I'd rather a smart player like Coale start over an athletic guy like Ogletree

[jterrell]

What the **** is so Racist about what he said?

I'm not white...but you have to be ignorant as **** to even think or mention it.

He may not know **** about the WR's, If it's being reported the Coale is picking it up fast, than he can only assume he may just be smarter.

Why the hell are people so damn sensitive?

Yeah he's so racist with Deion in his sig...When he could have Witten, Troy, Romo, Roger, ect

Marty B is an Athletic, Lazy Piece of ****.....get over it.....Witten is not as Athletic, but he is smart and precise....

O Tree is not all the way up there game days...Romo would know, he called him stupid himself...O Tree admitted it..maybe he in't really "Stupid" but he does have mental Lapses

you are in idiot if you believe marty b is more athletic than witten.

marty b can barely walk and chew gum at the same time.

you dont put up marty b's horrendous receiving number by being a great athlete.

marty b may well have great athletic potential... but he isnt a great athlete.

he isnt agile enough to even run an out route. every route is a curl that leads to falling down.

witten is a tremendous athlete with speed, agility, hands, vision, quickness. he isn't going to the hall of fame because he is smart.....

 

[jterrell]

danny coale had a 3.3 while majoring in finance. oh ya while playing football full time and training for the nfl all the while....

to make this a race debate is absolutely ridiculous. of course he is smarter than ogletree...ogletree runs the wrong routes 25% of the time.

I'm so sick of this reverse racism bull.

to look and make the inadvertent connection that ogletree is black/dumb and coale is white/smart takes more racism than someone just pointing out the facts for what they are....otree is lazy and not the sharpest tool, coale on the other hand is hardworking..IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with race.

So the people pointing out that its racist when the poster did nothing to tie the color of their skin with their intelligence/work ethic, need to step back and take a long look at themselves...for they are subconsciously the true racists.

which would be fine if ogletree didn't ALSO have a strong academic record. a record that began BEFORE he ever played football.

and it would also be fine if Coale werent a great athlete.. but he is. he was drafted; ogletree was not. they are nearly identical athletes.

Coale appears to love football more and if there is a reason for him to succeed well beyond Ogletree therein lies the answer; not their intellect.

 

[mmillman]

Dallas seems to overlook guys like Amendola. Guys that move the chains are very valuable. A guy that is quick with good hands and smart is more valuable than a guy who runs a 4.3 with questionable hands and might not be in the right spot.

 

[Cowboys22]

Dallas seems to overlook guys like Amendola. Guys that move the chains are very valuable. A guy that is quick with good hands and smart is more valuable than a guy who runs a 4.3 with questionable hands and might not be in the right spot.

This is true of years past when they had a philosophy of looking for athletes instead of pure football players. I think Garrett has them working on a different path where productive football players with the right attitude are valued over athletes with potential but who haven't really produced anything or may have questionable character or work ethic. If Amendola and Olgetree were both rookie free agents this year, I have a feeling Amendola would be kept before Ogletree.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Hey man, I'm absolutely with you if you can prove the following:

1. Give me actual data showing that Ogletree runs the incorrect route 25% of the time.

2. Show me documentation of Ogletree's college GPA.


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well his degree is in sociology at UVA...and coale's is in finance...at VA tech.
Also, there is no statistic saying he ran the wrong routes a 1/4 of the time.
But the few times he got on the field tony romo and him weren't on the same page. Maybe tony romo was wrong, who knows?

But i do remember eaton talking about his bad work ethic and poor attitude, which surprises me for a walk on.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

The 60's called they want their stereotype back.

you had to go through my entire post and highlight one little piece with no regards to the rest...

i even made a point about people like you in it lol

 

[xwalker]

you are in idiot if you believe marty b is more athletic than witten.

marty b can barely walk and chew gum at the same time.

you dont put up marty b's horrendous receiving number by being a great athlete.

marty b may well have great athletic potential... but he isnt a great athlete.

he isnt agile enough to even run an out route. every route is a curl that leads to falling down.

witten is a tremendous athlete with speed, agility, hands, vision, quickness. he isn't going to the hall of fame because he is smart.....

Athletic generally refers to physical ability, not production or skill.

What is the difference between a great athlete and great athletic potential?

 

[jterrell]

well his degree is in sociology at UVA...and coale's is in finance...at VA tech.
Also, there is no statistic saying he ran the wrong routes a 1/4 of the time.
But the few times he got on the field tony romo and him weren't on the same page. Maybe tony romo was wrong, who knows?

But i do remember eaton talking about his bad work ethic and poor attitude, which surprises me for a walk on.

uva is a far better academic institution than va tech and both guys have degrees. both are well ahead academically of your average football player and person in general. 90% of this forum would be quite happy with a degree from uva.

not knowing routes can be an indication of learning disability or it can be an indication of lack of desire. lots of guys with below average iq's run routes excellently.

that's the issue with the thread.... all a bunch of assumptions that play on historically racist stereotypes. as in even tho ogletree has a degree from uva he is just another dumb **-am jock. the truth is he and martyb are more hipster, well-rounded guys than basic dumb jocks. basic dumb jocks love football. i dont think either of them do. if the thread had been framed as such it wouldnt raise many eyebrows.

 

[jterrell]

Athletic generally refers to physical ability, not production or skill.

What is the difference between a great athlete and great athletic potential?

development of motor skills and coordination.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

uva is a far better academic institution than va tech and both guys have degrees. both are well ahead academically of your average football player and person in general. 90% of this forum would be quite happy with a degree from uva.

not knowing routes can be an indication of learning disability or it can be an indication of lack of desire. lots of guys with below average iq's run routes excellently.

that's the issue with the thread.... all a bunch of assumptions that play on historically racist stereotypes. as in even tho ogletree has a degree from uva he is just another dumb **-am jock. the truth is he and martyb are more hipster, well-rounded guys than basic dumb jocks. basic dumb jocks love football. i dont think either of them do. if the thread had been framed as such it wouldnt raise many eyebrows.

of course UVA is a great school, but va tech is as well. and it all depends on the department you go into.

Sociology, IMO is a joke. Finance on the other hand requires quite a bit more work.

All i know is I've heard and seen enough of ogletree to make me think he either doesn't like football that much or is lazy. he may run great routes...when they are the correct ones.

 

[Vinnie2u]

uva is a far better academic institution than va tech and both guys have degrees. both are well ahead academically of your average football player and person in general. 90% of this forum would be quite happy with a degree from uva.

not knowing routes can be an indication of learning disability or it can be an indication of lack of desire. lots of guys with below average iq's run routes excellently.

that's the issue with the thread.... all a bunch of assumptions that play on historically racist stereotypes. as in even tho ogletree has a degree from uva he is just another dumb **-am jock. the truth is he and martyb are more hipster, well-rounded guys than basic dumb jocks. basic dumb jocks love football. i dont think either of them do. if the thread had been framed as such it wouldnt raise many eyebrows.

I disagree.. My son goes to Va tech for engineering because its a better program than UVA. Now for Lawyers and doctors UVA is the way to go..

 

[jterrell]

of course UVA is a great school, but va tech is as well. and it all depends on the department you go into.

Sociology, IMO is a joke. Finance on the other hand requires quite a bit more work.

All i know is I've heard and seen enough of ogletree to make me think he either doesn't like football that much or is lazy. he may run great routes...when they are the correct ones.

uva was 25 in the latest best colleges report.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968

va tech was 71.

finance is not exactly rocket science while it is much more coveted in the business world than a sociology degree.

end of the day no one should doubt either's guys intellect based on academic accomplishments.

i agree ogletree really doesnt seem to love football. he has said as much himself. yet he has still made about a million bucks from it while catching 25 passes. not a dumb thing to do at all.

i'd be fine if he gets beat out. i never have liked him all that much because i DO love football; but calling him dumb is against all available evidence and insulting to most ex-athletes. (there are plenty of band and glee nerds making C's with athletes making A's but the stereotypes remain)

 

[Frozen700]

Its all good. You got my wifey Mya in your personal sig but there's no hard feelings.

:laugh2:

Lol thats my baby....watch, once i finally hit the millions, I'm going after her! lol

 

[jterrell]

I disagree.. My son goes to Va tech for engineering because its a better program than UVA. Now for Lawyers and doctors UVA is the way to go..

overall virginia is far more coveted than VPI.
but yes degrees can matter.

va tech has an excellent engineering program by all accounts.

i was accepted into but did not attend ut's engineering program. (i couldnt play football at ut; a decision i regret as an adult)

 

[Frozen700]

you are in idiot if you believe marty b is more athletic than witten.

marty b can barely walk and chew gum at the same time.

you dont put up marty b's horrendous receiving number by being a great athlete.

marty b may well have great athletic potential... but he isnt a great athlete.

he isnt agile enough to even run an out route. every route is a curl that leads to falling down.

witten is a tremendous athlete with speed, agility, hands, vision, quickness. he isn't going to the hall of fame because he is smart.....

Never said Witten wasn't athletic at all....

But anyone with 2 eyes can see Marty B is a bit more athletically gifted than witten.

Does it make him better? hell no, because witten is fundamentally sound....and is smart in the the game. He knows how to set you up, get your hips turned, box you out with his body, ect....

 

[xwalker]

MartyB's receiving and route running often looked awkward in real games.

The weird thing is that ever year in training camp, watching him in person, he looked like a super-freak athlete.

You would see him in drills with the big boys (DL and OLB) and he either held his own or often dominated.

Later you would see him in receiving drills with TEs and WRs where he looked like a giant WR, smoothly running around in the open field and catching everything. I can't forget seeing him running seam routes where there were DBs all around and he would just stick his hand up, often 1 hand, and just pluck the ball out of the air. The coverage guys just looked powerless to defend him.

The one thing that was consistant in training camp and games was his body-language when walking back to the huddle. He looked like a little kid that just got in trouble with his Mom.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

overall virginia is far more coveted than VPI.
but yes degrees can matter.

va tech has an excellent engineering program by all accounts.

i was accepted into but did not attend ut's engineering program. (i couldnt play football at ut; a decision i regret as an adult)

you are correct. being in engineering, va tech is well known as one of the top engineering schools in the nation...

finance is harder than sociology, but im not sure by how much.

i wouldn't even make the argument that coale is a harder worker than otree,
if i didnt consistently here otree's work ethic being in question last year.

and he proved to me he didn't know the playbook all that well after last season.

 

[jterrell]

Never said Witten wasn't athletic at all....

But anyone with 2 eyes can see Marty B is a bit more athletically gifted than witten.

Does it make him better? hell no, because witten is fundamentally sound....and is smart in the the game. He knows how to set you up, get your hips turned, box you out with his body, ect....

witten weighed more (264 to 259) and was faster(4.65 to 4.68) coming out of college.

but whats clear is witten is far more agile and that marty b is no where near 249 anymore. anyone who really believes he is faster than witten is not very bright. he weighs 291 pounds right now.

having watched plenty of marty b he isn't very athletic at all. he is clearly clumsy and uncoordinated.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

uva was 25 in the latest best colleges report.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968

va tech was 71.

finance is not exactly rocket science while it is much more coveted in the business world than a sociology degree.

end of the day no one should doubt either's guys intellect based on academic accomplishments.

i agree ogletree really doesnt seem to love football. he has said as much himself. yet he has still made about a million bucks from it while catching 25 passes. not a dumb thing to do at all.

i'd be fine if he gets beat out. i never have liked him all that much because i DO love football; but calling him dumb is against all available evidence and insulting to most ex-athletes. (there are plenty of band and glee nerds making C's with athletes making A's but the stereotypes remain)

Also, there are so many world class private colleges and universities in America, that the difference between the 25th and 71st ranked university is so small it's like a frog hair split 3 ways.

 

[jterrell]

MartyB's receiving and route running often looked awkward in real games.

The weird thing is that ever year in training camp, watching him in person, he looked like a super-freak athlete.

You would see him in drills with the big boys (DL and OLB) and he either held his own or often dominated.

Later you would see him in receiving drills with TEs and WRs where he looked like a giant WR, smoothly running around in the open field and catching everything. I can't forget seeing him running seam routes where there were DBs all around and he would just stick his hand up, often 1 hand, and just pluck the ball out of the air. The coverage guys just looked powerless to defend him.

The one thing that was consistant in training camp and games was his body-language when walking back to the huddle. He looked like a little kid that just got in trouble with his Mom.

as a youth coach is see these types of athletes all the time.
it is a lack of balance and coordination.

tall kids routinely have this issue.

marty's best route by a million years is the seem because it doesnt require a cut and thus zero agility. asking him to stop and start or cut left or right is asking too much.