run circles around that guy.

 

[igtmfo]

So you would rather have a slower wr prospect? Criner is a Keyshawn Johnson type. Big and slow. Coale can run circles around that guy.

Perhaps.

Danny Coale had a day (two ?) to impress in rookie camp before his injury. I didn't hear anything about him.

Criner, on the other hand, has excelled everywhere. His Senior Bowl was 6-77-1 TD. Janoris Jenkins said he was the best WR he faced in Senior Bowl practices.

I don't recall Danny Coale doing good in post-season games. Was he invited to, or played in, in any post-season all-star games (?). At the same time, I don't recall Dwayne Harris doing good in post-season games last year, if he was in any.

I'm getting mad at Garrett. Garrett paraphrasing: you win with the right kind of guys. On the other hand, Parcells quote: “You lose with potential. You win with performance." Much more intelligent thought from Parcells than the steady-drumming-right-kind-of-guy from Jason. More on this later ...

I don't have any further evidence one way or the other. But I found a great YouTube of Parcells talking for nearly an hour a few months ago on his criteria for draft picks. I haven't watched it but a minute or two, but will probably be good wisdom in the main. I don't know if it makes my point or screws my point. I kind of trust Parcells, except when he hired Jeff Ireland, and/or wanted to pick Spears ahead of Ware. Well go figure. Link below:

Almost every Cowboys scout on the team now was hired around '04, '05, '06, under Parcells' watch, and Irelands' too under Parcells aegis (Except the still-young Chris Hall, and the older scout Walt Juliff, who somehow has stuck around.) Young guys now in their 30s/40s now run the draft for the Cowboys. This may be good or bad, you decide. Retirements, firings, etc. The 1993-2003 drafts principal guys, many old dudes, are gone. Lacewell, Broaddus, were let go. I think Garrett stuck around until around 2010 (?) - not sure whether he retired or was let go. That said, in my experience of names of scouts who found Larry Allen, Emmitt, Michael Irvin - I can't find one gem in the draft that Garrett's dad was responsible for (He pushed for Drew Hensen and told Jerry he had more potential than Aikman. Dear lord.) Mr. Garrett I think had a good vote on Michael Irvin, but that was in the days of the super-scouts (Gil Brandt - gone in a year. Dick Mansgerber - the king of scouting before Jerry fired him.)

I love it that Parcells' first act was to bar Larry Lacewell from Valley Ranch. He changed the locks. Dear reader, Lacewell was the guy that ran the draft between 1994-2002 or 2003. This says so much about Jerry - very kind to his staff (however they were gathered) and so unwilling to let them go when their performance sucks. Jerry is a good man, no doubt. And he promotes colleagues, sons of coaches, sons of scouts, very loyal, rehires them again in the case of Campo, Wade Wilson, you name it. A very good man.

But as fans, it doesn't do us any good. ... More on this later ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUephEq72lk

 

[TheRat]

Coale is pretty athletic

 

[perrykemp]

I hope Coale turns out to be good, however, I'm a realist. He was drafted in the 5th round which tells you there are some holes in his game or things teams didn't love about him athletically.

Having said that, a bunch of WRs drafted in the 5th round or later have done well in the NFL so he definitely has a chance to be productive.

All this constant Coale talk harkens me way back to 2011 after the Cowboys drafted Dwayne Harris in the 6th round and there were hundreds of threads where Cowboys fans expounded on he was a lock to be the #3 WR and that he was going to be great because of his height, weight, speed, big plays in college (with video to back it up).... in the end he essentially became a camp-body / practice squad type that was cut I believe at least once.

With these later round picks its a total crap shoot -- all we can do is hope that they stand out and beat the odds.